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[Sucker Punch]

leftneckredwing wrote: Sucker Punch wrote: Longhorn wrote: Israel is killing killer muslims who want to kill every last one of them. They are dealing with scum who blow themselves up in the name of allah in an attempt to kill as many women and children as possible. All Israel needs is a bunch of self righteous (yet internationally insignificant) canadians to tell them how to defend themselves from these killer muslims. On top of that, lets not get our information from a terrorist supporting source. Hell, if you were to get all of your information from the arabs, you would think the whole world is causing them to be terrorists.

It sickens me that you would have the audacity to have a MLK avatar and support such a hateful people that act totally opposite of what MLK preached. He wasn't about blowing up little babies like your killer muslim cohorts.

Wow, what an elitist hate monger.

He's banned. Ignore his posts.

Couldnt tell because his tag still says fake account. Thanks.

[cap'n queasy]

slitedeviance wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Eradicating "zionism" is clearly a euphemism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3z-B7L8LQ4

So it's an assumption you're making, and it's not the same as...

Quote: constantly talking about eradicating Jews

?

Watch the video and see what radical Islamists are teaching their children. It's the exact same type of anti-semitism that was taught to children in Nazi Germany.

[slitedeviance]

Wow, that was quick! Go super mods or some such...

[slitedeviance]

cap'n queasy wrote: Watch the video and see what radical Islamists are teaching their children. It's the exact same type of anti-semitism that was taught to children in Nazi Germany.

I will watch it after I'm free of the shackles of work, and the firewall, but I can probably guess something...

It's nothing thats not being taught to kids in homes down my streets about Muslims. It's nothing that isn't being said in Japan about the Chinese. It's awful, freely admitted, but it's not unique to Muslims or Islam. It is down to people not religion. If we are to condemn the radicals in Islam for this, we need to do the same to the people who want to kick all the muslims out the UK, or send them to the gas chambers (and this gets mentioned where I work as an effective solution).

[leftneckredwing]

slitedeviance wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Watch the video and see what radical Islamists are teaching their children. It's the exact same type of anti-semitism that was taught to children in Nazi Germany.

I will watch it after I'm free of the shackles of work, and the firewall, but I can probably guess something...

It's nothing thats not being taught to kids in homes down my streets about Muslims. It's nothing that isn't being said in Japan about the Chinese. It's awful, freely admitted, but it's not unique to Muslims or Islam. It is down to people not religion. If we are to condemn the radicals in Islam for this, we need to do the same to the people who want to kick all the muslims out the UK, or send them to the gas chambers (and this gets mentioned where I work as an effective solution).

We preach a lot of hate in the US. And we have a vast superiority complex.

I can't imagine why anyone can't see we're the best in all things, never wrong about anything and only have the best intentions for the rest of the world, unless we hate them, of course.

[slitedeviance]

leftneckredwing wrote: We preach a lot of hate in the US. And we have a vast superiority complex.

I can't imagine why anyone can't see we're the best in all things, never wrong about anything and only have the best intentions for the rest of the world, unless we hate them, of course.

I think thats one of the things that really irks me about the whole situation with Israel / Palestine and the wider picture. Under the PLO the Palestinians could at least talk to the US, as well as the Israelis. The US Administration was seen as the best hope for resolving the issue because they were trusted by both sides, but the goodwill, and with it the US' ability to resolve the situation alone, has gone.

It took over a thousand Israeli and Lebanese civilian deaths for the current administration to pay anything more than lip-service to the peace process. The decision to cut off the Hamas admionistration financially was coupled with six years of no progress and constant tit for tat reprisals between the peoples. Now, whatever peoples opinions of Clinton, he at least moved towards peace. He understood how the game needed to be played in the ME and put pieces in place for the future.

[leftneckredwing]

slitedeviance wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: We preach a lot of hate in the US. And we have a vast superiority complex.

I can't imagine why anyone can't see we're the best in all things, never wrong about anything and only have the best intentions for the rest of the world, unless we hate them, of course.

I think thats one of the things that really irks me about the whole situation with Israel / Palestine and the wider picture. Under the PLO the Palestinians could at least talk to the US, as well as the Israelis. The US Administration was seen as the best hope for resolving the issue because they were trusted by both sides, but the goodwill, and with it the US' ability to resolve the situation alone, has gone.

It took over a thousand Israeli and Lebanese civilian deaths for the current administration to pay anything more than lip-service to the peace process. The decision to cut off the Hamas admionistration financially was coupled with six years of no progress and constant tit for tat reprisals between the peoples. Now, whatever peoples opinions of Clinton, he at least moved towards peace. He understood how the game needed to be played in the ME and put pieces in place for the future.

It wouldn't seem unreasonable to at least talk with the people that were displaced after nearly 2000 years.

In an eternal war, I'm not sure how it can be sorted out.

But IMHO, we should probably just stay out of it all together.

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: but it's not unique to Muslims or Islam. My point, in fact, was quite the opposite of this view.

I clearly said "radical Islamists" had the same anti-semitic world-view as Nazis did in Germany immediately prior to the Holocaust. These types of groups are political entities, and have little to do with religion at all, other than it's use as a propaganda tool to foster unit cohesion. When these types of hate based groups get their hooks into any culture bad things happen.

Any culture can be suseptible to the spread of anti-semitism, and racism in general, it is like a sociological disease or something. It's not unique to any culture in the slightest.

[BOggThe1rst]

The Israeli government is fully responsible for the downfall of its Nation.
This Government's only language is that of violence, abuse and manipulative lies for the real innocents in all of this are the Israeli civilians who have been deceiptfully led to believe such a state is viable.

Israel has not been able to crush a group of 3000 Hezbollah fighters given that Israel had FULL technological advantage,
This speaks a lot about the artificial state.

[The Russian]

Vargo wrote: “I will avenge; I will avenge”, screamed a relative of one of those who perished in the Israeli artillery attack on Beit Hanoun, on Wednesday morning, Nov. 8

Quote: “God is greater than Israel and America,” was the echoing cry of tens of thousands of Palestinians, who descended into the graveyard in grief stricken Beit Hanoun, in the northern Gaza Strip. They congregated in yet another familiar scene, to bury their loved ones, killed by Israel’s brutal war against the Palestinians. This time, the loss is too great to bear, even by the standards of the people of Gaza: Eighteen ambulances lined up, carrying the mutilated bodies of eighteen members of the same extended family, the great majority of whom were women and children; all civilians.

While a man initiates the burial ceremony by stepping forward carrying the lifeless body of his one-year-old baby; the tough posture that Gaza’s men often wish to exhibit was overshadowed by incomprehensive grief; relatives and friends were collapsing in droves; others reached toward the sky, in despair. Only God could hear them now. Two more tiny bodies, swaddled in white made their way through the crowd; more followed.

The total number of those killed in the Israeli bombing of the civilian neighborhood rose to 20, to be added to over 50 others killed earlier in the same Israeli military assault dubbed “Clouds of Autumn”, which converged mainly on Beit Hanoun; the latest two figures are to be included in the overall count of the 350 Palestinians killed since last June, in the wider military operation carried out in Gaza and dubbed “Summer Rains.”




This is the quik and main point if your more interested the read this
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=88826&d=15&m=11&y=2006
Isreal is obviously doing more wrong then right...What the hell do they hope to accomplish? To fight the people who are fighting back to take isreal off their land... and seriously they are making it worse now there is obviously more of a chance for them to be attacked on isreali land (formerly Palestinian). Who is isreal fighting again...refresh my mind are they fighting the fighters who are fighting isreal off the land OR is isreal fighting the Civilians :think: what do you think?

Firstly, what they are trying to do is prevent attacks on Israel, and no matter how theyve been critisized for their policy of building a fence and raids into palestine to sieze all the weapons that pile up from Egypt... the attacks have dropped, the suicide bombers that make it into israel has dropped, and a general feeling of well-being is spreading, and the arabs hate it.

Secondly, that land was NEVER, I repeat, EVER, palestinian... Palestinian was an ethnic term for people living on Egyptian and Jordanian land... please read carefully... they ...have ...never ...owned ...a ...country ...called ...palestine.

They have been offered to own land for the first time in history on several occasions and have declined it in turn for violence, theres a reason why neither Hamas nor the new Unity government recognize the existance of Israel or a two-state solution... to support Palestine is to support a single state solution in their favour, to support Israel is to support the only two state solution that can bring peace... DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

[slitedeviance]

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: but it's not unique to Muslims or Islam. My point, in fact, was quite the opposite of this view.

I clearly said "radical Islamists" had the same anti-semitic world-view as Nazis did in Germany immediately prior to the Holocaust. These types of groups are political entities, and have little to do with religion at all, other than it's use as a propaganda tool to foster unit cohesion. When these types of hate based groups get their hooks into any culture bad things happen.

Any culture can be suseptible to the spread of anti-semitism, and racism in general, it is like a sociological disease or something. It's not unique to any culture in the slightest.

Sorry, I shouldn't have implied that you were simply accusing Muslims as the only group to propagate this.

I'm just very wary at the moment, with the pure amount of racist talk of genocide i hear every day (and I mean Final Solution level ideas). I just want to scream that the danger lies in all sides, and focusing solely on the hatred of certain muslims detracts from wider awareness of these base idiots.

[CountryGuy]

The point again? Right now, Israel has stated it was an accident - A technical error for which they've apologized, and offered restitution.

Call for an independent investigation if you wish, but until there some form of fact to dispute what Israel has stated, this is sensationalism at its finest.

[slitedeviance]

The Russian wrote: theres a reason why neither Hamas nor the new Unity government recognize the existance of Israel or a two-state solution... to support Palestine is to support a single state solution in their favour, to support Israel is to support the only two state solution that can bring peace... DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Erm.... actually you can support the Palestinian people and express solidarity towards them without wanting a one state solution. It's called having a wider perspective.

The Palestinian militant organisations are responsible for retarded actions that have brought serious repercussions on their people. They harbour criminals and must be disarmed and brought into the political process.

The Israelis are unable to manage the Palestinians and need to realise this, before they cause any more unnecesary deaths and hatred through their own retarded actions.

[The Russian]

slitedeviance wrote: The Russian wrote: theres a reason why neither Hamas nor the new Unity government recognize the existance of Israel or a two-state solution... to support Palestine is to support a single state solution in their favour, to support Israel is to support the only two state solution that can bring peace... DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Erm.... actually you can support the Palestinian people and express solidarity towards them without wanting a one state solution. It's called having a wider perspective.

The Palestinian militant organisations are responsible for retarded actions that have brought serious repercussions on their people. They harbour criminals and must be disarmed and brought into the political process.

The Israelis are unable to manage the Palestinians and need to realise this, before they cause any more unnecesary deaths and hatred through their own retarded actions.

Both Hamas and the Unity govt are products of the electorial process, meaning people voted them in... the people of palestine, thus, dont want a two-state solution, and the Fatah party that agreed to the unity government didnt make it a priority either, no matter how many weapons condoleza rice gave them to fight Hamas.

To support Palestinian solidarity, is to support their wish for the non-existance of Israel, because they are not willing, nor prepared to accept a two-state solution, as they have showed not just through their leadership, but their votes.

[cap'n queasy]

slitedeviance wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: but it's not unique to Muslims or Islam. My point, in fact, was quite the opposite of this view.

I clearly said "radical Islamists" had the same anti-semitic world-view as Nazis did in Germany immediately prior to the Holocaust. These types of groups are political entities, and have little to do with religion at all, other than it's use as a propaganda tool to foster unit cohesion. When these types of hate based groups get their hooks into any culture bad things happen.

Any culture can be suseptible to the spread of anti-semitism, and racism in general, it is like a sociological disease or something. It's not unique to any culture in the slightest.

Sorry, I shouldn't have implied that you were simply accusing Muslims as the only group to propagate this.

I'm just very wary at the moment, with the pure amount of racist talk of genocide i hear every day (and I mean Final Solution level ideas). I just want to scream that the danger lies in all sides, and focusing solely on the hatred of certain muslims detracts from wider awareness of these base idiots.

It's cool, I understand what you are here. It is a very dangerous situation from all sides, I'll certainly agree with that.

In, fact that is a very good insight into the amount of danger we are facing. It's more than many folks comprehend. These radicals understand our weaknesses and use them against us, and intrigue liking dividing folks in the US has been an endeavor in which they have been fairly successful.

It's the old divide and conquer strategy

[CountryGuy]

I'm convinced at this point that the armed groups in Palestine will never disband. In fact, they could "wipe Israel from the face of the earth", and I still think they would stay armed, running the country as warlords in their fiefdoms.

[Ameriman]

figaro wrote: [q

It sickens me that creatures like yourself are allowed to exist and post on this forum .

Yup...sounds like the Palestinian approach to peace with Israel...

Quote: If anyone criticising that loathsome Zionist state of Israel were to post in a similar vein, he, she, it, would promptly excluded from this forum.

Wonder what the precise functions really are; of the so called "moderators" of this forum,?

That cowardly Zionist state of Israel can only exist with big brother USA's
protection. The USA is getting a deserved hiding in Iraq, as it did in Viet Nam.

Israel got a taste of what lies in store for it, when it fought the Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Neither the USA, nor loathsome Zionists can fight a prolonged war; they're both broiler chickens.

Arabs and Iranians can continue fighting to the last man, woman and child.

Arabs and Iranians will not go meekly to gas chambers in a cowardly fashion and tiresomely resurrect "holocausts".

Gee...and people wonder why negotiation with this mentality fails...hopefully this will give all of you Israel-hating types a wake-up call to what they are dealing with.

[Ameriman]

slitedeviance wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Watch the video and see what radical Islamists are teaching their children. It's the exact same type of anti-semitism that was taught to children in Nazi Germany.

I will watch it after I'm free of the shackles of work, and the firewall, but I can probably guess something...

It's nothing thats not being taught to kids in homes down my streets about Muslims. It's nothing that isn't being said in Japan about the Chinese. It's awful, freely admitted, but it's not unique to Muslims or Islam. It is down to people not religion. If we are to condemn the radicals in Islam for this, we need to do the same to the people who want to kick all the muslims out the UK, or send them to the gas chambers (and this gets mentioned where I work as an effective solution).

Why is it that when the failings of Islam are brought into light it is immediately compared to the failings of other things... As if the failings of the Japanese mindset has anything to do with the failings of Islam.

Justifying it away won't make it go away...

[Richard Owl Mirror]

BOggThe1rst wrote: The Israeli government is fully responsible for the downfall of its Nation.
This Government's only language is that of violence, abuse and manipulative lies for the real innocents in all of this are the Israeli civilians who have been deceiptfully led to believe such a state is viable.

Israel has not been able to crush a group of 3000 Hezbollah fighters given that Israel had FULL technological advantage,
This speaks a lot about the artificial state.

Regardless of the effectiveness of Israel against Hezbollah & Hamas,
do you assign any accountability upon Hezbollah & Hamas for the initial actions perpetrated by those organizations
which brought about the retaliation of the Israeli's ?
I have two other posts in this thread, neither of which has been commented on.
I wonder why that is ?

[Ameriman]

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: BOggThe1rst wrote: The Israeli government is fully responsible for the downfall of its Nation.
This Government's only language is that of violence, abuse and manipulative lies for the real innocents in all of this are the Israeli civilians who have been deceiptfully led to believe such a state is viable.

Israel has not been able to crush a group of 3000 Hezbollah fighters given that Israel had FULL technological advantage,
This speaks a lot about the artificial state.

Regardless of the effectiveness of Israel against Hezbollah & Hamas,
do you assign any accountability upon Hezbollah & Hamas for the initial actions perpetrated by those organizations
which brought about the retaliation of the Israeli's ?
I have two other posts in this thread, neither of which has been commented on.
I wonder why that is ?

I don't. Logic has a way of turning people off.