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[Klondikekat]

You mean politicans who don't even have a semblance of corruption about them exist? Well, they probably do, they just never win

[homerjay_s]

blockhead wrote: Seems odd that Abramoff would wait til the day before he goes to prison to "implicate" democrats. After they won the election.

I'm not concerned with the timing of this revelation, I'm more concerned with the potential for ranking Democrats to get cold feet about investigating themselves along with the Republicans.

We NEED to know what our government is doing. If the legislature doesn't follow it's Constitutionally required checks and balances on the other branches and it's required self regulatory powers, our government has failed and we cease to be free Americans, but subjects of the corporate oligarchic plutocracy that holds great undue influence over our governmental policies, electoral, and legislative processes.

[homerjay_s]

Klondikekat wrote: You mean politicans who don't even have a semblance of corruption about them exist? Well, they probably do, they just never win
You know, it's that exact sentiment that fosters and perpetuates the acceptance that our government is corrupt and hopelessly so.

[Mr. Sunshine]

The sleezy tentacles of Abramoff were bipartisan in their reach. The mainstream media has not portrayed it that way. To try and say only Republicans are corrupt in a hell hole like Washington is disingenuous and befitting only of a party first fan-boy. Justice should be served equally and swiftly. 8:)

[Gaea]

Was Abramoff waterboarded when he implicated Reid? :lol:

This is an old allegation and is being revived by who??? An anonymous "source close to the investigation"? Who would that be? A Swiftboat vet? A bit late isn't it? :lol:

Anyway, why didn't Rove, the RNC or Republicans use Abramoff's allegation against Reid while he was running for re-election? This is old news, so why is it now suddenly a big deal two weeks after the election?

[Thrilla]

Moot wrote: Was Abramoff waterboarded when he implicated Reid? :lol:

This is an old allegation and is being revived by who??? An anonymous "source close to the investigation"? Who would that be? A Swiftboat vet? A bit late isn't it? :lol:

Anyway, why didn't Rove, the RNC or Republicans use Abramoff's allegation against Reid while he was running for re-election? This is old news, so why is it now suddenly a big deal two weeks after the election? Reid wasnt up for reelection this go-round... not until 08.

[Gaea]

Thrilla wrote: Moot wrote: Was Abramoff waterboarded when he implicated Reid? :lol:

This is an old allegation and is being revived by who??? An anonymous "source close to the investigation"? Who would that be? A Swiftboat vet? A bit late isn't it? :lol:

Anyway, why didn't Rove, the RNC or Republicans use Abramoff's allegation against Reid while he was running for re-election? This is old news, so why is it now suddenly a big deal two weeks after the election? Reid wasnt up for reelection this go-round... not until 08.

Oh yeah, you're right. I misread his webpage.

Nevertheless, why didn't the Republicans play Reids ethics problem up more during the election as a counter to the "culture of corruption" ? It wasn't exactly secret.

Anyway, didn't Reid vote against the interests of Abramoff's clients?

[Sands]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: The sleezy tentacles of Abramoff were bipartisan in their reach. The mainstream media has not portrayed it that way. To try and say only Republicans are corrupt in a hell hole like Washington is disingenuous and befitting only of a party first fan-boy. Justice should be served equally and swiftly. 8:)
I don't recall anyone claiming that Republicans were the ONLY ones facing corruption charges stemming from the Abramoff investigations, They were just in the majority... a large majority.

[_Kev_]

Heinz wrote: Quote: They just pick a new Democrat as Senate Majority Leader.

Not so fast....

The Governor of Nevada would first have to pick Reid's replacement or elect to have a run-off election. If he picks a Republican or one wins the election, there goes the majority.

You're assuming Reid is the only Senator to go.

How many Republicans will be implicated and forced out as well? The past 6 years should give you a clue.

[Mr. Sunshine]

Sands wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: The sleezy tentacles of Abramoff were bipartisan in their reach. The mainstream media has not portrayed it that way. To try and say only Republicans are corrupt in a hell hole like Washington is disingenuous and befitting only of a party first fan-boy. Justice should be served equally and swiftly. 8:)
I don't recall anyone claiming that Republicans were the ONLY ones facing corruption charges stemming from the Abramoff investigations, They were just in the majority... a large majority.

They were persecuted in the liberal media while Democrats skated for doing exactly the same thing. Corruption is an equal opportunity employer. Justice should be, also. Did you pay attention to the last election? Republicans were billed as corrupt by equally corrupt Democratic candidates as a campaign pitch. Injury added to insult to the electorate voting against corruption. 8:)

[Sands]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: Sands wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: The sleezy tentacles of Abramoff were bipartisan in their reach. The mainstream media has not portrayed it that way. To try and say only Republicans are corrupt in a hell hole like Washington is disingenuous and befitting only of a party first fan-boy. Justice should be served equally and swiftly. 8:)
I don't recall anyone claiming that Republicans were the ONLY ones facing corruption charges stemming from the Abramoff investigations, They were just in the majority... a large majority.

They were persecuted in the liberal media while Democrats skated for doing exactly the same thing. Corruption is an equal opportunity employer. Justice should be, also. Did you pay attention to the last election? Republicans were billed as corrupt by equally corrupt Democratic candidates as a campaign pitch. Injury added to insult to the electorate voting against corruption. 8:)
Look at the words in bold above. That's part of the reason the electorate voted the way they did... the majority of corruption cases were Republicans...I can't make it any clearer than that.

I'm not excusing Democrats, but they were in the minority when it came to corruption charges.

[Mr. Sunshine]

Sands wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Sands wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: The sleezy tentacles of Abramoff were bipartisan in their reach. The mainstream media has not portrayed it that way. To try and say only Republicans are corrupt in a hell hole like Washington is disingenuous and befitting only of a party first fan-boy. Justice should be served equally and swiftly. 8:)
I don't recall anyone claiming that Republicans were the ONLY ones facing corruption charges stemming from the Abramoff investigations, They were just in the majority... a large majority.

They were persecuted in the liberal media while Democrats skated for doing exactly the same thing. Corruption is an equal opportunity employer. Justice should be, also. Did you pay attention to the last election? Republicans were billed as corrupt by equally corrupt Democratic candidates as a campaign pitch. Injury added to insult to the electorate voting against corruption. 8:)
Look at the words in bold above. That's part of the reason the electorate voted the way they did... the majority of corruption cases were Republicans...I can't make it any clearer than that.

I'm not excusing Democrats, but they were in the minority when it came to corruption charges.

Perhaps, after equal time in the media as the Congressional Majority; they will have found to be equally or perhaps more corrupt than the old Majority party. America is waiting since they voted against corruption as the far and away number one motivating reason in exit polls. They may be quite upset to find that the Democrats were just as corrupt coupled with the deception sown into this election. It takes two parties to ruin a Congress. Rove is an evil genius after all. :lol:

[jamesp]

this isn'tthe frist time we have heard the connection with Reid.

it was there from the getgo but nobody actually follwed thru on it.

Ole Harry my NOT be so lucky this time but I suspect hos party wnd supporters will defend him to the point of exhaustion.

Will he step down and resign from the Senate ?
not hardly..it will be nothing more than a partisan attack by a R who's been conviceted.

I wonder why we believe Abrhamof when he implicates other Republicans though ? He only lobbied with republicans ? Are we to believe that ?

[GTTofAK]

jamesp wrote: this isn'tthe frist time we have heard the connection with Reid.

it was there from the getgo but nobody actually follwed thru on it.

Ole Harry my NOT be so lucky this time but I suspect hos party wnd supporters will defend him to the point of exhaustion.

Will he step down and resign from the Senate ?
not hardly..it will be nothing more than a partisan attack by a R who's been convicted.

I wonder why we believe Abrhamof when he implicates other Republicans though ? He only lobbied with republicans ? Are we to believe that ?

As a lobyist Abramoff only worked with Republicans. What the democrats hope you are dumb enough not to realize is that abramoff was also the head of Team Abramoff a team of over 20 lobbyist working for the lobbying firm Greenberg Traurig.

In his capacity as team leader of Team Abramoff Jack Abramoff approved every "donation" made by Team Abramoff members and their clients to political officials republican and democrat.

So are you as dumb as the democrats hope you are? Or are you one of the democrats hoping that the rest of us are that dumb?

[Ozzone]

homerjay_s wrote: Right, because all the Republicans that are guilty of corruption have stepped down before they were forced to.

Unlike Democrats that won't step down even if they are forced to.

Quote: Why is it that the Republicans are so happy at the thought of a Democrat being corrupt?

Duh. Because the Democrats were running on the principle of stopping corruption. That was tied at the top of their list for a "new direction".

Those of us that are enlightened realize the Democrat's meaning of a "new direction" isn't what's best for the country, but what is best for the Democratic Party.

[Heinz]

Quote: You're assuming Reid is the only Senator to go.

How many Republicans will be implicated and forced out as well? The past 6 years should give you a clue.

And you're assuming that I care if Republicans go to jail in drones.

Corruption is it's own party.

Thanks for being a hack.

[blockhead]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: The sleezy tentacles of Abramoff were bipartisan in their reach. The mainstream media has not portrayed it that way. To try and say only Republicans are corrupt in a hell hole like Washington is disingenuous and befitting only of a party first fan-boy. Justice should be served equally and swiftly. 8:)

I haven't heard of any democrats implicated or indicted yet.

Abramoff was a top lobbyist for the Preston Gates & Ellis and Greenberg Traurig firms and a director of the National Center for Public Policy Research, a conservative think tank, and Toward Tradition, a religious right organization, during his criminal enterprise. He was College Republican National Committee National Chairman from 1981 to 1985.

In 1986, Abramoff was appointed by President Ronald Reagan as a member of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council.

In the first 10 months of 2001, the Abramoff lobbying team logged almost 200 contacts with the new Administration.


Can you list all the Democrats and their involvement? Please have links to support your statements.

[_Kev_]

Heinz wrote: KRiche2 wrote: You're assuming Reid is the only Senator to go.

How many Republicans will be implicated and forced out as well? The past 6 years should give you a clue.

And you're assuming that I care if Republicans go to jail in drones.

I never assumed you cared.

Quote: Corruption is it's own party.

Agreed. I want all the bums out. Even if it does lead to a Republican majority.

Quote: Thanks for being a hack.

No problem.