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Kilo Tango
Joined: 12 Apr 2006
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Location: D.C.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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Alizard wrote: Black Sheep 5 wrote: Well I can't find any quotes from Congressman Murtha making a broad generalization, but I can't find any quotes from republicans saying he did either. I am now totally confused as to where the hell I heard he made a broad stereotype about marines.
Murtha made a statement about Marines murdering civilians. he was accurate.
Quote: By Kristin Roberts | August 3, 2006
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The head of the U.S. Marine Corps briefed Rep. John Murtha on the Haditha case after the vocal war critic publicly said Marines had killed innocent civilians in that Iraqi city, the Corps said on Thursday.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/08/03/general_briefed_murtha_after_murder_comment_corp_says/
Here's the problem:
Quote: On May 17, for example, he said at a news conference, "Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood."
The way he says it is inflammatory.
The other criticism is that he should not comment on a pending case. Maybe valid, but the problem is the admin had been hiding such cases and lying as standard course (Tilmann, Jessica Lynch, et al).... so that criticism can not be made since public disclosure was the only way to force them to do something. Has the Haditha case been adjudicated?
Didn't think so.
Murtha accused our troops of murder. It was an outrageous statement made by someone who's made a career out of supposedly supporting the military. Even tv news refers to murderers caught at the scene with a smoking gun in their hands as "alleged" murders, but Murtha didn't even have that common decency. He's pure human garbage and I can tell you first hand that's what the military thinks about him. |
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Enlightened Despot
Joined: 29 Oct 2006
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Location: de Gothia
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Heinz wrote: Quote: The reason Murtha got attacked was because he made ACCURATE statements about murders committed by US servicemen and that was perceived by his critics as a traitorous act.
My main problem with what he said wasn't the actual words but more the context and situation. He said they were guilty before an investigatioon had even been started.
He took it upon himself to be judge, jury and executioner.
This is America, right?
Innocent until proven guilty?
Tell that to all the "terrorist" suspects gathered in secret prisons all over the world including Guatanamo Bay.... |
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Heinz
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Location: Philadelphia
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Tell that to all the "terrorist" suspects gathered in secret prisons all over the world including Guatanamo Bay....
I will.....So when can we have fair trials for everyone?
You seem more worried about people in Gitmo then you do these soldiers...Do they not all have rights?
Innocent until proven guilty goes for everyone, not just your terrorist buddies, and not just soldiers.
EVERYONE. |
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The Newb
Joined: 06 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Kilo Tango wrote: I can tell you first hand that's what the military thinks about him.
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Enlightened Despot
Joined: 29 Oct 2006
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Heinz wrote: Quote: Tell that to all the "terrorist" suspects gathered in secret prisons all over the world including Guatanamo Bay....
I will.....So when can we have fair trials for everyone?
Yes, that would be preferable. Regardless of terrorism, we should never lose our principles...then terrorists win. Unfortunately that might already have occured.
Quote: You seem more worried about people in Gitmo then you do these soldiers...Do they not all have rights?
LOL, nice try. I never said such. But I could say you are more concerned about the suspected murdering soldiers than suspected terrorists/freedom fighter/insurgent/what have you. Yet you have the nerve to say they all have rights. Hypocrisy smells. A lot. All I said is that A LOT of people are currently in prisons and camps without any trials. Hmm, I thought you went to trial first and then prison. People have been incarcerated in Gitmo for what 5 years...yet no trial. Sounds weird.
When it comes to soldiers that have acted dishonurably, the trials tend to be more speedy...they usually don't take 5+ years...
Quote: Innocent until proven guilty goes for everyone, not just your terrorist buddies, and not just soldiers.
EVERYONE.
Actually it doesn't. Soldiers get away with a lot more especially US soldiers (not that I have anything particular against US soldiers, although several British soldiers that have fought with them do) . Oh and the terrorist buddy comment was unneccesary and immature. But I guess thats all you got. And interesting you call them terrorist when no trial has even been conducted (which is why I use "suspect"). Hypocrisy smells...remember
Though I agree we should not judge them until they have been convicted regardless of who they are...unfortunatelt the "War on Terrorism" don't agree there. |
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