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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106taser.htm

Quote: LOS ANGELES -- A cell phone captured video of a 23-year-old student being administered multiple Taser shocks by UCLA police on Tuesday.

The UCLA student was hit with the Taser shocks multiple times while he was in the Powell Library Computer Lab.

Another student recorded the incident on a camera phone. On the video, Mostafa Tabatabainejad can be heard screaming during the incident, which took place at about 11:30 p.m., the Daily Bruin reported.

According to the paper, Tabatabainejad did not show ID to community service officers who were conducting a random check. UCLA police said Tabatabainejad was released by police after he was cited for obstruction/delay of a peace officer in the performance of duty.

The Daily Bruin reported that Tabatabainejad complained when an officer was escorting him from the lab and put his hand on one of Tabatabainejad's arms. He allegedly yelled, "Get off of me," according to the paper. He was then shot with the Taser, reported the paper.

The Daily Bruin reported that after he was hit, Tabatabainejad yelled, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your f---ing abuse of power."

Police said they thought Tabatabainejad was not harmed in the incident.

"If he was able to walk out of here, I think he was OK," the sergeant said

Now I understand the kid wasn't being as cooperative, but shooting him with a taser just because he's yelling wasn't necessary at all. So much for "protecting and serving" :roll:

Quote: Police said they thought Tabatabainejad was not harmed in the incident.

Being shocked by a taser, following by screaming doesn't fit into the category or "not being harmed."

Marzelvane · Joined: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 93

this is just a glimpse of the future.... it is going to get a lot worse. the power the government now has is already too big, too strong. i suggest that when the Federal ID cards with RFID chips are required that anybody who wants real freedom and the right to walk down a street without getting tasered move to another country. I'm not sure where I will go. Probably Canada, but maybe Australia.

Kilo Tango · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 7994 Location: D.C.

People are idiots. If you don't cooperate with cops and you antgonize them, you get jacked up.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11438 Location: Zagreb

two things that you don't do with police:

A)act like a smart ass
B)act like you're superior

if you don't either of those(like this f**k nut did) you don't get in trouble.

micfranklin · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: two things that you don't do with police:

A)act like a smart ass
B)act like you're superior

if you don't either of those(like this f**k nut did) you don't get in trouble.

True. But being tasered wasn't necessary.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11438 Location: Zagreb

micfranklin wrote:

True. But being tasered wasn't necessary.

we went over this before mic. try and keep up again.

cop tells you something. you can;

A) cooperate
B) be an obstinate dick

for this story we're using choice B

the police tell you to cooperate. you can;

A) say you're sorry, and get off with a warning
B) become combative/ "freak out"

you choose choice B

the cop then realizes that this kid is off his rocker, and could be armed. the kid did not identify himself, nor did he show an ID. the police now have no idea who this person is. what they do see is someone "freaking out".

as a cop you can;

A) walk away and lose your job
B) physically restrain him. possibly risking the life of you and your partner
C) neutralize him with a non-lethal tool from a distance

as a cop, you are taught that the correct answer and the safest answer(for you and the suspect) is to neutralize him from a distance. so you choose choice C.

micfranklin · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: micfranklin wrote:

True. But being tasered wasn't necessary.

we went over this before mic. try and keep up again.

cop tells you something. you can;

A) cooperate
B) be an obstinate dick

for this story we're using choice B

the police tell you to cooperate. you can;

A) say you're sorry, and get off with a warning
B) become combative/ "freak out"

you choose choice B

the cop then realizes that this kid is off his rocker, and could be armed. the kid did not identify himself, nor did he show an ID. the police now have no idea who this person is. what they do see is someone "freaking out".

as a cop you can;

A) walk away and lose your job
B) physically restrain him. possibly risking the life of you and your partner
C) neutralize him with a non-lethal tool from a distance

as a cop, you are taught that the correct answer and the safest answer(for you and the suspect) is to neutralize him from a distance. so you choose choice C.

I wouldn't necessarily consider a taser a "non-lethal" tool.

Marzelvane · Joined: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 93

The Comrade wrote: two things that you don't do with police:

A)act like a smart ass
B)act like you're superior

if you don't either of those(like this f**k nut did) you don't get in trouble.

Well in this particular case it doesn't say anything about him acting like a smart ass or superior until after a CSO grabbed his arm. A community service officer (CSO) is usually a student/wannabe cop douche bag.

And I definately agree with you on your "two things that you don't do with police." However, we still do have rights. And under many circumstances you have the right to NOT show your ID.

Not sure if you've seen this video, but its kind of cool: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3435730304776119545&q=police+encounter+rights

I don't know how old that video is, but it goes through scenarios of police encounters and how you should exercise your rights. It is interesting... although I am not sure how old it is and how many rights we have lost since the video was made.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 14747 Location: Florida

Marzelvane wrote: The Comrade wrote: two things that you don't do with police:

A)act like a smart ass
B)act like you're superior

if you don't either of those(like this f**k nut did) you don't get in trouble.

Well in this particular case it doesn't say anything about him acting like a smart ass or superior until after a CSO grabbed his arm. A community service officer (CSO) is usually a student/wannabe cop douche bag.

And I definately agree with you on your "two things that you don't do with police." However, we still do have rights. And under many circumstances you have the right to NOT show your ID.

Not sure if you've seen this video, but its kind of cool: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3435730304776119545&q=police+encounter+rights

I don't know how old that video is, but it goes through scenarios of police encounters and how you should exercise your rights. It is interesting... although I am not sure how old it is and how many rights we have lost since the video was made.

This was not a case of somebody out in public. This was a person on a college campus, where it is reasonable to restrict someone who does not have a college ID. This particular library allowed the public to stay in the library until 11 pm. At that time, it was only open to students. The tasered idiot either was not a student, or for some stupid reason didn't want to prove he was a student. He deserved what he got.

Marzelvane · Joined: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 93

The Comrade wrote: micfranklin wrote:

True. But being tasered wasn't necessary.

we went over this before mic. try and keep up again.

cop tells you something. you can;

A) cooperate
B) be an obstinate dick

for this story we're using choice B

the police tell you to cooperate. you can;

A) say you're sorry, and get off with a warning
B) become combative/ "freak out"

you choose choice B

the cop then realizes that this kid is off his rocker, and could be armed. the kid did not identify himself, nor did he show an ID. the police now have no idea who this person is. what they do see is someone "freaking out".

as a cop you can;

A) walk away and lose your job
B) physically restrain him. possibly risking the life of you and your partner
C) neutralize him with a non-lethal tool from a distance

as a cop, you are taught that the correct answer and the safest answer(for you and the suspect) is to neutralize him from a distance. so you choose choice C.

In America you don't have to cooperate with the police in every situation. We have rights here. When a cop asks to search my car, I say NO. Not because I have something to hide, but because I know he's going to f**k up my car digging around in it.

I know its different where you live in Russia.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 14747 Location: Florida

Marzelvane wrote: The Comrade wrote: micfranklin wrote:

True. But being tasered wasn't necessary.

we went over this before mic. try and keep up again.

cop tells you something. you can;

A) cooperate
B) be an obstinate dick

for this story we're using choice B

the police tell you to cooperate. you can;

A) say you're sorry, and get off with a warning
B) become combative/ "freak out"

you choose choice B

the cop then realizes that this kid is off his rocker, and could be armed. the kid did not identify himself, nor did he show an ID. the police now have no idea who this person is. what they do see is someone "freaking out".

as a cop you can;

A) walk away and lose your job
B) physically restrain him. possibly risking the life of you and your partner
C) neutralize him with a non-lethal tool from a distance

as a cop, you are taught that the correct answer and the safest answer(for you and the suspect) is to neutralize him from a distance. so you choose choice C.

In America you don't have to cooperate with the police in every situation. We have rights here. When a cop asks to search my car, I say NO. Not because I have something to hide, but because I know he's going to f**k up my car digging around in it.

I know its different where you live in Russia.

This was not in public, but on a restricted university campus.

Marzelvane · Joined: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 93

perdidochas wrote: Marzelvane wrote: The Comrade wrote: two things that you don't do with police:

A)act like a smart ass
B)act like you're superior

if you don't either of those(like this f**k nut did) you don't get in trouble.

Well in this particular case it doesn't say anything about him acting like a smart ass or superior until after a CSO grabbed his arm. A community service officer (CSO) is usually a student/wannabe cop douche bag.

And I definately agree with you on your "two things that you don't do with police." However, we still do have rights. And under many circumstances you have the right to NOT show your ID.

Not sure if you've seen this video, but its kind of cool: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3435730304776119545&q=police+encounter+rights

I don't know how old that video is, but it goes through scenarios of police encounters and how you should exercise your rights. It is interesting... although I am not sure how old it is and how many rights we have lost since the video was made.

This was not a case of somebody out in public. This was a person on a college campus, where it is reasonable to restrict someone who does not have a college ID. This particular library allowed the public to stay in the library until 11 pm. At that time, it was only open to students. The tasered idiot either was not a student, or for some stupid reason didn't want to prove he was a student. He deserved what he got.

Ok, point taken. You are right, college campus after hours could be considered trespassing or something probably.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11438 Location: Zagreb

micfranklin wrote:

I wouldn't necessarily consider a taser a "non-lethal" tool.

it isn't lethal.

mic you honestly make laugh incredibly hard when you say such ass backwards statements like that.

oh, i;m well aware of cases where people have died. but those were from factors combined with the taser, not the taser itself.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11438 Location: Zagreb

Marzelvane wrote:

Well in this particular case it doesn't say anything about him acting like a smart ass or superior until after a CSO grabbed his arm. A community service officer (CSO) is usually a student/wannabe cop douche bag.

And I definately agree with you on your "two things that you don't do with police." However, we still do have rights. And under many circumstances you have the right to NOT show your ID.

Not sure if you've seen this video, but its kind of cool: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3435730304776119545&q=police+encounter+rights

I don't know how old that video is, but it goes through scenarios of police encounters and how you should exercise your rights. It is interesting... although I am not sure how old it is and how many rights we have lost since the video was made.

no, you don't have the right to not show your ID. just like you don't have the right to not get your bags checked at an airport.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11438 Location: Zagreb

Marzelvane wrote:

In America you don't have to cooperate with the police in every situation. We have rights here. When a cop asks to search my car, I say NO. Not because I have something to hide, but because I know he's going to f**k up my car digging around in it.

I know its different where you live in Russia.

you don't have that right. it was challenged in the supreme court and was considered perfectly legal.

A) yugoslavia is not russia.
B) i live in america.

micfranklin · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: micfranklin wrote:

I wouldn't necessarily consider a taser a "non-lethal" tool.

it isn't lethal.

mic you honestly make laugh incredibly hard when you say such ass backwards statements like that.

oh, i;m well aware of cases where people have died. but those were from factors combined with the taser, not the taser itself.

Really? You mean people haven't been tasered to death from being over-tasered?

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11438 Location: Zagreb

micfranklin wrote:
Really? You mean people haven't been tasered to death from being over-tasered?

mic i could kill you with a spoon if i want to. would you consider spoons lethal?

tasers are designed to be non-lethal. if you use them incorrectly you can hurt someone. oh wow, just like if you incorrectly use anything you can hurt someone. funny that.

would you rather this was the 30s or 40s and beat him wit ha night stick or shot him in the leg?

micfranklin · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: micfranklin wrote:
Really? You mean people haven't been tasered to death from being over-tasered?

mic i could kill you with a spoon if i want to. would you consider spoons lethal?

tasers are designed to be non-lethal. if you use them incorrectly you can hurt someone. oh wow, just like if you incorrectly use anything you can hurt someone. funny that.

would you rather this was the 30s or 40s and beat him wit ha night stick or shot him in the leg?

Spoons do not use electricity to subdue people. I thought you'd know that...

Marzelvane · Joined: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 93

The Comrade wrote: Marzelvane wrote:

Well in this particular case it doesn't say anything about him acting like a smart ass or superior until after a CSO grabbed his arm. A community service officer (CSO) is usually a student/wannabe cop douche bag.

And I definately agree with you on your "two things that you don't do with police." However, we still do have rights. And under many circumstances you have the right to NOT show your ID.

Not sure if you've seen this video, but its kind of cool: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3435730304776119545&q=police+encounter+rights

I don't know how old that video is, but it goes through scenarios of police encounters and how you should exercise your rights. It is interesting... although I am not sure how old it is and how many rights we have lost since the video was made.

no, you don't have the right to not show your ID. just like you don't have the right to not get your bags checked at an airport.

In the case of this thread, you are right, the guy needed to show ID. However, if I am walking down my street on public property and a cop drives up, has no reason to believe I am guilty of a crime, and asks for ID I do not need to show my ID.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11438 Location: Zagreb

micfranklin wrote:

Spoons do not use electricity to subdue people. I thought you'd know that...

your brain uses electricity to send signals. is your brain lethal? can i kill you with it?

and answer the question. would you rather he was beaten into submission?