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Freemason · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 614

I'm curious to do a bit of "think tanking" about various scenarios for the US.

Currently Russia has "bought" Belarus - buying the majority of their defense infrastructure and now have formed a "Union".

This problem is unconfronted by the US (mostly). But options are there...

Shifting gears.

What would we have as "options" should Germany start to purchase industrial; bank; and energy sectors in and through-out Eastern Europe?

What if it became apparent their goals were to gain majority share holdings within these sectors and demanded a free market or they would protect their interests from nationalization of Eastern European companies?

Such a move is common in weaker nations - but it hasn't been employed by a powerful nation on European nations except in the case of Russia and her former Soviet partners.

If Germany began to do the same - it would gain significant political influence in Eastern Europe.

What would the US option be to counter this move (assuming a stronger Germany threatens both Europe and the US hegemony rather than makes a stronger US or Europe and so European nations would seek US action and in particular, EU action mostly France)

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Freemason wrote: I'm curious to do a bit of "think tanking" about various scenarios for the US.

Currently Russia has "bought" Belarus - buying the majority of their defense infrastructure and now have formed a "Union".

This problem is unconfronted by the US (mostly). But options are there...

Shifting gears.

What would we have as "options" should Germany start to purchase industrial; bank; and energy sectors in and through-out Eastern Europe?

What if it became apparent their goals were to gain majority share holdings within these sectors and demanded a free market or they would protect their interests from nationalization of Eastern European companies?

Such a move is common in weaker nations - but it hasn't been employed by a powerful nation on European nations except in the case of Russia and her former Soviet partners.

If Germany began to do the same - it would gain significant political influence in Eastern Europe.

What would the US option be to counter this move (assuming a stronger Germany threatens both Europe and the US hegemony rather than makes a stronger US or Europe and so European nations would seek US action and in particular, EU action mostly France)

The United States is more likely to become Imperial than Germany. Your hate for Germans is getting tiring. What is this, your third thread?

Freemason · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 614

There's no doubt of American imperialism - but if America wishes to remain a hegemon then any scenario should be considered...from a civil war in Russia to nationalist party taking over Russia.

To Japan collapsing economically.

To war in Korea.

To resurgence of German power.

Have a problem that I care to discuss Germany right now rather than anything else? Or are you so vaccuous you have nothing to really contribute here?

Trajan · Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 6584 Location: SE PA

What German imperialism.

Paladin · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 213 Location: Heart of Texas

Can you say "Alternate Theory" Forum?

The Russian · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 384 Location: Buffalo, NY

Well the problem is this... Lukashenko that runs the former soviet republic where I was born and lived 9.5 years, is, in fact, a dictator... but regarding this, he is somewhat moderate.... he is good for the masses, but he supresses every other party, this however including both the Nazis and the Democratic equaly.

I would be afraid if the govt in Belarus began to resemble that of Russia, which is in a constant struggle against organized crime... while at the same time having stated they are for social peace and equality yet never cracking down on the growing anti-semitism and the neo-nazi movements.

In conclusion... Europe does not want to get its hands dirty with a dictator, and Russia is the only one willing to court a Belarus thats been declared "the last remaining dictatorship in Europe".

The fact that Belarus holds the pipeline for almost all gas and oil that travels from Russia to Europe is a big ass trump card... as currently they are recieving both tax and subsidy from Russia for letting russia technicaly own and run the pipeline in Belarus.

Belarus was forced to make a national defence in 1992 during the split where they had to make their own govt and currency... I still remember using it... it was named after animals... Like rabits were $1s, Bears were $10s..etc.. their defence isnt comprised of much, all they got is former soviet tech to begin with... while russia is modernising.

The biggest Belarusian assets are the stockpiles of chemical weapons that are left abandoned on its grounds after the agreement that banned them, and the 1992 breakup... when the union broke up, they hadnt yet paid to dismantle the weapons they had shipped outside of mainland Russia. So yes, technicaly Belarus has illegal WMDs, but they didnt build them, nor maintain them then, nor now... and its not like they got anyone to use them on. You should fear if they are ever forced to sell them to countries that didnt sign the pact to ban them.

Belarus has historicaly been invaded by both Russia, Poland, and Germany... they have in-bred miss-givings about sharing power with either the eastern Russia, or the wester US supported democracies of Poland and Germany. Quite frankly, the US supports its historical enemies and Russia is the only alternative left for them while your president shoots snipes and insults.

The only other thing I can think of is their large construction machinery export industry thats been there since the USSR. It still runs and it still exports a lot of european machinery.

Freemason · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 614

The Russian I think the point was the method is pretty fool proof, whether or not a dictator makes a country more suceptible to a buy out is good for discussion - Lukashenko definately has a "pro-Russian" stance as far where foreign policy is being concerned...wedged amongst giants they don't have much a choice.

That isn't to say they ARE pro-russian but that their politics are pushed that way.

My point was what if Germany decides to do the same. The status quo can't last forever.

Trajan · Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 6584 Location: SE PA

What German imperialism?

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8672 Location: Petah Tikva

Germany is a strong regional power but they are in way able to proceed to being a world power. Even Poland these days could probably hold long enough for French troops to push through Germany and allied forces come. They might even be able to fight it to a stand still on their own. Your talking about expanding German Imperial power, but they havent come close to coming anywhere near such strength or influence.

Freemason · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 614

superskippy wrote: Germany is a strong regional power but they are in way able to proceed to being a world power. Even Poland these days could probably hold long enough for French troops to push through Germany and allied forces come. They might even be able to fight it to a stand still on their own. Your talking about expanding German Imperial power, but they havent come close to coming anywhere near such strength or influence.

What part of buying Poland didn't you read? Germany's economy is one of the largest in Europe - Poland's is rather small (all of Eastern Europe's is rather small).

Buying eastern Europe is actually very "do-able".

No country would risk war to prevent free exchange of capital in the western world. It's a blatant way to be Imperialist while at the same time being legal.

As the situation became more desperate - then you'd see more tensions rise (sabre rattling) but that would take considerable pressure, good purchases means that by that time Germany could own a substantial amount of Eastern Europe.

thundertaker · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject:

Freemason wrote:
What part of buying Poland didn't you read? Germany's economy is one of the largest in Europe - Poland's is rather small (all of Eastern Europe's is rather small).

Buying eastern Europe is actually very "do-able".

Polish law means it is extremely difficult for foreigners to buy property over there.......

http://www.realtor.org/intupdt.nsf/Pages/Advice_to_Investors_in_Eastern_Europe

Nevertheless, to suggest modern Germany is capable of taking over the world is ridiculous. They couldn't even take over a neighbouring country in Europe without getting smacked down very hard by the surrounding countries within a small space of time.

Besides, the German economy is heaviliy tied up with the EU. It would be economic suicide as well as military suicide for Germany to go on a aggressive imperialistic romp in today's day and age........

Proton · Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Posts: 1777 Location: Evil European

Germany is currently terraforming Mars, and has no interest in the United States.

How many times are we going to say that?

(Mind you there is nothing illegal with buying/building factories in other countries (especially within the EU))

At which point I would like to address a message from the Bavarian Illuminati to the Freemasons:

"Give it up, we own you".

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8672 Location: Petah Tikva

It is far more likely to see a rise in nationalism or imperialism in Japan than in Germany especially with recently passed laws and the changing political climate.

Trajan · Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 6584 Location: SE PA

Freemason wrote: superskippy wrote: Germany is a strong regional power but they are in way able to proceed to being a world power. Even Poland these days could probably hold long enough for French troops to push through Germany and allied forces come. They might even be able to fight it to a stand still on their own. Your talking about expanding German Imperial power, but they havent come close to coming anywhere near such strength or influence.

What part of buying Poland didn't you read? Germany's economy is one of the largest in Europe - Poland's is rather small (all of Eastern Europe's is rather small).

Buying land does not make one imperialist.