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The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

JDHURF wrote: There is a stark difference between having a rational discussion as opposed to letting bigots spout prejudice and ignorance on the airwaves. Are you suggesting that the KKK should have a television spot? It would make for a more thorough and open conversation.

so they don't have the right to express themselves, no matter what it is they say?

i thought you were a huge advocate of the constitution?

mr.snruB · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 7136 Location: Ontario, Canada

Tono wrote: JDHURF wrote: Tono wrote: Anything in particular you'd like to point out? I assumed the point in "particular" would be readily obvious to everyone, apparently, I expect too much.

The fact that, in speaking with the first Muslim ever elected into congress, he asks Ellison that he is “nervous” about the interview because he “feels” that a legitimate question for Ellison would be “prove that you are not working with our enemies.” Beck “feels” this, and goes on to claim that “a lot of Americans will feel that way” because Ellison is a Muslim who – as do many Americans – opposes the war in Iraq and calls for a with-drawl of American troops.

Are you saying people in search of knowledge and understanding should just keep quiet until more Muslims are elected into Congress?

I'd call him a bigot if he accused him of working with our enemies because he's a Muslim, but he didn't do that. He asked him a silly, yet valid question. He was also respectful about it.

You don't see him asking Liebermann if he hoards money and controls the media, do you?

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

mr.snruB wrote: I don't really fault CNN in airing that...they should. Free Speech. But the fact that they cut out the thing with Maher is hypocritical to me.

And even though I think that Beck should be allowed to say it, that doesn't mean I can't think he's a moron

calling someone gay, and asking someone if they're working with the enemy because of the war policy are two different things.

notice how one was accusitory and one was a question.

Lord Hargreaves · Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 7192 Location: Herefordshire

The Comrade wrote: JDHURF wrote: http://mediamatters.org/items/200611150004

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/44387/

Glen Beck is a repulsive partisan loud mouth, this is beyond unacceptable.

"BECK: OK. No offense, and I know Muslims. I like Muslims. I've been to mosques. I really don't believe that Islam is a religion of evil. I -- you know, I think it's being hijacked, quite frankly.

"With that being said, you are a Democrat. You are saying, "Let's cut and run." And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies."

he's talking about leaving iraq as being with the enemy. not him being muslim.

Seems a lot more likely. He appears to have brought up the muslim issue only to dismiss it, since he likely realises that if he didnt praise Islam before his question the Left would call him a bigot after he posed his question. In the end he goofed up, yes, but only in poor grammar. Compare that to John Kerry's "get stuck in iraq joke", which was such a **** up that he actually changed the meaning of his words to something completely different from what he intended.

Dookiestix · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:23 pm Post subject:

mr.snruB wrote: I don't really fault CNN in airing that...they should. Free Speech. But the fact that they cut out the thing with Maher is hypocritical to me.

And even though I think that Beck should be allowed to say it, that doesn't mean I can't think he's a moron
Beck is most certainly a moron. And he can also say what he says because of that thing we love to call free speech.

And yeah, what they did in editing the Bill Maher segment smacks of hypocrisy in this matter. But isn't it interesting that the very next day, Ken Mehlman stepped down. How much you wanna bet somebody at Karl Rove central got to CNN and told them to edit that portion out of Larry King's interview for the repeated telecast?

Falconer · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject:

eh...

Beck doesn't really have a filter between his brain and his mouth. So those ingrained muslim prejudices usually come out in silly ways like this.

JDHURF · Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 4044 Location: Tulsa, OK

The Comrade wrote:
so they don't have the right to express themselves, no matter what it is they say?
i thought you were a huge advocate of the constitution? Don’t be silly. A group expressing themselves is different than a news network whose job it is to disseminate intelligible information acting as a megaphone for idiocy and what could easily be called bigotry as well.

Tono · Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 11742 Location: Mounted

Dookiestix wrote: How is asking an American Muslim if he's working with our enemies a valid question, because anyone with half a brain new damn well Beck was specifically referring to those brown skinned terrorists?

Don't you mean African American?

Falconer · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Glen Beck, bigotry?

Lord Hargreaves wrote: Compare that to John Kerry's "get stuck in iraq joke", which was such a **** up that he actually changed the meaning of his words to something completely different from what he intended.

O yeah That was really bad. :lol:

mr.snruB · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 7136 Location: Ontario, Canada

The Comrade wrote: mr.snruB wrote: I don't really fault CNN in airing that...they should. Free Speech. But the fact that they cut out the thing with Maher is hypocritical to me.

And even though I think that Beck should be allowed to say it, that doesn't mean I can't think he's a moron

calling someone gay, and asking someone if they're working with the enemy because of the war policy are two different things.

notice how one was accusitory and one was a question.

Hmmmm.....Glenns talking to a Muslim man (if you've ever seen his show before you know his thoughts on these people), and the man wants the US out of Iraq. "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies" in this case equals "Prove to me that you're not a muslim who's infiltrated our system who's working for the terrorists"

Tono · Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 11742 Location: Mounted

Dookiestix wrote: And yeah, what they did in editing the Bill Maher segment smacks of hypocrisy in this matter.

Yeah. Considering "gay" has been used as an insult by liberals of late. CNN was protecting their own.

Hypocrisy indeed.

Falconer · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Glen Beck, bigotry?

JDHURF wrote: The Comrade wrote:
so they don't have the right to express themselves, no matter what it is they say?
i thought you were a huge advocate of the constitution? Don’t be silly. A group expressing themselves is different than a news network whose job it is to disseminate intelligible information acting as a megaphone for idiocy and what could easily be called bigotry as well.

It's not a news show though. It's an opinion show.

All major news networks are split 50-50 between news and opinion nowdays, but I think it's leaning more to opinion now...and I don't like that ratio to be honest.

Dookiestix · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject:

Tono wrote: Dookiestix wrote: How is asking an American Muslim if he's working with our enemies a valid question, because anyone with half a brain new damn well Beck was specifically referring to those brown skinned terrorists?

Don't you mean African American?
Not in Glenn Beck's bigoted world.

mr.snruB · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 7136 Location: Ontario, Canada

Tono wrote: Dookiestix wrote: And yeah, what they did in editing the Bill Maher segment smacks of hypocrisy in this matter.

Yeah. Considering "gay" has been used as an insult by liberals of late. CNN was protecting their own.

Hypocrisy indeed.

How so?

Tono · Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 11742 Location: Mounted

Dookiestix wrote: Tono wrote: Dookiestix wrote: How is asking an American Muslim if he's working with our enemies a valid question, because anyone with half a brain new damn well Beck was specifically referring to those brown skinned terrorists?

Don't you mean African American?
Not in Glenn Beck's bigoted world.

Nice dodge. Did you even know he's Black?

Dookiestix · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:35 pm Post subject:

Here's some more from the best of Glen Beck's Bigoted World:

Quote: Beck characterized letter criticizing Al Qaeda as "surprising," because "the man who wrote it is a Muslim"

On November 15, during his one-hour CNN Headline News special titled "Exposed: The Extremist Agenda," Glenn Beck described as "surprising" a letter by Islamic Society of Nevada director Aslam Abdullah criticizing Al Qaeda in Iraq. The reason it is surprising, according to Beck? Because "the man who wrote it is a Muslim." Abdullah criticized Al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Hamza al-Muhajer for "abandon[ing] God" and accused the leaders of Al Qaeda of "hid[ing] in your caves and behind the faces of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq." Beck began the program "by airing some unbelievable propaganda used by extremists," and he pledged to devote the hour to those who "use religion to justify their hatred."

Beck's characterization of Abdullah's remarks as "surprising" because he "is a Muslim" echoed his comments on November 14. During an interview that day with Rep.-elect Keith Ellison (D-MN), who became the first Muslim ever elected to Congress on November 7, Beck said: "I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' " As Media Matters for America has noted, Beck previously warned that if "Muslims and Arabs" don't "act now" by "step[ping] to the plate" to condemn terrorism, they "will be looking through a razor wire fence at the West." He has also declared that "Muslims who have sat on your frickin' hands the whole time" rather than "lining up to shoot the bad Muslims in the head" will face dire consequences.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200611160005

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

JDHURF wrote: Don’t be silly. A group expressing themselves is different than a news network whose job it is to disseminate intelligible information acting as a megaphone for idiocy and what could easily be called bigotry as well.

but it wasn't bigotry, it was a question asked about the war in iraq.

and you asked if the KKK should have their own channel. so i asked you if you think they shouldn't be allowed to express themselves. apparently you only have free speech when you agree with it, eh?

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

mr.snruB wrote:

Hmmmm.....Glenns talking to a Muslim man (if you've ever seen his show before you know his thoughts on these people), and the man wants the US out of Iraq. "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies" in this case equals "Prove to me that you're not a muslim who's infiltrated our system who's working for the terrorists"

i've seen his show and i hate it and him.

and you're thinking something that isn't the case. notice how before he asked it he said he has nothing against muslims or the religion. then he asked a question about iraq based on the congressmans scall for cut and run.

he did not say the man was working with the enemy because he was a muslim, nor did he imply it. he also did not accuse the man, he asked him a question.

mr.snruB · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 7136 Location: Ontario, Canada

We had to watch some of that Glenn Beck terrorism extravaganza from last night in class for an assignment today, and one of the girls in our class speaks fluent arabic. Anyways, a lot throughout the special she was pointing out mistranslations from those "exclusive" propaganda videos from the mideast. Many a times it was shocking how different the meaning of the things were when the words were different.

mr.snruB · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 7136 Location: Ontario, Canada

The Comrade wrote:

and you're thinking something that isn't the case. notice how before he asked it he said he has nothing against muslims or the religion. then he asked a question about iraq based on the congressmans scall for cut and run.

I'm going to have to say that I think that whole thing he was saying was a giant load. It's kind of like when people say something like "I don't hate gays....that being said I find them and their lifestyles repulsive and sickening. But I don't hate them...really!"