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Zadoc
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:07 am Post subject: Guiliani's First Amendment Problem |
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Former NYC Mayor Rudolph Guiliani is often portrayed as a fiscial conservative and a social liberal. The 'social liberal' stamp comes from his support of limited abortion rights and limited gay rights.
As an aside, gay right ands abortion rights are a given - no president will be able to abolish or slow progress on either - ever.
Anyhow, Mr. Guiliani is no fan of the First Amendment.
The NYCLU does have a link to a small amount of First Amendment cases against the former mayor.
However, one of my favorite abuses of power/Constitutional violations that his administration committed is detailed below.
Guiliani threatened a public art museum with the powers of his office for protecting the rights of an artist's free speach. What makes it worse, is that not only is it a freedom of speech violation, it is also a violation of freedom of religions expression.
I think that Guiliani is the most likely GOP nominee in 2008. He will be beat by a democrat who may not be able to define himself on issues of economics or abortion, but on civil rights and privacy.
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It’s no surprise. Mayor Giuliani has lost yet another First Amendment case, this time concerning the Brooklyn Museum. For six years he has been a concerted enemy of free speech in general and artistic expression in particular. Now, in a last ditch attempt to salvage his latest failed attempt at politically motivated censorship, the Mayor and his legal henchman, Corporation Counsel Michael D. Hess, are attacking the museum for allegedly using the show to economically benefit the Sensation exhibits owner, art dealer Charles Saatchi.
"This is all about dollar signs," Giuliani said Monday. "It isn't about free speech. It's actually a desecration of the First Amendment, as much as it is a desecration of religion, to use the First Amendment as a shield in order to take money out of the taxpayers' pockets in order to put that money into the pockets of multimillionaires." Giuliani wants us to believe that because the Brooklyn Museum receives public tax dollars, it cannot promote privately owned art in a way that would increase its value or benefit its owner.
Let’s be real. Every major art museum in NYC receives public tax dollars. At the same time, they were all created and continue to exist primarily to promote the reputation of their art collections and the public image of the billionaires that own or donated them. The largest single promoter of art in NYC is the Phillip Morris company, a cultural promoter whose tobacco products have killed tens of millions of people. The boards of directors of the Museum of Modern Art, the Whitney and the Metropolitan Museum of Art are the wealthiest, and in some case most corrupt, real estate developers in the City and are at the same time the Mayor’s top campaign contributors. Every tax dollar spent on those museums directly benefits the reputation, social standing, political clout and business interests of those same board members.
Public employee Giuliani doesn’t merely allow but is deeply involved in promoting the business interests and reputation of corporations like the Yankees, American Express and Disney on publicly owned property. As part of these events millions of dollars in tax money are used for police for sanitation and for the salaries of Giuliani appointees who spend much of their time organizing and facilitating these same events. Every Disney promotion in Central Park and every Yankee pep rally on the steps of City with it’s politically exclusive guest list is just such a misuse of tax dollars.
Even more to the point, these events are being supported and facilitated by the Mayor in order to gain political advantage. His staff and every person he’s appointed to head a NYC agency spend virtually their entire time promoting the Mayor’s political image while collecting a fat salary at taxpayer expense. Even the most crucial City agencies like the police, Social Services and Public Health upon whose impartial performance civil society depends, are nothing more than political operatives in the Giuliani machine. Every decision they make has as its sole purpose the exaltation of Rudy Giuliani.
The only art Giuliani truly understands is the art of propaganda of which he is an expert practitioner. Giuliani knows the power artists have to undermine his credibility through the use of even a single image such as the little Hitler-like mustache I’ve added to his portraits over the years. Fearing the power of art, he knows he must not allow such dangerous freedom to exist in the hands of anyone not securely in his camp. That’s why he has had me falsely arrested 40 times since becoming Mayor.
If the Rockefeller’s Museum of Modern Art had shown Chris Olfilli’s work the Mayor would have said nothing. In fact, last year he gave MOMA, which insists on showing art stolen from Jews by the Nazis, a $65 million dollar gift from the taxpayers.
The Mayor’s own 1998 photo show in SoHo was sponsored by Leica cameras, a company that has publicly admitted using Jewish slave labor during WWII. Among the Mayor’s biggest corporate sponsors and beneficiaries is Chase Bank, a Rockefeller company that helped the Nazis close Jewish bank accounts during the war and turned the money over to the Third Reich. Are these facts not more offensive than an African artist who is himself a Catholic using elephant dung on a portrait of the Madonna?
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eynon
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:40 am Post subject: Re: Guiliani's First Amendment Problem |
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Quote: Fearing the power of art, he knows he must not allow such dangerous freedom to exist in the hands of anyone not securely in his camp.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
THE POWER OF PISS CHRIST COMPELS YOU!
the only thing dangerous about most artists is their inflated sense of self worth.......... |
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Zadoc
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Guiliani's First Amendment Problem |
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eynon wrote: Quote: Fearing the power of art, he knows he must not allow such dangerous freedom to exist in the hands of anyone not securely in his camp.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
THE POWER OF PISS CHRIST COMPELS YOU!
the only thing dangerous about most artists is their inflated sense of self worth..........
While that is very funny, and I did laugh... It does not give a politican the right to censor art, especially when religion is involved. |
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Moracca
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Forget the 1st Amendment, Rudy won't win because of the 2nd Amendment. He's a gun grabber. |
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Zadoc
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Moracca wrote: Forget the 1st Amendment, Rudy won't win because of the 2nd Amendment. He's a gun grabber.
He will win the primary.
His gun stance is a non-issue.
No poll shows that Americans want automatic weapons and grenade launchers on the streets. |
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Rhoades
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Zadoc wrote: Moracca wrote: Forget the 1st Amendment, Rudy won't win because of the 2nd Amendment. He's a gun grabber.
He will win the primary.
His gun stance is a non-issue.
No poll shows that Americans want automatic weapons and grenade launchers on the streets.
no poll shows that Americans want gays to be married. His gun stance will be an issue. |
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Moracca
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Zadoc wrote: Moracca wrote: Forget the 1st Amendment, Rudy won't win because of the 2nd Amendment. He's a gun grabber.
He will win the primary.
His gun stance is a non-issue.
No poll shows that Americans want automatic weapons and grenade launchers on the streets.
Rudy wanted to ban handguns from NYC. This will be a campaign issue in the primaries. And if you poll Republicans they will say that the 2nd Amendment is important to them. His gun stance may be a non-issue to you, but he'll have to drag that dog through the primaries before the left will have any say. |
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Snoop
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Moracca wrote: Zadoc wrote: Moracca wrote: Forget the 1st Amendment, Rudy won't win because of the 2nd Amendment. He's a gun grabber.
He will win the primary.
His gun stance is a non-issue.
No poll shows that Americans want automatic weapons and grenade launchers on the streets.
Rudy wanted to ban handguns from NYC. This will be a campaign issue in the primaries. And if you poll Republicans they will say that the 2nd Amendment is important to them. His gun stance may be a non-issue to you, but he'll have to drag that dog through the primaries before the left will have any say.
Well what ever happens the republicans are going to make for some vary interesting viewing in 2008.
RNC is now chaired by the biggest amnesty proponent in congress (of any party).
The two most likely candidates were once considered way to far to the left.
Sounds like a major party policy shift is in the wind. |
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Rhoades
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Snoop wrote: Moracca wrote: Zadoc wrote: Moracca wrote: Forget the 1st Amendment, Rudy won't win because of the 2nd Amendment. He's a gun grabber.
He will win the primary.
His gun stance is a non-issue.
No poll shows that Americans want automatic weapons and grenade launchers on the streets.
Rudy wanted to ban handguns from NYC. This will be a campaign issue in the primaries. And if you poll Republicans they will say that the 2nd Amendment is important to them. His gun stance may be a non-issue to you, but he'll have to drag that dog through the primaries before the left will have any say.
Well what ever happens the republicans are going to make for some vary interesting viewing in 2008.
RNC is now chaired by the biggest amnesty proponent in congress (of any party).
The two most likely candidates were once considered way to far to the left.
Sounds like a major party policy shift is in the wind.
So basically we're going to have to liberal parties. I predict the rise of a third party finally. hopefully. |
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stilldizzy
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Zadoc wrote:
No poll shows that Americans want automatic weapons and grenade launchers on the streets.
That is because nobody was stupid enough, until you arrived, to think that automatic weapons, or grenade launchers ever was a issue. Rudi is against ALL handgun ownership. Well all except his political friends who were issued permits in NY. :hi: |
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eynon
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Guiliani's First Amendment Problem |
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Zadoc wrote: eynon wrote: Quote: Fearing the power of art, he knows he must not allow such dangerous freedom to exist in the hands of anyone not securely in his camp.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
THE POWER OF PISS CHRIST COMPELS YOU!
the only thing dangerous about most artists is their inflated sense of self worth..........
While that is very funny, and I did laugh... It does not give a politican the right to censor art, especially when religion is involved.
no sir, yes sir.......he does not have the right to censor art sir............ALTHOUGH when the city is paying to support said art, it does have the right to say "hey guys, clean it up or we're pulling funding." |
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Moracca
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Snoop wrote: Moracca wrote: Zadoc wrote: Moracca wrote: Forget the 1st Amendment, Rudy won't win because of the 2nd Amendment. He's a gun grabber.
He will win the primary.
His gun stance is a non-issue.
No poll shows that Americans want automatic weapons and grenade launchers on the streets.
Rudy wanted to ban handguns from NYC. This will be a campaign issue in the primaries. And if you poll Republicans they will say that the 2nd Amendment is important to them. His gun stance may be a non-issue to you, but he'll have to drag that dog through the primaries before the left will have any say.
Well what ever happens the republicans are going to make for some vary interesting viewing in 2008.
RNC is now chaired by the biggest amnesty proponent in congress (of any party).
The two most likely candidates were once considered way to far to the left.
Sounds like a major party policy shift is in the wind.
I don't even know who the RNC chairman is. Doesn't really matter though. The GOP doesn't represent conservatives anymore anyway. |
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eynon
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Moracca wrote: Snoop wrote: Moracca wrote: Zadoc wrote: Moracca wrote: Forget the 1st Amendment, Rudy won't win because of the 2nd Amendment. He's a gun grabber.
He will win the primary.
His gun stance is a non-issue.
No poll shows that Americans want automatic weapons and grenade launchers on the streets.
Rudy wanted to ban handguns from NYC. This will be a campaign issue in the primaries. And if you poll Republicans they will say that the 2nd Amendment is important to them. His gun stance may be a non-issue to you, but he'll have to drag that dog through the primaries before the left will have any say.
Well what ever happens the republicans are going to make for some vary interesting viewing in 2008.
RNC is now chaired by the biggest amnesty proponent in congress (of any party).
The two most likely candidates were once considered way to far to the left.
Sounds like a major party policy shift is in the wind.
I don't even know who the RNC chairman is. Doesn't really matter though. The GOP doesn't represent conservatives anymore anyway.
Martinez...........not that it matters, cause you're right, the GOP is not conservative anymore....... |
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perdidochas
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Zadoc wrote: Moracca wrote: Forget the 1st Amendment, Rudy won't win because of the 2nd Amendment. He's a gun grabber.
He will win the primary.
His gun stance is a non-issue.
No poll shows that Americans want automatic weapons and grenade launchers on the streets.
Republicans are not going to choose an anti-gun, pro-abortion, serial adulterer for their presidential nominee. |
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Black Sheep 5
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Zadoc wrote: Moracca wrote: Forget the 1st Amendment, Rudy won't win because of the 2nd Amendment. He's a gun grabber.
He will win the primary.
His gun stance is a non-issue.
No poll shows that Americans want automatic weapons and grenade launchers on the streets. The recent Black Sheep 5 poll shows that nearly 100% of potential voters polled desire some form of AGL (automatic grenade launcher) in the hands of adolescents from ages 14-16. |
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Sucker Punch
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perdidochas wrote: Zadoc wrote: Moracca wrote: Forget the 1st Amendment, Rudy won't win because of the 2nd Amendment. He's a gun grabber.
He will win the primary.
His gun stance is a non-issue.
No poll shows that Americans want automatic weapons and grenade launchers on the streets.
Republicans are not going to choose an anti-gun, pro-abortion, serial adulterer for their presidential nominee.
God I hope they do. |
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stilldizzy
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Black Sheep 5 wrote:
The recent Black Sheep 5 poll shows that nearly 100% of potential voters polled desire some form of AGL (automatic grenade launcher) in the hands of adolescents from ages 14-16.
Really? I thought it was the 7.62x54 Drag. for ages 10-12. and the Barrett .50 for ages 12-14. :twisted: My 8 year old can swap out a FCG in a Milled Arsenal AK in 73 seconds. :-D |
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Moracca
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| With everything that has been stated in here, if national security is your number 1 issue then so far Rudy is the best candidate to step forward. He's also tough on crime. |
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Revenant
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Guiliani's First Amendment Problem |
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eynon wrote: Quote: Fearing the power of art, he knows he must not allow such dangerous freedom to exist in the hands of anyone not securely in his camp.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
THE POWER OF PISS CHRIST COMPELS YOU!
the only thing dangerous about most artists is their inflated sense of self worth..........
Post of the Day
:rofl:
"Postmodernism" is a joke. |
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eynon
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Guiliani's First Amendment Problem |
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Revenant wrote: eynon wrote: Quote: Fearing the power of art, he knows he must not allow such dangerous freedom to exist in the hands of anyone not securely in his camp.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
THE POWER OF PISS CHRIST COMPELS YOU!
the only thing dangerous about most artists is their inflated sense of self worth..........
Post of the Day
:rofl:
"Postmodernism" is a joke.
I aim to amuse...... :wink:
not all Post-modern s*cks though........dada, pop, and neo-dada are pretty cool :) |
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