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[The Comrade]

The Grandmaster wrote:
The peice of s**t pigs could have merely picked him up and taken him out. But the piece of s**t pigs, in order to feel good about themselves, then went on to taze him. It makes no sense. They could have simply taken him out, like normal cops. A normal kid in cuffs is about as much of a threat to 4 armed cops as a flower is. It is even possible he couldn't get up immediately, after having been tazed. No, this is just a perfect case of a few pigs who themselves need executed in my opinion.

quite harsh language grandmaster. and executions? do be civilized.


and did you not notice them trying to lift him? he wouldn't let them.

[The Grandmaster]

The Comrade wrote: The Grandmaster wrote:
So are yelling and attacking. :wink:

he started yelling at the cop to "get the f**k off him" i assume he was resisting his arm being grabbed?

That's right, you assumed. "Get the f**k off me" can mean just leave me alone.

The Comrade wrote: The Grandmaster wrote: ]
Not going to answer huh?
Nursing a weak premise perhaps?

i was just going to skip a step and let you put in your tw ocents about cops murdering people for petty theft or some nonsense.

the floor is yours.

Nonsense? So...so by your own admission there is a line that can't, or shouldn't (Less it be nonsense) be crossed? But....why not shoot someone in the head for resisting arrest, or yelling at a cop? Surely you're not saying there is a line that...that can't be crossed are you. :shock:

Duhnt dunt duuuhhhhnnnn......*music* Oh noes!

[The Comrade]

The Grandmaster wrote:

That's right, you assumed. "Get the f**k off me" can mean just leave me alone.

how many times have you seen someone say "get the f**k off me" and except it?

The Grandmaster wrote:
Nonsense? So...so by your own admission there is a line that can be crossed?But....why not shoot someone in the head for resisting arrest, or yelling at a cop? Surely you're not saying there is a line that...that can't be crossed are you. :shock:

Duhnt dunt duuuhhhhnnnn......*music*

why not nuke your house for a termite problem?


"BUT WHERE DOES THE LINE END!!!!111ELEVENTYONE"

followed up with a reference to shooting someone is a very poor example.

[The Grandmaster]

The Comrade wrote: The Grandmaster wrote:
The peice of s**t pigs could have merely picked him up and taken him out. But the piece of s**t pigs, in order to feel good about themselves, then went on to taze him. It makes no sense. They could have simply taken him out, like normal cops. A normal kid in cuffs is about as much of a threat to 4 armed cops as a flower is. It is even possible he couldn't get up immediately, after having been tazed. No, this is just a perfect case of a few pigs who themselves need executed in my opinion.

quite harsh language grandmaster. and executions? do be civilized.

I get angry easily sometimes. The Grandmaster tries to be patient...but in reality, he has a short fuse.

The Comrade wrote: [and did you not notice them trying to lift him? he wouldn't let them.

No, I didn't notice that. I couldn't finish the video, as I already came very close to putting my first through the LCD monitor anyway.

But what I did see, they were not attempting to lift him, they were just telling at him and acting like pompus ****. And 4 big cops like that can't lift one kid. My ass. They could lift him. They chose not to so they could play John Wayne and act all powerful.

[The Comrade]

The Grandmaster wrote:
No, I didn't notice that. I couldn't finish the video, as I already came very close to putting my first through the LCD monitor anyway.

But what I did see, they were not attempting to lift him, they were just telling at him and acting like pompus ****. And 4 big cops like that can't lift one kid. My ass. They could lift him. They chose not to so they could play John Wayne and act all powerful.

they had their arms around his trying to pull him up while he was rolling around spouting bulls**t about the patriot act.


it's hard to pick up anyone when they don't want to be picked up. it's especially hard when they're flailing around like a fish out of water and using every alst ounce of strength to resist you.

[The Grandmaster]

The Comrade wrote: The Grandmaster wrote:

That's right, you assumed. "Get the f**k off me" can mean just leave me alone.

how many times have you seen someone say "get the f**k off me" and except it?

The Grandmaster wrote:
Nonsense? So...so by your own admission there is a line that can be crossed?But....why not shoot someone in the head for resisting arrest, or yelling at a cop? Surely you're not saying there is a line that...that can't be crossed are you. :shock:

Duhnt dunt duuuhhhhnnnn......*music*

why not nuke your house for a termite problem?

Good question? Why not. That's basically what was done here.

The Comrade wrote: ["BUT WHERE DOES THE LINE END!!!!111ELEVENTYONE"

followed up with a reference to shooting someone is a very poor example.

Another demonstration of overuse of force, much like this one.

[The Comrade]

The Grandmaster wrote:
Good question? Why not. That's basically what was done here.

no, not really. the slaughter of millions was not done here.

and you did not answer my question. how often do you see someone yell "Get the f**k off me" and just accept that they've been grabbed?

[The Grandmaster]

The Comrade wrote: The Grandmaster wrote:
No, I didn't notice that. I couldn't finish the video, as I already came very close to putting my first through the LCD monitor anyway.

But what I did see, they were not attempting to lift him, they were just telling at him and acting like pompus ****. And 4 big cops like that can't lift one kid. My ass. They could lift him. They chose not to so they could play John Wayne and act all powerful.

they had their arms around his trying to pull him up while he was rolling around spouting bulls**t about the patriot act.

When he was talking about the Patriot Act, all you could see what students feet.

The Comrade wrote: it's hard to pick up anyone when they don't want to be picked up. it's especially hard when they're flailing around like a fish out of water and using every alst ounce of strength to resist you.

No it isn't. I've seen two bouncers, no larger than two of those cops pick up people who weren't cuffed and carry them with ease out of a bar. No reason these supposedly trained cops, of whom there were more of, could not also do the same thing.

[The Comrade]

The Grandmaster wrote:

When he was talking about the Patriot Act, all you could see what students feet.

when he was on the ground you could see him rolling around screaming.
what he was spouting is irrelevent to his actions anyways.


The Grandmaster wrote: No it isn't. I've seen two bouncers, no larger than two of those cops pick up people who weren't cuffed and carry them with ease out of a bar. No reason these supposedly trained cops, of whom there were more of, could not also do the same thing.

did the person resist?

where they rolling around on the floor kicking like little girls?

[The Grandmaster]

The Comrade wrote: The Grandmaster wrote:
Good question? Why not. That's basically what was done here.

no, not really. the slaughter of millions was not done here.

Overuse of force. The fundamental idea is quite the same.

The Comrade wrote: [and you did not answer my question. how often do you see someone yell "Get the f**k off me" and just accept that they've been grabbed?

I did not answer your question? Why, do me the good turn and answer mine first why don't you?

Is there a line?

To answer your questions, I've never seen anyone tell another person "get the f**k off me." I've simply never encountered that scenerio.

Your turn to answer me now. :wink:

[The Grandmaster]

The Comrade wrote: The Grandmaster wrote:

When he was talking about the Patriot Act, all you could see what students feet.

when he was on the ground you could see him rolling around screaming.
what he was spouting is irrelevent to his actions anyways.

Oh, he was rolling and screaming? So did you or did you not see them try to bodily remove him?

The Comrade wrote: The Grandmaster wrote: ]No it isn't. I've seen two bouncers, no larger than two of those cops pick up people who weren't cuffed and carry them with ease out of a bar. No reason these supposedly trained cops, of whom there were more of, could not also do the same thing.

did the person resist?

where they rolling around on the floor kicking like little girls?

Well f**k yeah he resisted! He was humilated, drunk, and pissed. A headlock on one side and a leglock on the other fixed that up real good. And he wasn't even cuffed. Cox's pub not far down the road from here.

[The Comrade]

The Grandmaster wrote:
Overuse of force. The fundamental idea is quite the same.

nuclear weapons and tasers on two different scales.

does blue match red too?


The Grandmaster wrote: I did not answer your question? Why, do me the good turn and answer mine first why don't you?

Is there a line?

you seemed to answer it for me.
your answer was i do find there is a line.



The Grandmaster wrote: To answer your questions, I've never seen anyone tell another person "get the f**k off me." I've simply never encountered that scenerio.

Your turn to answer me now. :wink:

okay. well, since i currently go to a highschool filled with egotards, the "get the f**k off me" is used quite frequently. about three or four times a week. i have yet to see one of those egotards not try and resist and/or push the person who's grabbing them.

[wyldejackyl]

You're only in high school? Haha, wait til you get to college. Things will get a lot more interesting regarding run-ins with the cops.

[The Grandmaster]

The Comrade wrote: The Grandmaster wrote:
Overuse of force. The fundamental idea is quite the same.

nuclear weapons and tasers on two different scales.

does blue match red too?

Thank you. So are carrying someone out and electrocuting them. :lol:

The Comrade wrote: The Grandmaster wrote: I did not answer your question? Why, do me the good turn and answer mine first why don't you?

Is there a line?

you seemed to answer it for me.
your answer was i do find there is a line.

That's all I wanted.

We can both agree that there is a line that should not be crossed for, believe it or not, the safety of the suspect. Now it is a matter of whose arbitrary line is more justifiable in terms of contemporary police work. Since we know there are millions of arrests, and both of us have been witness to many of them(or at least, I assume you have, if not, then I assure you I have), and in the overwhelming majority of cases in these arrests, when a suspect is becoming unruly, he is restrained physically and taken out bodily, we can assume this is the common, accepted, and safe way for police to apprehend them. We also know this is effective. Since it is accepted, effective, relatively safe, and socially accepted by the overwhelming majority of the populous for an unruly suspect, (And you seem to say what the majority of people what is how things should be), we know that the excessive force of the taser, since it was not needed, is not as justifiable of an arbitrary line as mine is. This is what I’ve been telling you all along.

The Comrade wrote: The Grandmaster wrote: To answer your questions, I've never seen anyone tell another person "get the f**k off me." I've simply never encountered that scenerio.

Your turn to answer me now. :wink:

okay. well, since i currently go to a highschool filled with egotards, the "get the f**k off me" is used quite frequently. about three or four times a week. i have yet to see one of those egotards not try and resist and/or push the person who's grabbing them.

That wasn't the question I was talking about. You've alread given me what I want. You've admitted their is a line.

[The Comrade]

The Grandmaster wrote:

That's all I wanted.

We can both agree that there is a line that should not be crossed for, believe it or not, the safety of the suspect. Now it is a matter of whose arbitrary line is more justifiable in terms of contemporary police work. Since we know there are millions of arrests, and both of us have been witness to many of them(or at least, I assume you have, if not, then I assure you I have), and in the overwhelming majority of cases in these arrests, when a suspect is becoming unruly, he is restrained physically and taken out bodily, we can assume this is the common, accepted, and safe way for police to apprehend them. We also know this is effective. Since it is accepted, effective, relatively safe, and socially accepted by the overwhelming majority of the populous for an unruly suspect, (And you seem to say what the majority of people what is how things should be), we know that the excessive force of the taser, since it was not needed, is not as justifiable of an arbitrary line as mine is. This is what I’ve been telling you all along.

he was combative. use of a taser is justified(sicne it's use is to stop combative people).

[The Comrade]

wyldejackyl wrote: You're only in high school? Haha, wait til you get to college. Things will get a lot more interesting regarding run-ins with the cops.

i don't plan on being a habitual line stepper and getting myself into situations involving the police. nor will i be running my mouth to show how big my balls are.

[The Grandmaster]

The Comrade wrote: The Grandmaster wrote:

That's all I wanted.

We can both agree that there is a line that should not be crossed for, believe it or not, the safety of the suspect. Now it is a matter of whose arbitrary line is more justifiable in terms of contemporary police work. Since we know there are millions of arrests, and both of us have been witness to many of them(or at least, I assume you have, if not, then I assure you I have), and in the overwhelming majority of cases in these arrests, when a suspect is becoming unruly, he is restrained physically and taken out bodily, we can assume this is the common, accepted, and safe way for police to apprehend them. We also know this is effective. Since it is accepted, effective, relatively safe, and socially accepted by the overwhelming majority of the populous for an unruly suspect, (And you seem to say what the majority of people what is how things should be), we know that the excessive force of the taser, since it was not needed, is not as justifiable of an arbitrary line as mine is. This is what I’ve been telling you all along.

he was combative. use of a taser is justified(sicne it's use is to stop combative people).

Combative is too ambiguous here. This can mean anything from yelling, to attacking with a gun. It is the degree of "combativeness" that is important. He was no more compative than any other situation where cops cuff, and carry or walk a suspect out and into the car.

To simply put every possible form of resistance under the banner of compative is as misleading as putting every form of infraction under the banner "crime."

The Comrade wrote: wyldejackyl wrote: You're only in high school? Haha, wait til you get to college. Things will get a lot more interesting regarding run-ins with the cops.

i don't plan on being a habitual line stepper and getting myself into situations involving the police. nor will i be running my mouth to show how big my balls are.

Or tazering peole to show how big your balls are? :lol:

[The Comrade]

The Grandmaster wrote:

Combative is too ambiguous here. This can mean anything from yelling, to attacking with a gun. It is the degree of "combativeness" that is important. He was no more compative than any other situation where cops cuff, and carry or walk a suspect out and into the car.

To simply put every possible form of resistance under the banner of compative is as misleading as putting every form of infraction under the banner "crime."

resisting arrest in a verbally and pseudo-physical way is combative.

people who riot are the same way, are you against using tear gas on them?

The Grandmaster wrote: Or tazering peole to show how big your balls are? :lol:

you know how big my bal... nevermind....

akward....

[JoeBen81]

This thread still alive?? Is there still someone out there that doesn't think that both parties are guilty of being out of bounds?

[JDHURF]

Oh that video was repulsive. No one in their right mind can argue that the police were in the right for tasering a handcuffed student, that is outrageous. Police handcuff individuals everyday and lift them to their feet with their own man-power, to taser a handcuffed student because they are not getting up off of the floor, that the police put them down on, is a repuslive and egregious breech of power. Anyone who is arguing the contrary is pathalogical.