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Sands · Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 882

The Russian wrote: Secondly, that land was NEVER, I repeat, EVER, palestinian... Palestinian was an ethnic term for people living on Egyptian and Jordanian land... please read carefully... they ...have ...never ...owned ...a ...country ...called ...palestine.

That's funny because I have a book called "A World Atlas of Military History, 1861-1945" sitting next to me that shows maps of the Middle East. There is an upright rectangular shaped piece of land bordered by the Mediterranean Sea, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. This piece of land is clearly labeled...

PALESTINE

Misprint?? Typographical error???

Swampfox.f · Joined: 08 Nov 2006 Posts: 248

The only thing I can say about this is we shouldn't be involved.

The Russian · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 384 Location: Buffalo, NY

Sands wrote: The Russian wrote: Secondly, that land was NEVER, I repeat, EVER, palestinian... Palestinian was an ethnic term for people living on Egyptian and Jordanian land... please read carefully... they ...have ...never ...owned ...a ...country ...called ...palestine.

That's funny because I have a book called "A World Atlas of Military History, 1861-1945" sitting next to me that shows maps of the Middle East. There is an upright rectangular shaped piece of land bordered by the Mediterranean Sea, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. This piece of land is clearly labeled...

PALESTINE

Misprint?? Typographical error???

it is a territory, governeed by Egypt or Jordan durring different time period, not a country.

Sands · Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 882

The Russian wrote: Sands wrote: The Russian wrote: Secondly, that land was NEVER, I repeat, EVER, palestinian... Palestinian was an ethnic term for people living on Egyptian and Jordanian land... please read carefully... they ...have ...never ...owned ...a ...country ...called ...palestine.

That's funny because I have a book called "A World Atlas of Military History, 1861-1945" sitting next to me that shows maps of the Middle East. There is an upright rectangular shaped piece of land bordered by the Mediterranean Sea, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. This piece of land is clearly labeled...

PALESTINE

Misprint?? Typographical error???

it is a territory, governeed by Egypt or Jordan durring different time period, not a country.
Wrong....The Territorial government was run by Palestinians, The land was inhabited by Palestinians.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Ameriman wrote: slitedeviance wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Watch the video and see what radical Islamists are teaching their children. It's the exact same type of anti-semitism that was taught to children in Nazi Germany.

It's nothing thats not being taught to kids in homes down my streets about Muslims. It's nothing that isn't being said in Japan about the Chinese. It's awful, freely admitted, but it's not unique to Muslims or Islam. It is down to people not religion. If we are to condemn the radicals in Islam for this, we need to do the same to the people who want to kick all the muslims out the UK, or send them to the gas chambers (and this gets mentioned where I work as an effective solution).

Justifying it away won't make it go away...

Hmm... perhaps you missed the part in the post where I stated:

Quote: It's awful, freely admitted

The reason I bring up the other mindsets of people like the Japanese is that certain people, adhering to certain political and religous views, like to act as though Islam is the only danger to people, that Islam is the reason for extremist hatred around the world. Which is incorrect. There are bigots, racists and extermists in every nation, representing every walk of like. This is where the danger lies, and clouding the issue by trying to turn Islam into some kind of international bogey man detracts attention from where it needs to lie.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7749 Location: Petah Tikva

It is irrelivent at this point that the Palestinians never had a state on the land or owned it certaintly we have more pending problams than that especially debating one which even if resolved gets us nowhere. Sure it's true they never had a free agent government on the land or a country there, but what does that really matter now?

The Russian · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 384 Location: Buffalo, NY

Sands wrote: The Russian wrote: Sands wrote: The Russian wrote: Secondly, that land was NEVER, I repeat, EVER, palestinian... Palestinian was an ethnic term for people living on Egyptian and Jordanian land... please read carefully... they ...have ...never ...owned ...a ...country ...called ...palestine.

That's funny because I have a book called "A World Atlas of Military History, 1861-1945" sitting next to me that shows maps of the Middle East. There is an upright rectangular shaped piece of land bordered by the Mediterranean Sea, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. This piece of land is clearly labeled...

PALESTINE

Misprint?? Typographical error???

it is a territory, governeed by Egypt or Jordan durring different time period, not a country.
Wrong....The Territorial government was run by Palestinians, The land was inhabited by Palestinians.

umm..right... and thats why Egypt and Jordan claimed them as their national territory?... because it was governed... by palestinians...righto?

Mr. Sunshine · Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 1324

Stop launching ground to ground rockets from Palestine into Israel and the retaliation will stop; just like it did in Lebanon. All the crying means nothing and the cycle will continue until the Palestinians embrace Fatah for co-existence and turn their backs on Hamas and terror. It is simple math. 8:)

Ameriman · Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 10348

slitedeviance wrote: Ameriman wrote: slitedeviance wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Watch the video and see what radical Islamists are teaching their children. It's the exact same type of anti-semitism that was taught to children in Nazi Germany.

It's nothing thats not being taught to kids in homes down my streets about Muslims. It's nothing that isn't being said in Japan about the Chinese. It's awful, freely admitted, but it's not unique to Muslims or Islam. It is down to people not religion. If we are to condemn the radicals in Islam for this, we need to do the same to the people who want to kick all the muslims out the UK, or send them to the gas chambers (and this gets mentioned where I work as an effective solution).

Justifying it away won't make it go away...

Hmm... perhaps you missed the part in the post where I stated:

Quote: It's awful, freely admitted

The reason I bring up the other mindsets of people like the Japanese is that certain people, adhering to certain political and religous views, like to act as though Islam is the only danger to people, that Islam is the reason for extremist hatred around the world. Which is incorrect. There are bigots, racists and extermists in every nation, representing every walk of like. This is where the danger lies, and clouding the issue by trying to turn Islam into some kind of international bogey man detracts attention from where it needs to lie.

Where does it need to lie? I don't see the Japanese or the KKK walking into civilian buildings and blowing themselves up. I mean I can understand the continuing education and combating of ignorance but Islam has a very big blight that is being swept under the rug and written off as the product of a few fundamentalists. That is ultimately where our attention needs to lie...unfortunately that is not politically correct...

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 30142 Location: North America

But the KKK did blow up buildings with people in them.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Mr. Sunshine wrote: Stop launching ground to ground rockets from Palestine into Israel and the retaliation will stop; just like it did in Lebanon. All the crying means nothing and the cycle will continue until the Palestinians embrace Fatah for co-existence and turn their backs on Hamas and terror. It is simple math. 8:)

Embrace a party that for years and years stole their money, provided nothing for them, stalled the peace process and has links with the most militant palestinian organisation ever?

Ameriman · Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 10348

leftneckredwing wrote: But the KKK did blow up buildings with people in them.

50 years ago. I try and live in the present...especially when presently there is a danger to be dealt with.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Ameriman wrote: Where does it need to lie? I don't see the Japanese or the KKK walking into civilian buildings and blowing themselves up. I mean I can understand the continuing education and combating of ignorance but Islam has a very big blight that is being swept under the rug and written off as the product of a few fundamentalists. That is ultimately where our attention needs to lie...unfortunately that is not politically correct...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not turning round and trying to excuse what these people say or spew, but I'm sat here in my office, with people talking about such charming ideas as "Deportation Camps" for the muslim community right this second. Now, I'm sure you agree that we don't want to see anything like the holocaust perpetrated against any people regardless of religous or sexual orientation or the colour of their skin. I think the war on terror has produced a mindset amongst certain types of people which is massively dangerous, and being aware of this is as important as being aware of what the idiots in the ME are spouting.

F*** being politically correct, f*** trying to excuse any of it. Anyone advocating genocide or killings based on religion or origin needs close attention.

Ameriman · Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 10348

slitedeviance wrote: Ameriman wrote: Where does it need to lie? I don't see the Japanese or the KKK walking into civilian buildings and blowing themselves up. I mean I can understand the continuing education and combating of ignorance but Islam has a very big blight that is being swept under the rug and written off as the product of a few fundamentalists. That is ultimately where our attention needs to lie...unfortunately that is not politically correct...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not turning round and trying to excuse what these people say or spew, but I'm sat here in my office, with people talking about such charming ideas as "Deportation Camps" for the muslim community right this second. Now, I'm sure you agree that we don't want to see anything like the holocaust perpetrated against any people regardless of religous or sexual orientation or the colour of their skin. I think the war on terror has produced a mindset amongst certain types of people which is massively dangerous, and being aware of this is as important as being aware of what the idiots in the ME are spouting.

F*** being politically correct, f*** trying to excuse any of it. Anyone advocating genocide or killings based on religion or origin needs close attention.

I agree but I haven't seen anyone advocating genocide or killings based on religion alone.

programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 909

figaro wrote:

For your information ; the largest number of Jews in the middle east outside of Israel, exist in Iran

so what? that's still 20,000 out of 60 million.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html

Ameriman · Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 10348

programmusic wrote: figaro wrote:

For your information ; the largest number of Jews in the middle east outside of Israel, exist in Iran

so what? that's still 20,000 out of 60 million.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html

Now we should discuss what those 20,000 Jews have to deal with just to live in Iran.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7749 Location: Petah Tikva

Is that supposed to be impressive? The vast bulk of Jews were forced out of their Arab countries when the 1948 war came about compounded with harsh home discrimination those who werent evicted had mostly already immigrated to Israel. Iranian Jews were shielded by the Shah and US-British-Soviet influence. The vast bulk of Jews from Iran have since either left out of persicution or immigrated and the community shrinks all the time.

BOggThe1rst · Joined: 16 Oct 2006 Posts: 93

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: BOggThe1rst wrote: The Israeli government is fully responsible for the downfall of its Nation.
This Government's only language is that of violence, abuse and manipulative lies for the real innocents in all of this are the Israeli civilians who have been deceiptfully led to believe such a state is viable.

Israel has not been able to crush a group of 3000 Hezbollah fighters given that Israel had FULL technological advantage,
This speaks a lot about the artificial state.

Regardless of the effectiveness of Israel against Hezbollah & Hamas,
do you assign any accountability upon Hezbollah & Hamas for the initial actions perpetrated by those organizations
which brought about the retaliation of the Israeli's ?
I have two other posts in this thread, neither of which has been commented on.
I wonder why that is ?

The initial provocation could be debated forever,
To blame it on one side rather than the other is pretty shallow.
There is always 2 sides to a medal and to limit yourself to 1 is to willingfully embrace ignorance.

Black Sheep 5 · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 1776 Location: Phoenix

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Black Sheep 5 wrote: Quote: JERUSALEM — A Palestinian rocket fired from Gaza exploded on a street in southern Israel on Wednesday, killing one passerby, critically injuring another, and raising the possibility of a new Israeli military offensive against militant rocket squads.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,229517,00.html

If Mexico was sending rockets across the border would you be willing to shell rocket firing sites?

All those who harbor Anti-Israeli sentiment will never take accountability for actions from their side.
They all seem to suffer from a like-minded mentality as this story illustrates.
Robber Sues Victims After They Beat Him
Quote: ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) Jun 12 2006 -- A man is suing an auto-parts store for assault and battery after he attempted to hold up the business and employees responded by beating him with a metal pipe.

Dana Buckman, 46, walked into an auto shop brandishing a semiautomatic pistol last summer, only to have it turned on him by two AutoZone employees, police said. The men beat Buckman with a metal pipe and held him with his own gun.

Buckman escaped and was arrested a week later.

He pleaded guilty to first-degree robbery and was sentenced to 18 years in prison as a repeat violent felon.

Buckman claims the men chased him out of the store and continued to beat him.
He is suing the auto shop and the men for the injuries he suffered and for emotional distress.
??? I am pro-Israel, and I would be willing to shell potential Mexican rocket sites.

Richard Owl Mirror · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9002

Black Sheep 5 wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Black Sheep 5 wrote: Quote: JERUSALEM — A Palestinian rocket fired from Gaza exploded on a street in southern Israel on Wednesday, killing one passerby, critically injuring another, and raising the possibility of a new Israeli military offensive against militant rocket squads.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,229517,00.html

If Mexico was sending rockets across the border would you be willing to shell rocket firing sites?

All those who harbor Anti-Israeli sentiment will never take accountability for actions from their side.
They all seem to suffer from a like-minded mentality as this story illustrates.
Robber Sues Victims After They Beat Him
Quote: ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) Jun 12 2006 -- A man is suing an auto-parts store for assault and battery after he attempted to hold up the business and employees responded by beating him with a metal pipe.

Dana Buckman, 46, walked into an auto shop brandishing a semiautomatic pistol last summer, only to have it turned on him by two AutoZone employees, police said. The men beat Buckman with a metal pipe and held him with his own gun.

Buckman escaped and was arrested a week later.

He pleaded guilty to first-degree robbery and was sentenced to 18 years in prison as a repeat violent felon.

Buckman claims the men chased him out of the store and continued to beat him.
He is suing the auto shop and the men for the injuries he suffered and for emotional distress.
??? I am pro-Israel, and I would be willing to shell potential Mexican rocket sites.

Where did I insinuate any of that in my post ?