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[Vexillum]

Kane wrote: Target is going to drop the price of the Premium 360 the day after Thanksgiving down to just $130. Just for that day.

The guy who told you that is an idiot. Target is not going to sell a $400 small-margin toy for $130. At best, they'll toss in a free game.

[PricklySponge]

http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4976

[Kane]

Cornpotato wrote: So quick question here then. I have heard talk about the PS3 not being backwards compatible as in you would be unable to play PS1 and PS2 games on it. Would Sony actually substantiate this and release PS3 with no compatibility or is this just unsubstantiated rumor?

200 Games not working out of 8,000 isn't all that bad in my opinion. It's not a rumor...but it's highly exaggerated.

[Kane]

Vexillum wrote: Kane wrote: Target is going to drop the price of the Premium 360 the day after Thanksgiving down to just $130. Just for that day.

The guy who told you that is an idiot. Target is not going to sell a $400 small-margin toy for $130. At best, they'll toss in a free game.

With Sony's pricing, maybe Microsoft just wants that extra edge for one day? It costs $800+ to build a PS3 and they're definitely selling for less at MSRP...

I'll remain skeptical until that day comes around.

[PricklySponge]

^^ amazon will probobly do it.

[Venom]

Amazon will do it if they win by votes... it's up to members of the site now.

Quote: So quick question here then. I have heard talk about the PS3 not being backwards compatible as in you would be unable to play PS1 and PS2 games on it. Would Sony actually substantiate this and release PS3 with no compatibility or is this just unsubstantiated rumor?
As stated before apparently some 200 games don't work. Now apparently some games that do work don't have working sound. However if you really want to play your PS or PS 2 games then don't sell your PS 1/2. The PS 2 was NOT 100% backwards compatable either.

As for another Sony bit of news going around is HDMI issues with the system.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/archives/ps3-hdmi-problem-fix-new-problem.php

Quote: Like myself, other PS3 users may experience issues with the PS3 “handshaking” with their HDMI-capable TV. Although everything seemed ok while navagating the PS3 menus, upon launching a game, my TV (Panasonic Plasma TH42PX500) would lose the video signal and would not respond for a few moments. After regaining control of the TV, cycling through my TV’s video inputs and coming back to HDMI would restore the picture. The same problem was occuring with DVD movies, but not with PS1 games. To confirm it was an HDMI issue, I did some testing using component cables and everything worked fine.
The link includes a video of the problem.

[PricklySponge]

The xbox has 85% of the votes. They will do it.

[FCTE]

PricklySponge wrote: The xbox has 85% of the votes. They will do it.

I don't think so. Microsoft usually does bundles for Christmas, like they might throw in an extra controller, the WiFi adapter (which should have been built into the premium system, it is a standard feature on all other next gens, but of course they want to milk another $50 out of you for something that should be standard), and a game for the same price of $400.

Even if they did lower it to $135, good luck getting one, it would be an orgy of violence and a bloodbath waiting to happen, you better be strapped.

[Venom]

Quote: I don't think so. Microsoft usually does bundles for Christmas, like they might throw in an extra controller, the WiFi adapter (which should have been built into the premium system, it is a standard feature on all other next gens, but of course they want to milk another $50 out of you for something that should be standard), and a game for the same price of $400.

Even if they did lower it to $135, good luck getting one, it would be an orgy of violence and a bloodbath waiting to happen, you better be strapped.

Pickle is talking about the Amazon sale. Until people can physically teleported through a router or something I think people are pretty much safe from a orgy of violence or a bloodbath attempting to order one of the 1,000 units they are going to sell.

Also the WiFi adapter is not standard in all other next gen systems. The $500 PS 3 does not include this feature. On another note Wifi is not nearly as stable for gaming as going the wired route. Also the Wii is WiFi only requiring you to plop down additional cash to get the wired ethernet to your system. WiFi is slower, less reliable, and continues to get slower as you add more security. From personal experience at my girlfriends apartment her WiFi network drops at random, which is fine unless your playing a game over the internet. Now one should realize things like cell phones and even microwaves can interfere with wireless.
Now with that said yes it's a nice extra feature to have but at this point in time it's not that stable for gaming. Not to mention that majority of people still use a physical wired ethernet connection. If I were to purchase a Wii it would require myself to buy a wireless ethernet router or pay more money to be able to wire it. The same goes for all of my friends that play games.
A wired ethernet port SHOULD be standard in all systems.

[FCTE]

Venom wrote: Pickle is talking about the Amazon sale. Until people can physically teleported through a router or something I think people are pretty much safe from a orgy of violence or a bloodbath attempting to order one of the 1,000 units they are going to sell.

Kane was talking about Target dropping it to $130. Pay attention.

Quote: Also the WiFi adapter is not standard in all other next gen systems. The $500 PS 3 does not include this feature.

Does it come standard in the premium model of the PS3? Yes.

Does it come standard in the Wii? Yes.

Xbox 360 Premium? NO, and only if you A.) Pay an extra $50 and B.) waste a valuable USB port on it that could have an external hard drive or something else there, not to mention it's ugly and cheap looking hanging off of the box.

Quote: On another note Wifi is not nearly as stable for gaming as going the wired route. Also the Wii is WiFi only requiring you to plop down additional cash to get the wired ethernet to your system. WiFi is slower, less reliable, and continues to get slower as you add more security. From personal experience at my girlfriends apartment her WiFi network drops at random, which is fine unless your playing a game over the internet. Now one should realize things like cell phones and even microwaves can interfere with wireless.
Now with that said yes it's a nice extra feature to have but at this point in time it's not that stable for gaming. Not to mention that majority of people still use a physical wired ethernet connection. If I were to purchase a Wii it would require myself to buy a wireless ethernet router or pay more money to be able to wire it. The same goes for all of my friends that play games.
A wired ethernet port SHOULD be standard in all systems.

The original Xbox had a WiFi adapter that worked just fine. You'd have to buy a wireless router for any of the systems to use it so that is no strike against the Wii.

[FCTE]

Oh wait, did I say $50 for the 360 wireless adapter? It's $90.

[Venom]

Quote: Kane was talking about Target dropping it to $130. Pay attention.

Your previous post contains no quote from Kane and directly follows a quote from Pickle which is referring to the Amazon vote in which you stated: Quote: I don't think so.


Quote: Does it come standard in the premium model of the PS3? Yes.

Does it come standard in the Wii? Yes.

Xbox 360 Premium? NO, and only if you A.) Pay an extra $50 and B.) waste a valuable USB port on it that could have an external hard drive or something else there, not to mention it's ugly and cheap looking hanging off of the box.
That is true, expect the $50 price tag. However it debunks the statement:
FCTE wrote: it is a standard feature on all other next gens


Quote: The original Xbox had a WiFi adapter that worked just fine. You'd have to buy a wireless router for any of the systems to use it so that is no strike against the Wii.
It is a strike against the Wii that it does not come standard with an actual wired ethernet port, which means the majority of gamers are thus required to purchase a WiFi adapter. The PS 3 "Premium" gives you the option of WiFi or wired, they did it right.
So if the majority of gamers or rather people that even use the internet wish to use thier Wii, 360, or PS 3 wirless it will require the purchase of a wireless router.
So some people will find that the WiFi works for reasons such as web browsing, however if one wishes to play games online a lot they would want a more reliable connection, a wired router. Not to mention that WiFi becomes more complicated when using it for several connections which often requires a segmented wireless network (through the use of two routers) to maintain a high speed connection sometimes.
The advantage of WiFi is of course the lack of cables and the ease of movement. The disadvantage is less reliability, slower speeds, and of course trying to secure the connection only adds problems to the previous two listed.
WiFi is good for handheld devices and labtop computers that are mobile. Otherwise with the present choice for a immobile system such as a Wii, PS 3, or 360 the clear choice is a wired router.

Quote: Oh wait, did I say $50 for the 360 wireless adapter? It's $90.
Incorrect, the MSRP for this adpter is not $90, rather it is $99.99.

[Superfly]

I'll believe Target selling the 360 for $130 when I see it. No offense, or anything, but I have worked in retail for too long, and retail stores can't even sell them for a dollar less, without express approval from Microsoft, Sony, and the like.

When my ex worked for Worst Buy, they wouldn't even let him buy a PS2 or XBox with his employee discount, because Microsoft and Sony wouldn't let them.

I don't know about other stores, but Wal Mart is selling a bundle pack of the 360 Premium with a copy of Burnout: Revenge, and they weren't selling this bundle pack as early as a month ago.

Amazon might do this, but I would have to think that they would be doing it as a huge loss of profit to themselves. Maybe they are doing it because of the wake of places like Wal Mart who are slashing prices in electronics, to get the customers in.

If Microsoft sanctions it, I'll be shocked.

[Nathan]

The PS3 is backwards compatible, but Sony is having problems with approximately 200 titles. The 360 had similar issues.

[wolfgang]

FCTE wrote: The original Xbox had a WiFi adapter that worked just fine. You'd have to buy a wireless router for any of the systems to use it so that is no strike against the Wii.

Wireless is not as good as Wired. No if ands or buts.

1) Wireless inherently has more variables that you an not control. It is traveling over the air. It can be compromised, interefered with, intercepted, etc...

2) Wireless spec is slower than Wired ethernet to begin with.

3) A good wireless network runs encryption -- which slows it down even more.

4) Wireless is not a reliable solution. It works and often works fine, but there are too many variables. It is great for web surfing, file transfers, etc.. And for many people it works well for gaming -- those in small homes with no neighbors usually work well, etc...

Wireless is not preferred for low latency. That is why Microsoft did not include it in the 360.

Again, Wireless can work fine, but you do not see networks in major corporations being switched to wireless, etc... Many are adding wireless support, but none are just making them wireless due to performance and security concerns.

[wolfgang]

Superfly wrote: I'll believe Target selling the 360 for $130 when I see it. No offense, or anything, but I have worked in retail for too long, and retail stores can't even sell them for a dollar less, without express approval from Microsoft, Sony, and the like.

When my ex worked for Worst Buy, they wouldn't even let him buy a PS2 or XBox with his employee discount, because Microsoft and Sony wouldn't let them.

They don't give employee discounts on systems cause they don't make much money on them and if an employee got a discount, they would actually lose money.

I don't believe Target, but it will be nice.

Fact is that Amazon might be selling the Core for $100 if it wins the votes. Companies can sell these system for whatever they want (as long as they don't break dumping laws, etc...). They just don't cause they don't want to lose money.

[Superfly]

wolfgang wrote: Superfly wrote: I'll believe Target selling the 360 for $130 when I see it. No offense, or anything, but I have worked in retail for too long, and retail stores can't even sell them for a dollar less, without express approval from Microsoft, Sony, and the like.

When my ex worked for Worst Buy, they wouldn't even let him buy a PS2 or XBox with his employee discount, because Microsoft and Sony wouldn't let them.

They don't give employee discounts on systems cause they don't make much money on them and if an employee got a discount, they would actually lose money.

I don't believe Target, but it will be nice.

Fact is that Amazon might be selling the Core for $100 if it wins the votes. Companies can sell these system for whatever they want (as long as they don't break dumping laws, etc...). They just don't cause they don't want to lose money.

They're prolly mad that the 360 is winning, cuz they are going to lose alot more money than on the Barbie doll if it won.

:lol:

[Venom]

Quote: If Microsoft sanctions it, I'll be shocked.
Why in the world would Microsoft not "sanction" Amazon selling 1,000 Xbox 360 Cores for $100? Microsoft does not care if a retailer sells a Xbox 360 for a loss to the retailer. It's Amazon's choice, not Microsoft's.

Quote: they wouldn't even let him buy a PS2 or XBox with his employee discount, because Microsoft and Sony wouldn't let them.
That is up to the employer, not Sony or Microsoft. MS and Sony sells their systems to companies like Best Buy whom then sell them however they want. The only problem that these companies have with selling their items is breaking street dates. It would only help Sony or Microsoft if they sold their systems extra cheap because that has zero affect on Sony or Microsoft as those systems the stores are holding are purchased by the stores 1st and then sold for a profit for the store.


Quote: Maybe they are doing it because of the wake of places like Wal Mart who are slashing prices in electronics, to get the customers in.

I do not believe that they are slashing prices, it's just the holidays that have a lot of sales. Now there are rumors that Microsoft will feature a price drop at some point soon as Mcrosoft is profiting $75.70 per pre Premium sold evidently. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061116-8239.html

Quote: Amazon might do this, but I would have to think that they would be doing it as a huge loss of profit to themselves
Amazon apparently will do this based on the votes. They might take an initial loss for selling the system (they do not pay $299 for each Core, however I'm sure selling them at $100 is still a loss), however they are counting on people also ordering games, and acessories for the systems that would offset the losses. Also if you have good deals like this is leads to repeat customers which will result in more profit than the loss they are taking now.

Quote: I don't know about other stores, but Wal Mart is selling a bundle pack of the 360 Premium with a copy of Burnout: Revenge, and they weren't selling this bundle pack as early as a month ago.
Apparently Amazon is doing that deal as well.

[Superfly]

Venom wrote: Quote: they wouldn't even let him buy a PS2 or XBox with his employee discount, because Microsoft and Sony wouldn't let them.
That is up to the employer, not Sony or Microsoft.

Not according to the retailer. The retailer stated (and not only Worst Buy, but others as well) that Microsoft and Sony would not allow them (or any other retailer) to sell their product for less, period. Ever wonder why places like Wal Mart, who are constantly cutting prices, didn't cut the price, but stayed the same as higher-end electronics stores? Not because they wanted to.

Quote:
Quote: Maybe they are doing it because of the wake of places like Wal Mart who are slashing prices in electronics, to get the customers in.

I do not believe that they are slashing prices, it's just the holidays that have a lot of sales.

Huh?

[wolfgang]

Superfly wrote:

Not according to the retailer. The retailer stated (and not only Worst Buy, but others as well) that Microsoft and Sony would not allow them (or any other retailer) to sell their product for less, period. Ever wonder why places like Wal Mart, who are constantly cutting prices, didn't cut the price, but stayed the same as higher-end electronics stores? Not because they wanted to.

I have a feeling that is probably a line. It would get the employees to shut up pretty quickly. I worked at Gamestop for 3 years and whenever I asked -- the answer was always "well we don't even make money on system sales, so employee discounts are out of the question."

Also a lot of these bundles stem from the fact they have over-stock of a certain title and need to move it.