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Vakten · Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 3132 Location: Virginian

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov14/0,4670,VaticanMigrants,00.html

You know...reading this makes me wanna get a couple hundred people together, and go visit the Vatican and camp out in tents in the Vatican Square with a video camera and see how fast we get kicked out, then pop the video on U-Tube under the caption "practice what you preach Pope."

I'm sick of listening to that hypocrit.

Rhoades · Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 1169 Location: Pennsylvania

screw the pope

ubikk · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 2303

It's a stupid idea. I don't know what democrats in Congress want to do about immigration, but most democrat citizens want the government to enforce laws against businesses who hire them.

If we stop giving them jobs, they'll stop coming over to look for them.

Swampfox.f · Joined: 08 Nov 2006 Posts: 248

Maybe the vatican would be kind enough to spend some of the money it has "aquired" throughout history to relieve us here in America of unjust bills caused by the illegal immigrants? Maybe he could just give back the money that the catholic churches here in America and mexico send home to the Vatican? It is a very hypocritical stance for the church to say anything about what we do to defend our boarder.

ontheyslay · Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 274 Location: Michigan

It's a ridiculous idea, a fence wont stop people from coming in. It's a waste of money.

ubikk · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 2303

Swampfox.f wrote: Maybe the vatican would be kind enough to spend some of the money it has "aquired" throughout history to relieve us here in America of unjust bills caused by the illegal immigrants?...

No offense, but the Catholic church does quite a bit for poor people worldwide. They spend more money and resources than the United States does helping poor people around the world.

flamboyant · Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 1881

Vakten wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov14/0,4670,VaticanMigrants,00.html

You know...reading this makes me wanna get a couple hundred people together, and go visit the Vatican and camp out in tents in the Vatican Square with a video camera and see how fast we get kicked out, then pop the video on U-Tube under the caption "practice what you preach Pope."

I'm sick of listening to that hypocrit.

I like that idea. 8:)

Swampfox.f · Joined: 08 Nov 2006 Posts: 248

ubikk wrote: Swampfox.f wrote: Maybe the vatican would be kind enough to spend some of the money it has "aquired" throughout history to relieve us here in America of unjust bills caused by the illegal immigrants?...

No offense, but the Catholic church does quite a bit for poor people worldwide. They spend more money and resources than the United States does helping poor people around the world.

Prove that assertation.

Snake · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject:

F*ck that guy. Even though I think the fence is a retarded waste of money that won't do anything, f*ck the pope for talkin' sh*t. For real....

Vakten · Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 3132 Location: Virginian

ubikk wrote: It's a stupid idea. I don't know what democrats in Congress want to do about immigration, but most democrat citizens want the government to enforce laws against businesses who hire them.

If we stop giving them jobs, they'll stop coming over to look for them.

What if they create their own jobs?

Don't you realize that it's sometimes easier for a improvrished illegal immigrant to live here unemployed then it is to live in Mexico?

Just because we remove the legal jobs from them isn't going to get rid of them.

They will simply turn to the underworld, and they have already.

We cut most routes on the border for marijuana to come in, and now Mexicans are crossing the border with MJ seeds, and planting farms up in the hills of US states.

This provides huge employment for illegal immigrants, and has become at "least" a 2 billion a year industry, and they did not need "us" to find this "job".

Getting "rid" of them, means two things.

One, we either legalize drugs, or we do the right thing as a people and ween ourselves off drugs so that it doesn't provide them employment. (I'll let the lefties and righties argu this point cause I do not want to get into it other then saying I don't believe that drugs are a good thing.)

The other thing is we have to start getting mean with these invaders to our nation and stop sending them mixed signals as to whether we want them here or not.

We either let everyone come in and watch this nation turn into a part of Mexico, or we suck it up, and start putting bounties on their heads and kicking em out.

Vakten · Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 3132 Location: Virginian

ubikk wrote: Swampfox.f wrote: Maybe the vatican would be kind enough to spend some of the money it has "aquired" throughout history to relieve us here in America of unjust bills caused by the illegal immigrants?...

No offense, but the Catholic church does quite a bit for poor people worldwide. They spend more money and resources than the United States does helping poor people around the world.

Only if you take all the US Tax dollars that Catholics payed away from the "US" catagory, and put it into the "Vatican" catagory...=p

Vercingetorix · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 473

Geez... everyone just hates the Pope, don't they? It's not like he's some evil dictator threatening the world with nuclear weapons.

Patriarch · Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 289

Perhaps the Pope forgot about Martin Luther and the reformation. This is why the church ought to stay out of the political spectrum. God does not have a certain political Agenda so neither should the pope.

Vercingetorix · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 473

Quote: Perhaps the Pope forgot about Martin Luther and the reformation. This is why the church ought to stay out of the political spectrum. God does not have a certain political Agenda so neither should the pope.

I'm going to pretend you didn't just say what you did about the Pope and the Reformation, and imagine instead you actually have your history correct. 8:)

The pope doesn't have a political agenda; he just comments on what is moral and what is immoral.

Time Lord · Joined: 14 Nov 2006 Posts: 67 Location: Baltimore, MD

Quote: If we stop giving them jobs, they'll stop coming over to look for them.

I agree. Bush keeps saying it's impossible to deport 12 million illegals. But if the businesses that hire them got fined big time, they'd leave on their own. Look what happened to that town in Pennsylvania that passed a law holding businesses liable. Their illegal population has dropped to almost zero.

A fence won't do it. Fines will.

Vakten · Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 3132 Location: Virginian

Vercingetorix wrote: Geez... everyone just hates the Pope, don't they? It's not like he's some evil dictator threatening the world with nuclear weapons.

I find our insecure border to be more dangerous then any other problem we face.

If a dictator with nuclear weapons is going to attack the United States, is going to be blowing up from the inside of the US, not by some missle.

Either smuggled in just like illegal aliens and drugs are, or shipped in on container ships.

Thus on my list of people I'm not to fond of when it comes to American National Security, Pope Benedict, and Pope John Paul before him where not my favorite of people.

They do more damage then anything some Iranian or North Korean dictator could ever do.

Vakten · Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 3132 Location: Virginian

Vercingetorix wrote: Quote: Perhaps the Pope forgot about Martin Luther and the reformation. This is why the church ought to stay out of the political spectrum. God does not have a certain political Agenda so neither should the pope.

I'm going to pretend you didn't just say what you did about the Pope and the Reformation, and imagine instead you actually have your history correct. 8:)

The pope doesn't have a political agenda; he just comments on what is moral and what is immoral.

Yah, because he's the keeper of what's moral and immoral isn't he? /sarcasm

I'm not a Catholic, and I do not recognize his authority one bit.

Vercingetorix · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 473

O.K.

But still, if the pope calls it inhumane, why do you care? It's not like he actually decides policy. Besides, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Snake · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject:

Vercingetorix wrote: Geez... everyone just hates the Pope, don't they? It's not like he's some evil dictator threatening the world with nuclear weapons. No, I don't hate the pope, I just think he needs to realise that America is like Gods kingdom or something, and that he can't talk sh*t about us because it's a sin.

Patriarch · Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 289

Vercingetorix wrote: Quote: Perhaps the Pope forgot about Martin Luther and the reformation. This is why the church ought to stay out of the political spectrum. God does not have a certain political Agenda so neither should the pope.

I'm going to pretend you didn't just say what you did about the Pope and the Reformation, and imagine instead you actually have your history correct. 8:)

The pope doesn't have a political agenda; he just comments on what is moral and what is immoral.

Your right. And securing your nations border is not immoral the last time I checked.

Now I am catholic myself, but if the pope told me to go vote democratic in the next elections I'd tell him to take a hike. This is why the pope, and the church in general should not take any political stances.

Saying that Abortion is immoral and what not is fine, on that I do agree. But telling the US how to manage it's borders is not fine.