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Narvik
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Why do you guys always resort to Ad Hom's?
This from someone who rarely makes a post that isn't an Ad Hominem attack.
:lol:
Whether he does or does not attack people with Ad Homien attacks doesn't change the fact that you and other attack people with Ad Homien attacks. |
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mODULAR mAN
Joined: 13 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Babylon_Horuv wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: Babylon_Horuv wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: Enoch wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: I'll say it again. Every argument for god has been challenged and has proved wanting. It is up to theists to provide evidence for their claim.
"There could be a god" is not an argument, especially when virtually every counter to that "argument" shows that there can't be a god.
The bold part is what stands out to me the most. Why is it up to the religious to prove anything? I have no desire to prove to you that God exists. Don't believe? Fine, I don't care. In fact, I would venture to say that a great number of religious people feel this way. I don't recall seeing threads in here that attempt to prove God exists to the atheists. Yet, I have seen numerous threads from atheists attempting to disprove the beliefs of others. So, why are some atheists, such as yourself, so intent on "proving" their assertions by attempting to force us to prove ours?
Also, you say that there are arguments to show that there can't be a God? Fine, what are they? I'd really like to see those.
1. The burden of proof (or any evidence) is on the person who makes the extraordinary claim. Especially if you make assertions that affect society.
2. There are many arguments that disprove a god. It depends on the definiton. Provide a definition of a god and I'll show you the argument. Since there are thousands of god theories/hypothesis, I can't post them all here. Define your god hypothesis.
The claim that there is no god is the extraordinary claim. The assertion that there is no god has a strong effect on society.
Indeed, as so any policy decision should be argued by its own merits to humanity. I assume we both agree humanity exists? Perhaps we can also agree that, say, homosexuality and marriage exist, too.
So, whether or not a god exists need not even come into play.
Well, my God is in favor of homosexual marraige.
And, if you claim your God 'wants' gays to marry, you'd have to show that your god exists, that you have interpreted his feelings correctly, and then, you still have to show that your God has a point, (after all, just because he may be right, doesn't mean we have to agree!). You'd also have to show other people's god's are wrong (if their gods don't agree with your god), etc...
I simply find it easier to argue from an atheist p.o.v., since it doesn't include a mystical figure that we can't interview or cross-examine. |
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cap'n queasy
Joined: 15 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Narvik wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Why do you guys always resort to Ad Hom's?
This from someone who rarely makes a post that isn't an Ad Hominem attack.
:lol:
Whether he does or does not attack people with Ad Homien attacks doesn't change the fact that you and other attack people with Ad Homien attacks.
Welcome to the club. :P
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