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[Revenant]

Resistance: Fall of Man



Getting impressive reviews. Even though the system is far too expensive for a console, rabid Sony fans should check this out.

[FCTE]

So, the Wii has next gen Mario Kart. Check out the killer advanced physics of the mushroom being thrown, very real.

[Revenant]

FCTE wrote: So, the Wii has next gen Mario Kart. Check out the killer advanced physics of the mushroom being thrown, very real.



Actually he loads it into the engine and uses it as a boost. He doesn't throw mushrooms, NOOB!

[Vexillum]

Xbox 360 finally got its killer game, Gears of War.

The PS3 did it even before release points to the PS3 being a stronger system.

Now that blue-ray movie rentals are available, the PS3 is a good price. For practical purposes, the PS3 is just $100 more than the 360. For that $100, you get games that should be a step above the 360, along with a blu-ray player (high-definition movies!). (the cheap 360 is too crippled, the cheap PS3 isn't).

[FCTE]

I'm starting to lean toward a PS3. I'm awaiting it's online service before I make that decision.

If you compare pricing and functionality, even with the PS3's price tag it seems like a better value. Xbox 360 still lacks any knock you on your ass games, only having GoW to show off.

The Xbox 360 comes with only a 20GB drive and that is mostly filled with spam and garbage right out of the box. In order to use the DVD function you have to buy Microsoft's proprietary remote for and extra $130 bringing the price up to $530 and if you want HiDef DVD playback you need the $199 add on disk drive bringing the price of the Xbox 360 with all functions up to $729.

The PS3 has roughly the same specs as far as processing and graphics, it has a Bluray disk player that you don't need some add on remote to use right out of the box. The high end model comes with a 60GB drive giving you three times the storage for a $600 price tag, $129 cheaper than the Xbox 360 with 40GB's more storage. Plus it has true backwards compatibility for not only ALL PS2 games, but also all PS1 games. It's going to have a killer game upon release and it's sure to have more titles than the 360 could ever dream. It also has web browsing via Opera browser and comes with Linux, which is sure to be 1,000 more stable than some hacked up version of Windows 2000.

The only potential strike I see against the PS3 is their online service which no one really knows what it's really like so far, but it took Xbox Live a long time to take off so it may be a rough start before it gets the recognition it needs.

The one thing I will say about Sony is that they have opened their console up to open source development. The Xbox 360 is locked down tighter than a drum with its hardware keys and locked processor, while new hacks come out everyday you risk having your 360 shut off permanently and loss of warranty. While the only risk with tampering with a PS3 is losing your warranty, but they have stated they have no problem with you swapping out your drives for much larger drives and even writing applications and games from scratch for the PS3, while Microsoft and Xbox still remain completely closed.

The PS3 simply has much more potential, but I'd still wait to get the bugs out of it and see what the online service is like. The 360 has nothing to offer other than GoW and no game, no matter how sweet, is not worth $470, it will eventually be released for PC anyway.

[Melchior]

FCTE wrote: In order to use the DVD function you have to buy Microsoft's proprietary remote for and extra $130 bringing the price up to $530

Uh... no you don't.

I've been watching movies on this thing for a while now and can navigate the menu with my controller.

[FCTE]

Melchior wrote: FCTE wrote: In order to use the DVD function you have to buy Microsoft's proprietary remote for and extra $130 bringing the price up to $530

Uh... no you don't.

I've been watching movies on this thing for a while now and can navigate the menu with my controller.

Well that was the case with the original, ok, so it's an even match then. $600 for both, but you get 40GB more storage space with the PS3.



What is the point of this then?

[Venom]

Quote: Xbox 360 finally got its killer game, Gears of War
Yes GoW is a pretty awesome game.

Quote: The PS3 did it even before release points to the PS3 being a stronger system.
Call of Duty 2 on the 360 was given a 9.0 from IGN... Resistance got 9.1... that's not quite a "killer game".
GRAW was given a 9.2 from IGN. A higher score.
Now I have yet to play Resistance, so I can't say if it's awesome or a run of the mill shooter. However from what I've read it's not a pure system seller.

Also how does this in anyway make it a stronger system if they have a game released that has the score of Call of Duty 2? Based upon the scores the 360 has the same track record.

Quote: Now that blue-ray movie rentals are available, the PS3 is a good price
The PS3 isn't a bad deal if you want a blue-ray player, however it's a video game console first and foremost.

Quote: For practical purposes, the PS3 is just $100 more than the 360. For that $100, you get games that should be a step above the 360, along with a blu-ray player (high-definition movies!).
An incorrect statement... why? Because the PS 3 does not come with HD cables out of the box.. so (no high-definition games or movies!).

Quote: the cheap 360 is too crippled, the cheap PS3 isn't
While I agree that the 360 Core is not worth buying, it is not a "crippled" machine compared to the Premium. The difference is a wired versus wireless controller, lack of HD, and component cables.
If you buy a 360 just to play games on and nothing else all you need is a memory stick.

FCTE
Quote: I'm awaiting it's online service before I make that decision
Read up... they already have anounced their online system is not completely unified like Xbox Live!

Quote: In order to use the DVD function you have to buy Microsoft's proprietary remote for and extra $130 bringing the price up to $530
Somehow I am able to use my 360 to watch DVDs without buying MS' remote...
Could it be user error? :lol:
Debunked.. yet another false statement.

Quote: if you want HiDef DVD playback you need the $199 add on disk drive bringing the price of the Xbox 360 with all functions up to $729
Of course this is incorrect because your total price is based upon debunked information. However with that said... if you want to play HD DVD movies you can invest $200 extra dollars more. Why? Because this is a video game console... not a HD DVD player.

Quote: The high end model comes with a 60GB drive giving you three times the storage for a $600 price tag, $129 cheaper than the Xbox 360 with 40GB's more storage
While the PS 3 does have a larger HD... does not mean you can "fit" as much as you need for the same amount of games. Why?
Because some of the PS 3 games have parts that are installed onto your HD taking up several gigs of space per game. So while yes it does support a larger HD... apparently if you have a large collection of PS 3 games... you might not have enough room.

Quote: Plus it has true backwards compatibility for not only ALL PS2 games, but also all PS1 games.
Amazing... one question... if you loved these games so much why did don't you play them on your PS 1 or PS 2?
:lol:
Sony has also decided to not enhance these games in any way on the PS3 which while

Quote: It's going to have a killer game upon release and it's sure to have more titles than the 360 could ever dream.
Resistance? :lol:
The game is apparently on the level of Call of Duty 2 according to reviews.
As for the PS 3 have more games than the 360 could ever dream....
The Sony Exclusive title list clocks in at 43 titles.
The 360 is at 105 titles.
List


Quote: The only potential strike I see against the PS3 is their online service which no one really knows what it's really like so far, but it took Xbox Live a long time to take off so it may be a rough start before it gets the recognition it needs.

People already know that it's not a unified system like Xbox Live!. This is probably the best feature of Live!... being that everything is uniform and unified.
Also people do know a bit about their online already...
Quote: Insomniac Games' Resistance: Fall of Man will not be integrated with the console's online functionality, specifically the built-in buddy list - instead, it will use its own buddy list, clan management system, and so on
Source

Quote: The one thing I will say about Sony is that they have opened their console up to open source development
Sony has? You mean like they do their other products such as the PSP???
Quote: Sony is engaged in a tug-of-war with hackers who keep cracking its PlayStation Portable software to unlock the device and run their own applications on it. The company is preparing another update to the PSP firmware to fix a recently disclosed bug that lets hackers downgrade the PSP system software, a Sony representative said Thursday
[url=http://digg.com/tech_news/Sony_cracks_down_on_PSP_hacks]
Source[/url]

Quote: The Xbox 360 is locked down tighter than a drum with its hardware keys and locked processor, while new hacks come out everyday you risk having your 360 shut off permanently and loss of warranty.
False... :roll:

Quote: While the only risk with tampering with a PS3 is losing your warranty, but they have stated they have no problem with you swapping out your drives for much larger drives and even writing applications and games from scratch for the PS3, while Microsoft and Xbox still remain completely closed
Another debunked statement..... here ya go:
Quote: If you followed the announcements at the Game Developers conference a couple of weeks ago, you what this means...it's time to download the free beta of XNA Express. There is about 92 MB of gaming development goodness waiting for you to download and give it a try. Have fun, and maybe one day I'll be posting about the Xbox Live Arcade title that YOU have developed with XNA. By the way, I have XNA's Chris Satchell lined up for this weeks show, so if you have have any XNA questions...now would be a good time to post them.
MS has actually got a team that releases software for users to develop games for the 360...
It that what being completely closed is? :roll:
Seriously research something before you make a post full of made up facts.

Quote: The 360 has nothing to offer other than GoW and no game, no matter how sweet, is not worth $470, it will eventually be released for PC anyway.
This statement makes zero sense...
Let's see you advocate spending $660 for a PS 3 and a game.... yet you don't find it worth it to spend $470 (the games are $60... not 70....) for a "awesome game"....
Also you state that the games will eventually be released on the PC... I guess if they are awesome enough it's worth investing over a $1,000 on a PC to be able to play said game?
Some pretty big holes in your logic here...
:ouch:

Quote: Well that was the case with the original, ok, so it's an even match then. $600 for both, but you get 40GB more storage space with the PS3.
It's still not $600 for both if you want to compare.
Here is what you'd get from the PS 3 for $600:
1 Wireless Controller
60 GB HD
System
AV Cables (do not output in HD)
Power cord
Ethernet Cord
Can play Games/Blue Ray (not in HD out of the box apparently)
The Xbox Premium + HD DVD addon for $600
1 wireless controller
20 GB HD
System
Component Cables (Can output in HD)
Ethernet Cord
Microphone headset
power cord
power brick
HD DVD player
Universal Media Romote
Can play Games/HD Movies in HD....

So the PS 3 has a larger HD in which many games apparently install up to 5 gigs on your HD.... while this isn't on the 360. However it still does have a larger HD which is good to have.
Now the 360 comes with a headset, HD output and a remote for the same cost.... which are also very good to have.
It's cheaper for me to transfer the stuff off my 360 HD to my computer than for me to buy a headset, remote, and HD cables for a PS 3.

The 360 and the PS 3 are video game consoles 1st and foremost. If you like the games on the PS 3 more than the 360 that is fine. If like like Wii games more than a PS 3 or 360 good for you. However there are a lot of hidden costs that run along with trying to to match your PS 3 to the features of the HDDVD addon with a Premium. If you want the remote you'll need to pay more, a headset... pay more... HD cables... pay more (HD being the whole meaning behind the PS 3...)

[wolfgang]

FCTE wrote:
The PS3 simply has much more potential, but I'd still wait to get the bugs out of it and see what the online service is like. The 360 has nothing to offer other than GoW and no game, no matter how sweet, is not worth $470, it will eventually be released for PC anyway.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.

I hate how the uninformed rule the internet.

The $500 or $600 PS3 is a great value if you want a Blu-Ray player. Otherwise, graphically it will eventually be a little better than the 360 (probably, not for sure). You DO NOT get a Remote, Headset with Microphone, or HD cables.

The 360 is the best multimedia box right now. Sony states that they will eventually match the 360. They probably will come close. But you are running Windows probably -- what will interface better with Windows? A Microsoft product or Sony software?

360 has several games that have been reviewed 80% or higher. To name a few: Gears of War, Call of Duty 2, Ghost Recon, Oblivion, Dead Rising, Prey, Splinter Cell, Viva Pinata and more.

Still coming: Too Human, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Forza 2, Assasins Creed, Bioshock, Lost Planet, Mass Effect, Guitar Hero 2, Banjoo Kazioo (sp) etc...

And the rumor on the cover of EGM that Metal Gear Solid will also be ported to the 360. Makes sense from a money standpoint -- the install base of the 360 will be near of past 10 million worldwide after Christmas, the PS3 after Christmas will have an install base of 1 million at best. You can sell a lot more games to 10 million+ than 1 million+ users.

Users will be able to developer 360 games using XNA. 360 is locked down -- which I am happy about, less cheaters online.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/directx/xna/
XNA Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/xna/

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=443325&postcount=1

A list of exclusive PS3, 360 and Wii games.
Totals
Sony Exclusive: 43
Nintendo Exclusive: 57
Microsoft Exclusive: 111

PSWii Exclusives: 100 - Cost: $750
Wii60 Exclusives: 162 - Cost: $650
PS360 Exclusives: 148 - Cost: $900

on Carmack: "They are both powerful systems that are going to make excellent game platforms, but I have a bit of a preference for the 360’s symmetric CPU architecture and excellent development tools," he said. "The PS3 will have a bit more peak power, but it will be easier to exploit the available power on the 360. Our next major title is being focused towards simultaneous release on 360, PS3, and PC."

Source: http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1974&Itemid=2
Read more about development: http://www.gamespy.com/articles/641/641662p2.html
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFUw29U4J8&search=PS3%20Carmack

When asked about the differences in platforms, Carmack noted that there's less of a distinction between developing for the next-gen consoles as there is for this generation. The difference between the Xbox and the PS2 was massive, but going back and forth between the Xbox 360 and the PS3 looks to be less of a problem. (Although still difficult.)
source: http://www.gamespy.com/articles/641/641662p6.html

"The 360 and the PS3 are equal in power in my eyes," Dyack says. "Maybe the PS3 has more processing power. The 360 has more available memory. It's pretty much a net, net. The public perception of the PS3 was that it was much more powerful. To developers, they look even."

Dyack is working on a PS3/360 game for Sega.
source: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/744/744008p1.html

[TheGirlNextDoor]

As just a casual observer and watching non-participant of games.. I'd much rather watch this:









Than this:




I know, I know. I don't play, therefore I don't count. But as a person who will wind up footing the bill for the system and the games.. my kids know I have a say. :lol: The Mario Kart just looks too... cartoonish and primitive.

[Melchior]

I'm pretty sure that's Mario Kart Double Dash. :lol:

Bad example of Wii graphics, that's not even a game on the Wii (shame on FCTE for posting it).

Look at these GND: http://wii.ign.com/objects/748/748589.html

[Venom]

Quote: I know, I know. I don't play, therefore I don't count. But as a person who will wind up footing the bill for the system and the games.. my kids know I have a say. The Mario Kart just looks too... cartoonish and primitive.
Well your the type of person that's going to buy these consoles.. as kids at Christmas want whatever is new. They are going to go for the graphics rather than a Wiimote deal that apparently is gimmicky rather than what it's built up to be.
Graphics sell systems. Otherwise why would we need to keep getting new ones every 5 years or so?

[Sid]

wolfgang wrote: FCTE wrote:
The PS3 simply has much more potential, but I'd still wait to get the bugs out of it and see what the online service is like. The 360 has nothing to offer other than GoW and no game, no matter how sweet, is not worth $470, it will eventually be released for PC anyway.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.

I hate how the uninformed rule the internet.

The $500 or $600 PS3 is a great value if you want a Blu-Ray player. Otherwise, graphically it will eventually be a little better than the 360 (probably, not for sure). You DO NOT get a Remote, Headset with Microphone, or HD cables.

The 360 is the best multimedia box right now. Sony states that they will eventually match the 360. They probably will come close. But you are running Windows probably -- what will interface better with Windows? A Microsoft product or Sony software?

No, dude, you lose. It doesn't matter if you've been here a day or a year, you know what OS FCTE is running.

[PricklySponge]

wolfgang wrote:
But you are running Windows probably
.... do you have avatars and sigs turned off or something? :?

[PricklySponge]

TheGirlNextDoor wrote: As just a casual observer and watching non-participant of games.. I'd much rather watch this:









Than this:




I know, I know. I don't play, therefore I don't count. But as a person who will wind up footing the bill for the system and the games.. my kids know I have a say. :lol: The Mario Kart just looks too... cartoonish and primitive. You are the first mom i've ever seen that would prefer getting the shooting/killing game for her kids. GND is teh awsome

-note. those were assumptions. dont kill me

[Venom]

Quote: No, dude, you lose. It doesn't matter if you've been here a day or a year, you know what OS FCTE is running.
Are you saying FCTE does not run Windows?

Quote: I'm stuck with it for PC games unfortunately, but I'll strip it down to the bare essentials for running games and gut all the Microsoft I can out of it.
This a comment after FCTE conceded that he was going to upgrade to Windows Vista for DX 10. Note, FCTE does indeed run Windows believe it or not :shock:

Quote: No, dude, you lose. It doesn't matter if you've been here a day or a year, you know what OS FCTE is running.
Apparently you missed out on many threads where FCTE pointed out that was forced to run windows for many of his PC games and how is upgrading to Vista for DX 10.
So apparently Wolfgang wins. Hand him a prize :rotf:

[PricklySponge]

Venom wrote: Quote: No, dude, you lose. It doesn't matter if you've been here a day or a year, you know what OS FCTE is running.
Are you saying FCTE does not run Windows?

Quote: I'm stuck with it for PC games unfortunately, but I'll strip it down to the bare essentials for running games and gut all the Microsoft I can out of it.
This a comment after FCTE conceded that he was going to upgrade to Windows Vista for DX 10. Note, FCTE does indeed run Windows believe it or not :shock:

Quote: No, dude, you lose. It doesn't matter if you've been here a day or a year, you know what OS FCTE is running.
Apparently you missed out on many threads where FCTE pointed out that was forced to run windows for many of his PC games and how is upgrading to Vista for DX 10.
So apparently Wolfgang wins. Hand him a prize :rotf:
ubuntu is his primary operating system, I believe.

Wolfgang assumed fcte ran windows. wolfgang loses.

[TheGirlNextDoor]

Venom wrote: Quote: I know, I know. I don't play, therefore I don't count. But as a person who will wind up footing the bill for the system and the games.. my kids know I have a say. The Mario Kart just looks too... cartoonish and primitive.
Well your the type of person that's going to buy these consoles.. as kids at Christmas want whatever is new. They are going to go for the graphics rather than a Wiimote deal that apparently is gimmicky rather than what it's built up to be.
Graphics sell systems. Otherwise why would we need to keep getting new ones every 5 years or so?

Then you don't know me very well.... I do not buy my kids whatever they want just because they want it. They are still playing on a PS2 that I bought for them when it came out and was the latest 'thing'.

[TheGirlNextDoor]

Venom wrote: Quote: No, dude, you lose. It doesn't matter if you've been here a day or a year, you know what OS FCTE is running.
Are you saying FCTE does not run Windows?

Quote: I'm stuck with it for PC games unfortunately, but I'll strip it down to the bare essentials for running games and gut all the Microsoft I can out of it.
This a comment after FCTE conceded that he was going to upgrade to Windows Vista for DX 10. Note, FCTE does indeed run Windows believe it or not :shock:

Quote: No, dude, you lose. It doesn't matter if you've been here a day or a year, you know what OS FCTE is running.
Apparently you missed out on many threads where FCTE pointed out that was forced to run windows for many of his PC games and how is upgrading to Vista for DX 10.
So apparently Wolfgang wins. Hand him a prize :rotf:

Check your PM's.

[FCTE]

PricklySponge wrote: ubuntu is his primary operating system, I believe.

Tis true. A great deal of games run natively on Linux like UT2004, Quake, Doom, and Neverwinter Nights. Other games like Steam based games and WoW can run on Cedega or Wine. On average they run faster and more stable in Linux.

My Windows partition is for programs and games that are too troublesome like the EVE client and Rosetta Stone which requires Shockwave which has not been hacked/recompiled for Linux yet.