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PricklySponge · Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 9026

Quote: Care to show a link to Halo 2 promised graphics that were not delivered?
:shock: are you kidding? Bungie.net
http://www.bungie.net/SlideShow.aspx?Path=/games/Halo2&Slideshow=Screenshots&Slide=11
http://www.bungie.net/SlideShow.aspx?Path=/games/Halo2&Slideshow=Screenshots&Slide=13
http://www.bungie.net/SlideShow.aspx?Path=/games/Halo2&Slideshow=Screenshots&Slide=17
http://www.bungie.net/SlideShow.aspx?Path=/games/Halo2&Slideshow=Screenshots&Slide=18
http://www.bungie.net/SlideShow.aspx?Path=/games/Halo2&Slideshow=Screenshots&Slide=24
http://www.bungie.net/SlideShow.aspx?Path=/games/Halo2&Slideshow=Screenshots&Slide=22

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Quote: Halo 2's campaign was short and obviously nothing but a teaser for Halo 3 since it just ended with a "to be continued" feel without having a real ending. They focused all of the effort into the Live aspect and skimped out on the actual game leaving way more to be desired.

Halo 1 left off with to be continued as well. That's what games early in a series do.
Do you think Halo 1 had a real ending? As for the story line.. thats a matter of opinion, but I certianly learned a lot more about the enemy and the Forerunners from the 2nd.

Quote: What new weapons? What new Warthog? it was all the same sh!t, Oooooooooo dual wielding weapons, whoopity do
A new warthog with the rail gun. Covenant tank, covenant 3 man vehicle.
New weapons? Brute shot, covenant sniper rifle, new battle rifle, new pistol, energy sword.
It was not the same stuff. Also they added the ability to hijack vehicles.

So yes those new weapons, that new warthog.

PricklySponge · Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 9026

FCTE wrote: Microsoft focused on hype and didn't deliver. They had a good game and dropped the ball banking on the fact that the first one did well and the second will sell no matter what. It happens all the time with sequels to anything.

The Halo franchise is dead. Halo 2 was essentially developed in a mad 9 month rush. Halo ce was developed over the course of years, until it had matured into a revolutionary FPS.

Bungie sold out the hardcore Halo ce fanbase, and left out many of the features that made Halo ce great.

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

PricklySponge wrote: are you kidding? Bungie.net
Every cut scene in Halo uses the in game engine. It looks like that to me in HD... maybe you should run your Xbox in High Def?

PricklySponge · Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 9026

Quote: A new warthog with the rail gun.
Good add-on
Quote: Covenant tank,
useless.
Quote: covenant 3 man vehicle.
useless. Crappy, recycled warthog.
Quote: Brute shot,
pointless add-on
Quote: covenant sniper rifle,
We already had a sniper rifle. What is the point of two?
Quote: new battle rifle
Pathetic, watered down pistol.
Quote: new pistol
useless
Quote: energy sword.
Why would you even mention this?

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18817

PricklySponge wrote: Halo 2 was nothing like CE. Halo 2 was much, much, much worse.

That's what I've been saying in other words, besides Halo 2 got completely spanked by Half-Life 2's sweet story line and graphics.

PricklySponge · Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 9026

Venom wrote: PricklySponge wrote: are you kidding? Bungie.net
Every cut scene in Halo uses the in game engine. It looks like that to me in HD... maybe you should run your Xbox in High Def? it does not look like that on any telivision. The lighting isnt even close. The reflection in MCs visor is non existent. The model detail is inferior to those pictures.

PricklySponge · Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 9026

FCTE wrote: PricklySponge wrote: Halo 2 was nothing like CE. Halo 2 was much, much, much worse.

That's what I've been saying in other words, besides Halo 2 got completely spanked by Half-Life 2's sweet story line and graphics. agreed. HL2 was amazing.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18817

PricklySponge wrote: Quote: A new warthog with the rail gun.
Good add-on
Quote: Covenant tank,
useless.
Quote: covenant 3 man vehicle.
useless. Crappy, recycled warthog.
Quote: Brute shot,
pointless add-on
Quote: covenant sniper rifle,
We already had a sniper rifle. What is the point of two?
Quote: new battle rifle
Pathetic, watered down pistol.
Quote: new pistol
useless
Quote: energy sword.
Why would you even mention this?

+1

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18817

PricklySponge wrote: it does not look like that on any telivision. The lighting isnt even close. The reflection in MCs visor is non existent. The model detail is inferior to those pictures.

Halo CE on PC owns the graphics in 2.....and I don't want to hear the limitations of the Xbox because Far Cry, while a completely horrible game on the Xbox, had great graphics for such a weak machine.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18817

This is suppose to be next gen graphics? :-|

Unreal Tournament 2004 has smoother graphics than this.

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Quote: Halo 2 was essentially developed in a mad 9 month rush.
Are you serious?
They worked on Halo 2 for the better part of 3 years....
Halo 1 was released Nov 2001.. Halo 2 Nov 14, 2004.

Quote: Halo ce was developed over the course of years, until it had matured into a revolutionary FPS.

Bungie sold out the hardcore Halo ce fanbase, and left out many of the features that made Halo ce great.
Halo CE was developed by Gearbox not Bungie....
So how would Bungie sell out Halo CE players when they didn't develop that version?

Quote: it does not look like that on any telivision. The lighting isnt even close. The reflection in MCs visor is non existent. The model detail is inferior to those pictures.
Load up Halo 2 on your HD TV (of course you'll need HD capable cables) and run the game. Also if you want to look at Masterchielf's visor in those pics you'll notice they are not realtime just like the game. The model detail is the same. That is the difference from a cutscene to the in game... the reflection of a visor which wasn't even real time.
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=562 116&img=6&sid=6112628&path=2004/reviews/562116_20041105_embed006.jpg

As for your list of complaing about the new weapons/vehicles. Thats of course your opinion after it's been pointed out of a fruitless accusation that Halo 2 was exactly the same.

FCTE wrote: That's what I've been saying in other words, besides Halo 2 got completely spanked by Half-Life 2's sweet story line and graphics.
Apples and oranges. $1,000 + dollar PC or a $150 console that had been out for several years.
Halo has a much better back story than Half-Life. I loved waking up in Halo 2 on a train after the G Man speech... how did I get there? Who is he? Hrmm I'll have to wait for the sequel (or apparently continue to buy Episodes..) to attempt to find out.
FCTE wrote: It ended with Halo 2 being nothing but a commercial for 3 So you hold that against Halo... but nevermind that about HL right? Which end with an obvious... wait to pay for a sequel as well. Interesting.
HL 2 was a fun game it's story wasn't exactly stellar. Episode 1 just leads to Episode 2 as far as story... but we won't hold that against HL oh no...
Now as to Halo's story, do you realize that there is a lot of background to it? Such Masterchief is not the only Spartan. Not only that do you know any of his history? What about that AI in his suit? What are the forerunners and what is going on with the Covenant? There is a lot of knowledge about this. Half-Life 2 really doesn't touch the Halo back story.
http://www.amazon.com/Books-Flood-First-Strike-Reach/dp/0345473043
There is a 4th book out now as well that bridges the gaps before Halo 1, inbetween Halo 1-2 and 2-3.If you are interested in a story I suggest these. This is oppossed to, wow I woke up because the Gman put me on a train.

FCTE wrote: Microsoft focused on hype and didn't deliver. They had a good game and dropped the ball banking on the fact that the first one did well and the second will sell no matter what. It happens all the time with sequels to anything.

The Halo franchise is dead.
I guess we'll see how many copies Halo 3 sells to back up your statement. Nevermind that they are already offering pre-orders a year in advance for a game.... not even a system.

Quote: Halo CE on PC owns the graphics in 2.....and I don't want to hear the limitations of the Xbox because Far Cry, while a completely horrible game on the Xbox, had great graphics for such a weak machine.

Halo CE on the PC is Halo in higher resolution. Halo 2 on the Xbox in HD is easily more attractive... and of course much cheaper to own.
Halo for the PC

Halo 2 for the Xbox

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18817

The difference is Half-Life 2 actually had a FULL campaign that actually took some time to get through and felt like a completed game, Halo 2 took 2 days to beat and I was left wondering where the other half of the game went.

Halo CE on PC still looks a thousand times better in those pics. There is no way that weak Nvidia processor in the Xbox could compare with a decent card at that time, which I think I had a Geforce 5600FX at the time. The 360 will eventually suffer the same fate as all consoles, being stagnant while PC's evolve.

PricklySponge · Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 9026

Quote: Are you serious?
They worked on Halo 2 for the better part of 3 years....
Halo 1 was released Nov 2001.. Halo 2 Nov 14, 2004.
you are incorrect. Development on Halo 2 began late. Essentially Bungie worked on The E3 demonstration--HYPE. Soon thereafter it was realized that the xbox could not handle the graphics presented in the E3 presentation. A 9/10 month mad dash ensued. If you had seen the Limited Edition DVD extra, the developers pretty much confirm this.

Quote: Halo CE was developed by Gearbox not Bungie....
So how would Bungie sell out Halo CE players when they didn't develop that version? :rotf: flat out WRONG. Gearbox only worked on porting Halo ce to computer. Halo CE was completely developed by bungie as a strategy game. Microsoft purchased bungie, and the direction switched to a FPS>

Quote: The model detail is the same. How can you honestly say that? Look at the pictures I linked, and look at the pic you posted. They are not even close

Quote: That is the difference from a cut scene to the in game... the reflection of a visor which wasn't even real time. When those pics were posted they were not declared as cut-scenes.

Quote: As for your list of complaing about the new weapons/vehicles. Thats of course your opinion after it's been pointed out of a fruitless accusation that Halo 2 was exactly the same. Where did I say the two were the same?

Quote: I guess we'll see how many copies Halo 3 sells to back up your statement. Nevermind that they are already offering pre-orders a year in advance for a game.... not even a system. halo 3 is still riding off the hype from Halo CE. Just as Halo 2 still is. Bungie should thank the hard core Halo 1 fanbase, without them the Halo franchise would be nothing.

Quote: Halo CE on the PC is Halo in higher resolution. Halo 2 on the Xbox in HD is easily more attractive... and of course much cheaper to own.
Halo for the PC

Halo 2 for the Xbox

Why would you compare one of the worst PC Halo pics you can possibly find, to one of the best Halo 2 screens I have ever seen? Somebody isn't keeping an open mind :think:

PricklySponge · Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 9026

FCTE wrote: , Halo 2 took 2 days to beat ahem, 9 houres. 8:)

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

We'll as pointed out in this month's EGM. These pictures are from the Alpha stage and Bungie has stated their textures are not done and neither is the lighting. However with that said I still think those graphics are pretty sweet.

[img]http://www.picturefiles.org/ims/pic.php?u=65P1kTn&i=243[/img]
This is next-gen PC... running on a $500+ video card. Last time I checked my ribbons weren't that flat....

Quote: The difference is Half-Life 2 actually had a FULL campaign that actually took some time to get through and felt like a completed game
I beat Half-Life 2 in a day... so did everyone I know. When I beat Half-Life I still knew next to nothing about the G Man and knew I had to wait for their Episodes to come out to move the story.

Quote: Halo 2 took 2 days to beat and I was left wondering where the other half of the game went.

If your that interested in a story read some books?
I beat Halo in a day and felt fine about it and had a much better grasp on the "Halo Unverise" and it's story than Half-Life.

Quote: Halo CE on PC still looks a thousand times better in those pics
Yeah... I think the majority of people will disagree with ya on that one.

Quote: There is no way that weak Nvidia processor in the Xbox could compare with a decent card at that time, which I think I had a Geforce 5600FX at the time.
It doesn't have to compare. Halo CE was designed to look like Halo for the Xbox with the possibility of higher resolution. Also a video game console can have weaker specs, yet outperform the PC because the consoles are all the same which makes it much easier for developers to optimize for them.

Quote: The 360 will eventually suffer the same fate as all consoles, being stagnant while PC's evolve.
The console market evolves and surpasses the PC... every generation.
My 360 has surpassed my PC's graphical abilities and it's cheaper.
So while on a whole this generation of a console will remain stagnant. However that is not a bad thing, especially from a financial point of view. I know I will not be forced to upgrade my 360 to play Halo 3. The PC on the other hand will be to play Halo 2, Crisis, etc.
So yes the PC's graphics will surpass the console, but so will it's price.
I can play with 4 people on 1 Xbox. Try 4 player Halo on the same PC.
FCTE wrote: You can't put together a great gaming machine for $600. That's the cost of the graphics card alone
So yes if you want to buy the 2-3 decent PC games a year and play them at their max, only to have a game the following year not run as well then that's fine if you want to argue evolving. However I know that I will run all the games for my 360 is atleast 720p for the lifespan of the system. $400 is what I invested in my 360... it's life span is 5 years playing brand new games at their max settings. Can you say the same for a $10,000 computer? Nope.

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Quote: you are incorrect. Development on Halo 2 began late. Essentially Bungie worked on The E3 demonstration--HYPE. Soon thereafter it was realized that the xbox could not handle the graphics presented in the E3 presentation. A 9/10 month mad dash ensued. If you had seen the Limited Edition DVD extra, the developers pretty much confirm this
Care to show me a link confirming they took 9/10 months?

Quote: flat out WRONG. Gearbox only worked on porting Halo ce to computer. Halo CE was completely developed by bungie as a strategy game. Microsoft purchased bungie, and the direction switched to a FPS>
How am I wrong. Halo CE is the name you use to refer to the PC version... Halo is the name for the original game.
FCTE wrote: Halo CE on PC still looks a thousand times better in those pics
As clearly stated in this thread Halo CE is deemed the PC version of the game. Which was developed by Gearbox.

Quote: The PC adaptation is being developed by Texas-based Gearbox Software and based on the game's original concept

Gearbox develops Halo CE
I am flat out right according to this article.

Quote: How can you honestly say that? Look at the pictures I linked, and look at the pic you posted. They are not even close
I can honestly say that because I showed my friends over IM and they agreed.

Quote: When those pics were posted they were not declared as cut-scenes
It uses the in game engine, it is not a CGI cut-scene, everyone I talk to agree they use the same graphics in that and the actual game.

Quote: halo 3 is still riding off the hype from Halo CE. Just as Halo 2 still is. Bungie should thank the hard core Halo 1 fanbase, without them the Halo franchise would be nothing
Halo 3 is riding off of Halo 2. If Halo 2 was such a disaster then why did it sell so well and why do people continue to play it?

Quote: Why would you compare one of the worst PC Halo pics you can possibly find, to one of the best Halo 2 screens I have ever seen? Somebody isn't keeping an open mind
Other in this thread find the Halo CE pics better than that of the Halo 2 screens. So apparently I am being open minded.

PricklySponge · Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 9026

Quote: Care to show me a link confirming they took 9/10 months? Of course bungie is not going to officially confirm it. Watch the LE DVD, devs corroborate everything I have said.

Quote: How am I wrong. Halo CE is the name you use to refer to the PC version... Halo is the name for the original game.
:rotf: Halo : combat evolved= Halo CE

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

Quote: I can honestly say that because I showed my friends over IM and they agreed. Probably more Halo 2 fanboys. What you're friends say determines truth, huh?

Quote: It uses the in game engine, it is not a CGI cut-scene, everyone I talk to agree they use the same graphics in that and the actual game. well...duh. The Pics I posted, the ones that are far superior to what Halo 2 actually is, are supposedly from real game. Around the time of when Halo 2 was presented at E3

Quote: If Halo 2 was such a disaster then why did it sell so well and why do people continue to play it? It is a disaster because it takes no skill to be quite good. Thus, people with no skill play it.

Quote: Why would you compare one of the worst PC Halo pics you can possibly find, to one of the best Halo 2 screens I have ever seen? Somebody isn't keeping an open mind
Other in this thread find the Halo CE pics better than that of the Halo 2 screens. So apparently I am being open minded.[/quote] :roll: The PC Halo pic you posted is one of the lowest quality pics I have seen. And it still looks perfectly fine.

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Quote: Of course bungie is not going to officially confirm it. Watch the LE DVD, devs corroborate everything I have said
Ok so you will not source your claim. Noted.
Bungie created no games inbetween Halo 1 and Halo 2. So using simple math: Halo 1 was released Nov 2001, Halo 2 is Nov 2004. That is 36 months. If they only spent 9 months developing the game that means they say around for 27 months doing nothing as they did not develop any other games. I doubt MS would go for that. However here is a quote:
Quote: Interviews with key members of the Halo 2 development team were shot over a period of more than two years
http://www.avid.com/profiles/050509_halo2_xpresspro.asp?featureID=888&marketID=
You may want to watch the making of Halo 2 bonus discs again as apparently they are filmed over the course of 2+ years.

Quote: Halo : combat evolved= Halo CE
Halo on the Xbox is commonly referred to as Halo. Halo CE is the common reference name for the Halo 1 on the PC.

Quote: Probably more Halo 2 fanboys. What you're friends say determines truth, huh?

My friends opinions of which looks graphically better, which all saw Halo 2 as looking better, seems to state that overwhemingly people find Halo 2 to be a more attactive game graphically.
As for being more Halo 2 fanboys... several of my friends don't play video games.

Quote: well...duh. The Pics I posted, the ones that are far superior to what Halo 2 actually is, are supposedly from real game. Around the time of when Halo 2 was presented at E3
The shots look the same as the actual game.

Quote: It is a disaster because it takes no skill to be quite good. Thus, people with no skill play it.
I guess these Halo 2 players made it to the championship based upon dumb luck? Halo 2 regional champs

Quote: The PC Halo pic you posted is one of the lowest quality pics I have seen. And it still looks perfectly fine.
The majority of people that compare the two pictures would honestly agree that Halo 2 looks superior graphically. You certainly implied that you felt the Halo 2 picture was superior in your previous post :
Quote: Why would you compare one of the worst PC Halo pics you can possibly find, to one of the best Halo 2 screens I have ever seen? Somebody isn't keeping an open mind
That looked fine when it was released on the Xbox in 2001, not so much when it was released for the PC.
If you recall Halo 3's graphics are already under attack in this thread, and they are apparently not as good as UT 2004's. So where does that put Halo CE on the food chain? Pretty low.

PricklySponge · Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 9026

Quote: Ok so you will not source your claim. Noted.
Bungie created no games inbetween Halo 1 and Halo 2. So using simple math: Halo 1 was released Nov 2001, Halo 2 is Nov 2004. That is 36 months. If they only spent 9 months developing the game that means they say around for 27 months doing nothing as they did not develop any other games. Yes, they were sitting around for quite a while. Then They were working on their E3 presentation. Is it that hard to understand? Why would you even argue if you have not taken the time to actually watch it?

Quote: I doubt MS would go for that. However here is a quote:
Quote: Interviews with key members of the Halo 2 development team were shot over a period of more than two years
You may want to watch the making of Halo 2 bonus discs again as apparently they are filmed over the course of 2+ years. And throughout various times, it is obvious they are working on the E3 presentation. Than they realize an Xbox could not fully run the game. 9/10 months before its release date.

Quote:
Halo on the Xbox is commonly referred to as Halo. Halo CE is the common reference name for the Halo 1 on the PC. uhh... so you're arguing with the box of the game now? :roll:

Quote: My friends opinions of which looks graphically better, which all saw Halo 2 as looking better, seems to state that overwhemingly people find Halo 2 to be a more attactive game graphically.
As for being more Halo 2 fanboys... several of my friends don't play video games. :roll: 2 screens determine the graphical quality of two games? eh?

Quote: The shots look the same as the actual game You need glasses.

Quote: I guess these Halo 2 players made it to the championship based upon dumb luck? There are always those that rise above. The few that never make a mistake :roll:

The fact you are unable to argue gameplay is very telling.....