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JRM4833 · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 23138 Location: Red Sox Dugout

I would never "support" bin Laden. If Whitey Bulger (who is #2 on the FBI's most wanted list behind Osama) came forward and wanted to talk, would you support that murdering scumbag?

RealRepublicanArmy · Joined: 13 May 2005 Posts: 1423 Location: KalaFourKneeA

The US government does not and should never negotiate with criminals. Especially criminals that have been evading justice for 5 years now. (f***ing Bush needs to get priorities straight.)

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6953 Location: Ohio

MG1962 wrote: The problem is - neither have anything to be have a meaningful dialogue about. With PLO and IRA there were political imperitives behind the movement.

Both Osama and Al - Aqida's stated aim is the destruction of the US. SO there is not much to dailogue about really

bulls**t. Osama's pissed because of the US intervention in the middle-east, which is a perfectly valid complaint (albeit his methods of voicing them are shi**y).

Quote: I would never "support" bin Laden. If Whitey Bulger (who is #2 on the FBI's most wanted list behind Osama) came forward and wanted to talk, would you support that murdering scumbag?

that would depend. What could he do that would be worthy of us reducing the sentence?

mr.snruB · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 7136 Location: Ontario, Canada

I would, but only if it was abosolutely definite it was going to lead to peace. Other then that, there's no way

JRM4833 · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 23138 Location: Red Sox Dugout

Demonic Spoon wrote: Quote: I would never "support" bin Laden. If Whitey Bulger (who is #2 on the FBI's most wanted list behind Osama) came forward and wanted to talk, would you support that murdering scumbag?

that would depend. What could he do that would be worthy of us reducing the sentence?

The same thing Osama can do to bring back the thousands of people he murdered ... or stop terrorists from hating us ... nothing. I just can't do silly hypotheticals that have no basis whatsoever in reality I guess. Sorry.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6953 Location: Ohio

Quote:
The same thing Osama can do to bring back the thousands of people he murdered ... or stop terrorists from hating us ... nothing. I just can't do silly hypotheticals that have no basis whatsoever in reality I guess. Sorry.

Except Osama can have the attacks stopped.

Ozzone · Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject:

Demonic Spoon wrote: Quote:
The same thing Osama can do to bring back the thousands of people he murdered ... or stop terrorists from hating us ... nothing. I just can't do silly hypotheticals that have no basis whatsoever in reality I guess. Sorry.

Except Osama can have the attacks stopped.

No he can't. He has no true power over Al Qaeda anymore. It has grown beyond his direct control. If he appeared to be weak (which would happen if tried to stop all attacks), he would be assassinated by his own.

Ozzone · Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject:

Demonic Spoon wrote: Oh please. This is pathetic. Revenge is more important to you all than a resolution to the problem.

You can call it revenge all you want. We call it justice.

JRM4833 · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 23138 Location: Red Sox Dugout

Demonic Spoon wrote: Quote:
The same thing Osama can do to bring back the thousands of people he murdered ... or stop terrorists from hating us ... nothing. I just can't do silly hypotheticals that have no basis whatsoever in reality I guess. Sorry.

Except Osama can have the attacks stopped.

No he can't.

coppersink63 · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 4465 Location: Florida

Ozzone wrote: Demonic Spoon wrote: Quote:
The same thing Osama can do to bring back the thousands of people he murdered ... or stop terrorists from hating us ... nothing. I just can't do silly hypotheticals that have no basis whatsoever in reality I guess. Sorry.

Except Osama can have the attacks stopped.

No he can't. He has no true power over Al Qaeda anymore. It has grown beyond his direct control. If he appeared to be weak (which would happen if tried to stop all attacks), he would be assassinated by his own.

Wow theres some random statments with no facts behind him.

Chalk this up to wishful thinking in support of bush :lol:

JRM4833 · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 23138 Location: Red Sox Dugout

Ozzone wrote: Demonic Spoon wrote: Oh please. This is pathetic. Revenge is more important to you all than a resolution to the problem.

You can call it revenge all you want. We call it justice.

Some people don't understand the difference. Or at least don't acknowledge it.

coppersink63 · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 4465 Location: Florida

Ozzone wrote: Demonic Spoon wrote: Oh please. This is pathetic. Revenge is more important to you all than a resolution to the problem.

You can call it revenge all you want. We call it justice.

Sorry, Republicans are the LAST people who can call it justice. Justice to republicans has been invading Iraq instead of going after Osama.

You supported bush after he stated that Osama wasn't a threat and even though he flip flopped on the subject countless times and dodged direct questions to him about finding osama you still stated that Iraq is where we needed to be.

Justice IS getting Osama but if we do get him its not thanks to any Republican hard work.

coppersink63 · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 4465 Location: Florida

JRM4833 wrote: Ozzone wrote: Demonic Spoon wrote: Oh please. This is pathetic. Revenge is more important to you all than a resolution to the problem.

You can call it revenge all you want. We call it justice.

Some people don't understand the difference. Or at least don't acknowledge it.

Also you repubs must be confused,

In one breath you state that Osama has been crippled and is no threat and in the other you seem to state that its important that we kill him.

Lets pick a side of the fence to play on shall we?

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6953 Location: Ohio

Quote:
No he can't. He has no true power over Al Qaeda anymore. It has grown beyond his direct control. If he appeared to be weak (which would happen if tried to stop all attacks), he would be assassinated by his own.

Quote:
Some people don't understand the difference. Or at least don't acknowledge it.

Lets see.

Revenge: harming someone else because they did something you disliked.

Justice: harming someone else because they did something you disliked.

Please, explain this mystical difference.

Quote: No he can't. He has no true power over Al Qaeda anymore. It has grown beyond his direct control. If he appeared to be weak (which would happen if tried to stop all attacks), he would be assassinated by his own.

No. He still controls Al-Qaeda. He does not control the whole of the muslim world, no, but he controls Al-Qaeda. Either way, he still has quite a bit of influence.

StrangerWitCandy · Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 5706 Location: Fairfax, VA

Demonic Spoon wrote: Oh please. This is pathetic. Revenge is more important to you all than a resolution to the problem.

Osama is a problem. Killing him resolves it.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6953 Location: Ohio

Quote: Osama is a problem. Killing him resolves it.

Really now? The fact that his brain is still alive and blood pumps through his veins has a mystical effect on the US? Please explain how his existence harms us.

JRM4833 · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 23138 Location: Red Sox Dugout

coppersink63 wrote: Also you repubs must be confused,

In one breath you state that Osama has been crippled and is no threat and in the other you seem to state that its important that we kill him.

Lets pick a side of the fence to play on shall we?

Stop talking to some abstract, imaginary concept of Republicans you have in your head and talk to me. I'm not confused. If you want to say things like "you state" then why don't you make sure that I stated it. Or I will start running around pointing to this thread and saying that you liberals support bin Laden. Deal?

StrangerWitCandy · Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 5706 Location: Fairfax, VA

Demonic Spoon wrote: Quote: Osama is a problem. Killing him resolves it.

Really now? The fact that his brain is still alive and blood pumps through his veins has a mystical effect on the US? Please explain how his existence harms us.

Orchestrating attacks resulting in the deaths of over 3,000 Americans.

How many times do we let him attack us, and then let him go free? We're at number 2 so far.

JRM4833 · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 23138 Location: Red Sox Dugout

Demonic Spoon wrote: Quote:
No he can't. He has no true power over Al Qaeda anymore. It has grown beyond his direct control. If he appeared to be weak (which would happen if tried to stop all attacks), he would be assassinated by his own.

Quote:
Some people don't understand the difference. Or at least don't acknowledge it.

Lets see.

Revenge: harming someone else because they did something you disliked.

Justice: harming someone else because they did something you disliked.

Please, explain this mystical difference.

Are you kidding? If you want to discuss it, try looking up the words rather than making up your own silly definitions. I can't believe that someone actually admitted to not knowing the difference between justice and revenge. In short, justice is making the "victim" whole again while revenge is completely focused on punishing the "criminal."

Ozzone · Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject:

Demonic Spoon wrote: Lets see.

Revenge: harming someone else because they did something you disliked.

Justice: harming someone else because they did something you disliked.

Please, explain this mystical difference.

Actually, I'll let the dictionary explain it to you since you would never believe me.

Revenge:

to exact punishment or expiation for a wrong on behalf of, esp. in a resentful or vindictive spirit

Justice:

to cause to come before a court for trial or to receive punishment for one's misdeeds

Quote: Quote: No he can't. He has no true power over Al Qaeda anymore. It has grown beyond his direct control. If he appeared to be weak (which would happen if tried to stop all attacks), he would be assassinated by his own.

No. He still controls Al-Qaeda. He does not control the whole of the muslim world, no, but he controls Al-Qaeda. Either way, he still has quite a bit of influence.

How do you know he still controls Al Qaeda? You attend the meetings?