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Venom



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:53 am    Post subject:  

Quote: Yes, they were sitting around for quite a while. Then They were working on their E3 presentation. Is it that hard to understand? Why would you even argue if you have not taken the time to actually watch it?
They spent 27 months on an E3 demonstration? I have watched it, I own the collectors edition.


Quote: And throughout various times, it is obvious they are working on the E3 presentation. Than they realize an Xbox could not fully run the game. 9/10 months before its release date.
So they spent 27 months on an E3 presentation and then 9 months making the actual game? Pretty hard to believe.
Quote: Along with interviews and B-roll footage shot over a two-year period on a variety of tape formats, Halo 2 game-play footage was an integral part of the documentary
That is from the same link. I'd like to point out that cut-scenes do not qualify as game-play footage, so apparently they were working on Halo 2's actual gameplay and not just the E3 presentation for over 2 years.

As for reworking the game in 9/10 months I believe that was the orginial Halo for the Xbox, not the sequel.
Quote: Bungie Studios rewrote the game's engine, heavily altering its presentation and turning it into a first-person shooter.[61] Originally a key element, the game's online multiplayer component was dropped because Xbox Live was unfinished at the time of Halo's release
Halo 1 was reworked and rushed, not Halo 2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo:_Combat_Evolved

Quote: 2 screens determine the graphical quality of two games? eh?
They seem to make it apparently clear that Halo 2 has superior graphics compared to Halo CE.

Quote: You need glasses.
No need for personal insults, however the only difference is a visor. Hardly a real factor as the game is played 1st person. Other than that they look alike. The lighting is different, but it's a different enviroment. Also take note that one is of course a cut-scene where the Masterchief is performing a movement he is unable to do during the game. I guess we should be upset you cannot just lean back and look up like that too?

Quote: There are always those that rise above. The few that never make a mistake
Is that not the definition of being better than others? Rising above...

So let me get this straight. If we are playing, say UT 2004, and I never miss with the sniper rifle.. wouldn't that make me a "skilled sniper"?
If I am playing CS: S and I continue to make headshots with the AK and DE does that not make me a skilled player?
So by not making a mistake, aren't you by definition more skilled?

4 man Halo 2 million dollar contract

Quote: The fact you are unable to argue gameplay is very telling.....
What is there to argue? There are people that are skilled at Halo. Just because a person can be good at Halo and suck at Halo 2 does not mean there is no skill required. In fact how can you argue skill being more required in Halo 1 when it didn't have near the multiplayer opportunities of Halo 2?
As I've stated before Halo 2 has over 500 million games played over Xbox Live!. Apparently these people are enjoying the gameplay. Can you please inform me how many games of Halo were played over Xbox Live!? Probably not many as it was not Live! enabled.
This is an example of the local lan CS player whom reigns supreme among his buddies, goes to CAL and is utterly destroyed by vastly superior players. Does this mean that CS requires no skill to be good? No. Does it mean that Joe Lan guy isn't good? No. It just means there are better people out there.
So if you want to talk about gameplay than you can talk about gameplay. There are over 500 million matches that enjoy the gameplay, there are tons of tournaments, there is over a million dollars invested in Halo 2's gameplay. So apparently the gameplay and the skill are there. That is why millions of fans are rabbid over the release of Halo 3 when it's a year away.
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Venom



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:12 am    Post subject:  

Here are the pictures from the latest EGM magazin as well as a article about Halo 3.
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3155028

Quote: this ridiculously anticipated first-person shooter.
So much for a "dead franchise" huh?
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wolfgang



Joined: 12 Nov 2006
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:09 pm    Post subject:  

Quote:
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
You are an idiot. I mean, really bad. He was clearly talking about the PC port of the game. Which is often called Halo CE while Xbox is just called Halo. Why you might ask? Scroll down and read toolbag.

I mean both the PC and Xbox version are Halo Combat Evolved. So there is no need to say Halo: CE because it is in the title of every version of Halo 1.

And yes Gearbox did the Halo PC port and an additional tool port that added software, but seperated the Halp PC market into two markets.

Halo CE on the PC = HALO CUSTOM EDITION. I mean wow. BUY A CLUE idiot.

http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/index.php?p=support&dl=5
Gearbox wrote: Halo Custom Edition is a multiplayer only, standalone version of Halo PC. This unsupported version of the game introduces a host of new features including the ability to play user created content (Which can be created with the Halo Editing Kit). Halo Custom Edition is meant for owners of Halo PC and requires a retail Halo PC CD and CD key to install.
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wolfgang



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:13 pm    Post subject:  

Venom wrote: So much for a "dead franchise" huh?

Venom companies often put dead franchies on the cover of their magazine. I mean, putting games on the cover that no one cares about is how you sell magazine. It makes perfect sense!

/sarcasm
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PricklySponge



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:10 pm    Post subject:  

wolfgang wrote: Quote:
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
You are an idiot. I mean, really bad. He was clearly talking about the PC port of the game. Which is often called Halo CE while Xbox is just called Halo. Why you might ask? Scroll down and read toolbag.

I mean both the PC and Xbox version are Halo Combat Evolved. So there is no need to say Halo: CE because it is in the title of every version of Halo 1.

And yes Gearbox did the Halo PC port and an additional tool port that added software, but seperated the Halp PC market into two markets.

Halo CE on the PC = HALO CUSTOM EDITION. I mean wow. BUY A CLUE idiot.

http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/index.php?p=support&dl=5
Gearbox wrote: Halo Custom Edition is a multiplayer only, standalone version of Halo PC. This unsupported version of the game introduces a host of new features including the ability to play user created content (Which can be created with the Halo Editing Kit). Halo Custom Edition is meant for owners of Halo PC and requires a retail Halo PC CD and CD key to install.
What you call PC Halo is irrelevent. I have been speaking of Halo CE, obviusly.

http://www.tdubel.com/pelit/kuvat/halo/kansikuva.jpg

That is Halo CE. on the XBOX. It came out long, long before the PC port. Note the name Halo: Combat Evolved. You need to figure out what the hell you are talking about when you post. 8:)

Halo CE was devloped by bungie. The PC port was done by Gearbox. You have no idea wtf you are talking about. BUNGIE devloped Halo CE and Halo 2, and was making games long before Halo CE was realeased as a killer app for the XBOX.

Halo CE was devloped by Bungie. It was than, later ported over by gearbox to PC and MAC :rotf:

Why the hell would you assume i'm camparing Halo 2 To the PC virsion of Halo CE? They are played on two completely different machines :lol:. Halo CE was realeased on Xbox as a launch title, and Halo 2 was realeased 3 years later.
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wolfgang



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:22 pm    Post subject:  

PricklySponge wrote: wolfgang wrote: Quote:
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
You are an idiot. I mean, really bad. He was clearly talking about the PC port of the game. Which is often called Halo CE while Xbox is just called Halo. Why you might ask? Scroll down and read toolbag.

I mean both the PC and Xbox version are Halo Combat Evolved. So there is no need to say Halo: CE because it is in the title of every version of Halo 1.

And yes Gearbox did the Halo PC port and an additional tool port that added software, but seperated the Halp PC market into two markets.

Halo CE on the PC = HALO CUSTOM EDITION. I mean wow. BUY A CLUE idiot.

http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/index.php?p=support&dl=5
Gearbox wrote: Halo Custom Edition is a multiplayer only, standalone version of Halo PC. This unsupported version of the game introduces a host of new features including the ability to play user created content (Which can be created with the Halo Editing Kit). Halo Custom Edition is meant for owners of Halo PC and requires a retail Halo PC CD and CD key to install.
What you call PC Halo is irrelevent. I have been speaking of Halo CE, obviusly.

http://www.tdubel.com/pelit/kuvat/halo/kansikuva.jpg

That is Halo CE. on the XBOX. It came out long, long before the PC port. Note the name Halo: Combat Evolved. You need to figure out what the hell you are talking about when you post. 8:)

Halo CE was devloped by bungie. The PC port was done by Gearbox. You have no idea wtf you are talking about. BUNGIE devloped Halo CE and Halo 2, and was making games long before Halo CE was realeased as a killer app for the XBOX.

Halo CE was devloped by Bungie. It was than, later ported over by gearbox to PC and MAC :rotf:

Why the hell would you assume i'm camparing Halo 2 To the PC virsion of Halo CE? They are played on two completely different machines :lol:. Halo CE was realeased on Xbox as a launch title, and Halo 2 was realeased 3 years later.

Is this guy serious? No really Bungie made games before Halo? Like oh Myth, Marathon, and others? ZOMG! Thanks tool.

Halo on the PC and Xbox are the same single player game. What you call Halo Combat Evolved is also on the PC.... Multiplayer between the PC and Xbox version is different.

Halo PC and Halo Xbox are the same single player game. You know what is really odd? Gamestop calls Halo Xbox -- just Halo and Halo PC Halo: Combat Evolved. ZOMG oh noes... http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=645137 (halo:CE PC)
http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=950063 (Halo Xbox) And on noes, but they both have Halo Combat Evolved on the box. Hence, they are both just "Halo" and Halo: CE is the PC add-on.


Halo CE on the PC is Halo 1.... Wtf are you talking about? Learn to read please. Both the PC and Xbox version are Halo Combat Evolved. There is Halo (which you seem to think should be called Halo Combat Evolved) and Halo 2. Halo CE is a patch for Halo Combat Evolved on the PC. Is it that hard for you?

Halo on the PC by Gearbox(ported Bungie's Halo 1 code) and Halo on the Xbox by Bungie are the same games and both titled "Halo: Combat Evolved". Therefore they are both "Halo". When Halo: CE is discussed it is in reference to Halo Custom Edition which is an improved Halo PC multiplayer patch that allowed for modding.

Buy a clue.
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PricklySponge



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject:  

Quote: They spent 27 months on an E3 demonstration?
Pretty much. Storyboards, graphics engine, physics engine, level design, vehicles, weapon design.

Quote: I have watched it, I own the collectors edition.
Than why did you earlier quote what a website said about it, instead of offering your own knowledge of it? I smell a liar. 8:)

Quote: So they spent 27 months on an E3 presentation and then 9 months making the actual game? Pretty hard to believe. What is hard for you to believe is irrelevant

Quote: I'd like to point out that cut-scenes do not qualify as game-play footage, Irrelevant. They were the graphics promised for Halo 2.

Quote: so apparently they were working on Halo 2's actual gameplay and not just the E3 presentation for over 2 years. They were working on the E3 presentations game-play. Which was video of what Halo 2 would look/play like. You obviously do not know what E3 presentation you are even talking about. IT was supposedly a level of Halo 2 being played. It was never delivered. The same plot, game play, and graphics were never delivered.

Quote: Bungie Studios rewrote the game's engine, heavily altering its presentation and turning it into a first-person shooter.[61] Originally a key element, the game's online multilayer component was dropped because Xbox Live was unfinished at the time of Halo's release
That does not change the fact that Halo CE was developed over the course of years. Serious work on Halo 2 did not start untill it was realized that the graphics engine they presented could not be handled by the Xbox.

Quote: however the only difference is a visor.
so you admit there are graphics promised for Halo 2 that were not delivered 8:)

Quote: Other than that they look alike. The lighting is different,
Halo 2 could not produce shadows of that quality. More graphics not delivered 8:)

Quote: Also take note that one is of course where the Masterchief is performing a movement he is unable to do during the game.
you mean like.... standing? :rotf:

Quote: In fact how can you argue skill being more required in Halo 1 when it didn't have near the multilayer opportunities of Halo 2? Incorrect. MLG played Halo ce long before Halo 2 came out. And games ran 24 houres a day on XBC.


Quote: As I've stated before Halo 2 has over 500 million games played over Xbox Live!. Apparently these people are enjoying the gameplay. Can you please inform me how many games of Halo were played over Xbox Live!? Probably not many as it was not Live! enabled.
People play it, therefor it is good? How many times do you hear " Get the sword!" on lockout? How often do you hear " Grab the snipers, quick" on burial mound or coag? Halo 2 is about whoring the power weapons. Why? Because unlike Halo CE, the power weapons DONT SPAWN untill the other guy drops them? How balanced is that?

Anybody that has played Halo 2 competitively acknowledges Halo 2's shortcomings. Player like Rippon had to be begged by their team members not to drop out of MLG.

Halo 2 was over hyped, and was a disappointment to the MLG and Hard core Halo community once the hype began to die down. Many of the top players of halo 2 in the world still play eachother Halo CE over XBC over weekends.
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leftneckredwing



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject:  

We actually have flame fests in the pc game thread?

Everybody knock it off, please.

No insults, no trolling, no flaming.
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Venom



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject:  

Quote: What you call PC Halo is irrelevent. I have been speaking of Halo CE, obviusly
No it's not irrelevent. You have been speaking of Halo CE which is the PC version. The accepted name for Halo: Combat Evolved on the Xbox is "Halo". The accepted PC name for Halo: Custom Edition is Halo CE.
Halo CE refers to the PC version, google it. The whole first page, except for one link which holds the full name Halo: Combat Evolved (not Halo CE), refers to the PC version. They refer to the PC version as Halo CE. So go argue with google.

Quote: That is Halo CE. on the XBOX. It came out long, long before the PC port. Note the name Halo: Combat Evolved. You need to figure out what the hell you are talking about when you post.
It is common knowledge that Halo CE is in reference to the PC version. No-one calls Halo 1 for the Xbox Halo CE... they call it either Halo, or Halo: Combat Evolved.

Quote: Halo CE was devloped by bungie. The PC port was done by Gearbox. You have no idea wtf you are talking about. BUNGIE devloped Halo CE and Halo 2, and was making games long before Halo CE was realeased as a killer app for the XBOX
I have listed sources that agree with me, I've listed quotes. Here is another/
Quote: Halo for Windows was developed by Gearbox Software
That quote comes from Gearbox's website. Are you accusing Gearbox Software of lying?

Quote: Halo CE was devloped by Bungie. It was than, later ported over by gearbox to PC and MAC
A port is a mere transfer really, a copy of the game from one platform to another. Halo CE comes with new tools, new weapons, new maps, etc. That is known as development. Gearbox Software says they developed Halo CE for the PC. So you may wish to fire an email off to said company demanding they retract that statement.

Quote: Why the hell would you assume i'm camparing Halo 2 To the PC virsion of Halo CE?
Because the standard name for Halo: Combat Evolved on the Xbox is merely "Halo". The title for Halo: Custom Edition on the PC is known as Halo: CE.

Quote: Halo CE was realeased on Xbox as a launch title, and Halo 2 was realeased 3 years later.
Halo was released on the Xbox as a launch title, Halo 2 was released 3 years later. Halo CE is not the name that anyone gaming website, magazine, or google search refers to as Halo 1 for the Xbox. This is a simple fact.
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PricklySponge



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:54 pm    Post subject:  

Quote: Halo on the PC and Xbox are the same single player game. What you call Halo Combat Evolved is also on the PC.... Multiplayer between the PC and Xbox version is different. The multi is different. Thus two different games have two different names. Halo CE=Halo: combat evolved. The first Halo game made. If you are speaking of something different I advise to make that known.

Quote: There is Halo (which you seem to think should be called Halo Combat Evolved) Is called combat evolved. I mean,really, are you arguing the name of a game? I've already posted the box of the game, is that not enough for you?

Quote: Halo on the PC by Gearbox(ported Bungie's Halo 1 code) and Halo on the Xbox by Bungie are the same games and both titled "Halo: Combat Evolved". Therefore they are both "Halo". If a game is called combat evolved, it is really is called combat evolved. The developers aren't playing a joke on you. When a game is named something, that is its name.

Quote: When Halo: CE is discussed it is in reference to Halo Custom Edition which is an improved Halo PC multiplayer patch that allowed for modding.
ok.... one last time. Halo: combat evolved. It came out long before custom edition on the PC. There is Halo:CE on the xbox, and Halo 2. If you are referring to a PC game, you need to make that known. Because this whole thread is based on console games.
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PricklySponge



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject:  

Quote: No it's not irrelevent. You have been speaking of Halo CE which is the PC version. The accepted name for Halo: Combat Evolved on the Xbox is "Halo". The accepted PC name for Halo: Custom Edition is Halo CE. I have been speaking of Halo: Combat Evolved. This thread is about a console game. Why would I be talking about a PC game and not make it known?

Quote: they call it either Halo, or Halo: Combat Evolved. thank you.

Quote: Halo for Windows was developed by Gearbox Software
That quote comes from Gearbox's website. Are you accusing Gearbox Software of lying?[/quote]

uh... ports are still devleloped :?. Even if the game was slightly altered, and built upon, it is still essentially the same game, and is still a port. I don't believe there is a defined definition of a game port. But it is accepted knowledge that Halo CE was ported over to PC. In all ports the game must be changed slightly, graphics, sound, menu's, conrtols etc. Even the simplest of ports must be altered somewhat.

Quote: Because the standard name for Halo: Combat Evolved on the Xbox is merely "Halo". When differentiating btwn Halo CE and Halo 2, it is pretty obvious I am referring to Halo Combat Evolved. This thread is about Halo 3... a console game.

Quote: Halo CE is not the name that anyone gaming website, magazine, or google search refers to as Halo 1 for the Xbox. This is a simple fact. http://mac.ign.com/objects/486/486840.html
IGN accepts it as combat evolved. Why don't you?

Anyways, you have admitted that the graphics promised for Halo 2 were not delivered. As far as i'm concerned, that argument is over.
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wolfgang



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject:  

PricklySponge wrote:

uh... ports are still devleloped :?. Even if the game was slightly altered, and built upon, it is still essentially the same game, and is still a port. I don't believe there is a defined definition of a game port. But it is accepted knowledge that Halo CE was ported over to PC. In all ports the game must be changed slightly, graphics, sound, menu's, conrtols etc. Even the simplest of ports must be altered somewhat.

Ports come out of thin air? I guess they didn't rewrite anything? They just hit the compile button and shipped it? Yeah they are still developed...
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PricklySponge



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:00 pm    Post subject:  

wolfgang wrote: PricklySponge wrote:

uh... ports are still devleloped :?. Even if the game was slightly altered, and built upon, it is still essentially the same game, and is still a port. I don't believe there is a defined definition of a game port. But it is accepted knowledge that Halo CE was ported over to PC. In all ports the game must be changed slightly, graphics, sound, menu's, conrtols etc. Even the simplest of ports must be altered somewhat.

Ports come out of thin air? I guess they didn't rewrite anything? They just hit the compile button and shipped it? Yeah they are still developed...

good, so you agree. 8:)
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Venom



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject:  

Quote: Pretty much. Storyboards, graphics engine, physics engine, level design, vehicles, weapon design
That is game development, not the E3 teaser. The teaser trailer shows the Masterchief flying out holding onto a bomb. It doesn't show vehicles, nor level design, shows very little in regards to the story. Also it doesn't show anything for the new weapons. The first release was a trailer, the next was them showing off actual gameplay that is included in the final version of the game.
What you have cited here is work towards creating the game. I have sourced twice now where they say how they've worked on the game for over 2 years.

Quote: Than why did you earlier quote what a website said about it, instead of offering your own knowledge of it? I smell a liar
Again personal insults aren't required.
Because this is a forum and it's much better to prove your arguement through quotes from real sources rather than hearsay.

Quote: What is hard for you to believe is irrelevant
Your point has been debunked through sources I have listed, they spent that time creating the game.

Quote: Irrelevant. They were the graphics promised for Halo 2
They were delivered. Load up your copy of Halo 2 and you will see that is what the scene looks like.
So promised and delivered.


Quote: They were working on the E3 presentations game-play. Which was video of what Halo 2 would look/play like. You obviously do not know what E3 presentation you are even talking about. IT was supposedly a level of Halo 2 being played. It was never delivered. The same plot, game play, and graphics were never delivered
Ok show me where you this is promised?
The same plot is not intact? The E 3 trailer from which you took that screenshot is included in the game. Gameplay videos, they had the maps in there that were shown off. If you recall the campaign map where you end up chasing down that four legged convenant mech that they showed off at E 3 was included in the game.
If your talking abut the E 3 presentation where the masterchief grabs the bomb and jumps out of the ship into space, that was not supposed to be gameplay, it is in the game, it is part of the story. The graphics from that scene look the same.
Care to source where that scene is supposed to be you playing as the Masterchief?
If you recall the Halo 3 trailer is the same thing, using the in-game engine, however it's not supposed to be a player playing. It's a cut-scene.

Quote: That does not change the fact that Halo CE was developed over the course of years. Serious work on Halo 2 did not start untill it was realized that the graphics engine they presented could not be handled by the Xbox.

Debunked.
I've posted sources and quotes to debunk this.
Halo: CE did take years to develop because Gearbox added elements to the game.

[quote]so you admit there are graphics promised for Halo 2 that were not delivered /quote]
You play the game 1st person. You cannot see the visor. That scene looks exactly the same on the Xbox. So yes the graphics were apparently delivered.

Quote: Halo 2 could not produce shadows of that quality. More graphics not delivered
Apparently your one of the few that feels jipped by the graphics. The shadows in that scene are far from complex and are the same on the Xbox version of Halo 2 if you care to load up your copy in HD.

Quote: you mean like.... standing?/quote]
He is leaning back in that scene if you care to take another look. Compare that to his normal standing, the arch of his back, etc.

Quote: Incorrect. MLG played Halo ce long before Halo 2 came out. And games ran 24 houres a day on XBC./quote]
Debunked.
Halo 1 did not support Xbox live. Yes there were ways to play over the internet even on an Xbox. However as I stated, Xbox one did not come near to giving the multiplayer capabilities of Halo 2, as it was live enabled.
Halo 2 has over 500 million games logged over Live!. Halo multiplayer was played mostly over a LAN or a single Xbox console.
So the thought that Halo has the same opportunities as Halo 2 has been debunked.

Quote: People play it, therefor it is good? How many times do you hear " Get the sword!" on lockout? How often do you hear " Grab the snipers, quick" on burial mound or coag? Halo 2 is about whoring the power weapons. Why? Because unlike Halo CE, the power weapons DONT SPAWN untill the other guy drops them? How balanced is that?

Apparently it is balanced enough where it continues to be a top Xbox Live! game.
Quote: If the Xbox 360 list and the Original Xbox list were combined, then Halo 2 would be the top Xbox Live title, followed by Xbox 360 titles.
http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2006/11/04/xbox-live-activity-for-week-of-10-30.aspx
So while you mean feel the game is grossly unbalanced, it continues to be the lead game on Live!. Apparently the game is balanced enough to continue to be fun for these people.

Quote: Halo 2 was over hyped, and was a disappointment to the MLG and Hard core Halo community once the hype began to die down. Many of the top players of halo 2 in the world still play eachother Halo CE over XBC over weekends.
Good for them. Yet Halo is not a top 10 Xbox Live! game. It is not live enabled and the majority of players never played over XBC, means means the majority of competition was left out.
Also do you care to actually source a claim made?

Quote: The multi is different. Thus two different games have two different names. Halo CE=Halo: combat evolved. The first Halo game made. If you are speaking of something different I advise to make that known.
I've gone out and proven through sources, through google, that Halo CE refers to Halo on the PC.

Quote: Is called combat evolved. I mean,really, are you arguing the name of a game? I've already posted the box of the game, is that not enough for you?
That is the full name of the game, however when people refer to Halo for the Xbox they call it "Halo", not "Halo CE".
This has been again proven through sources and google.

Quote: thank you.
Halo: Combat Evolved or Halo is the name gaming sites call Halo 1 for the Xbox. No site refers to the Xbox version as Halo CE. However they do refer to the PC Version as Halo CE.
Halo is the standard title given when referring to the orgininal xbox release. Halo CE is the standard title referring to the PC release.
Again this has been sourced and proven.

Quote: uh... ports are still devleloped . Even if the game was slightly altered, and built upon, it is still essentially the same game, and is still a port. I don't believe there is a defined definition of a game port. But it is accepted knowledge that Halo CE was ported over to PC. In all ports the game must be changed slightly, graphics, sound, menu's, conrtols etc. Even the simplest of ports must be altered somewhat
The game was developed by Gearbox Software as they have stated.
I have sourced this and quoted this.
Adding new weapons, new maps, new options is not a simple port, it's development. It's changing. That's like saying that a BF 2 expansion wasn't developed because it was built upon the original game. If you add new things to a game your are indeed developing.

Quote: When differentiating btwn Halo CE and Halo 2, it is pretty obvious I am referring to Halo Combat Evolved. This thread is about Halo 3... a console game.
Again Halo CE refers to the PC version. I have sourced and quoted to back up my claim.

http://mac.ign.com/objects/486/486840.html
IGN accepts it as combat evolved. Why don't you?
First I'd like to point out your link is for a Mac title, not a PC nor a Xbox title.
I have not argued that Halo is not known as Halo: Comat Evolved. However as I have stated and supported numerous times. Halo CE refers to the PC version. You continue to call Halo: Combat Evolved for the Xbox as Halo CE. This is not the accepted title for the game as I've ported as that title resides with it's PC version Halo CE.
I'd like to point out that IGN in that article you've listed never refers to the game as Halo CE.
Here is a quote and link to show to again support this.
Quote: Gearbox Software Announces Halo CE
This comes from GameSpy.
Gamespy Article
This link is for the PC title, which they refer to as Halo CE.

Now if you wish to read the actual IGN review of Halo: Combat Evolved for the Xbox here is what the 1st paragraph refers to Halo as.
Quote: When you get past all of the chatter about the potential of Halo looking better on a PC, and all of the yip-yap about Halobeing "just another" first person shooter, and all of the lip-flapping about Halo
Here is the link:
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/165/165922p1.html
Also if you care to search both pages and the responses to the review you will find all of them refer to Halo: Combat Evolved for the Xbox as just plain Halo. There is no Halo CE to be found.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject:  

Guys. Though this is a more relaxed forum than the political ones like P&G, you still must abide by the rules. Chill out or the thread will be closed.
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Melcar



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject:  

I find it amazing that a game can generate such a heated debate.
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Green



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:06 pm    Post subject:  

not console gamer,

and, 1944 D-day operation overlord will beat any game that has ever been made. Good graphics, very detailed, revolutionary...

Google it.
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wolfgang



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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:43 pm    Post subject:  

PricklySponge wrote: good, so you agree. 8:)

I guess I thought you were being sarcastic. I don't see where people said ports aren't developed. Seems like a mute point.

Venom said it was developed, I said it was, you say it was, seems like we can all agree that Gearbox did work...
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