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Kilo Tango · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 9388 Location: D.C.

The party of unity and oversight is already at odds with each other. The new speaker isn't above cronyism as she is advocating that her old pal John "earmark" Murtha become the majority leader while most of the Dems want Hoyer. This is in addition to her desire to name an impeached judge to head the intelligence committe!

Quote: Pelosi backing Murtha for majority leader

By Michael McAuliff

New York Daily News

(MCT)

WASHINGTON - After promising to deliver the "most honest, most open, and most ethical" government in history, Democratic Speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi is endorsing a pal for majority leader seen by watchdogs as among Washington's most corrupt politicians.

Pelosi is backing Pennsylvania Rep. John Murtha - who led Democrats in renouncing the Iraq war - over Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland.

The move infuriated reform groups, including Citizens for Responsible Ethics in Washington, which slammed Murtha last summer for steering hundreds of millions in taxpayer funds to clients of his lobbyist brother and former staffers.

Those clients donated more than $500,000 to Murtha in the last two elections, according to CREW, which blasted Murtha for his "pay to play schemes."

"This may be the quickest abandonment of a campaign promise ever," said CREW's head, Melanie Sloane. "This is a betrayal."
Murtha was listed in CREW's report, "Beyond DeLay: The 20 Most Corrupt Members of Congress."

"If they're trying to run on reform ... he's an odd choice," said Steve Ellis, head of Taxpayers for Common Sense.

Murtha is legendary for getting Democratic votes for Republican initiatives in return for pork, Ellis said.
Hoyer had been seen as the likely leader, but Pelosi's endorsement seemed to be swaying some Democrats.

"If the speaker raps your knuckles, you knuckle down," one Democratic staffer said.

Pelosi may also name an impeached federal judge, Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., to head the Intelligence Committee.

GOP operatives were gleeful.

"This gives people like me some fodder to say, `See, what did we tell you they'd do?'" said consultant Rich Galen. "Thank you, Nancy Pelosi."
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/16007300.htm

Murtha has already come out and claimed he was being Swiftboated by Hoyer and his backers and has blasted back that Hoyer is "stay the course" (as opposed to cut and run).

Quote: "I am disconcerted that some are making headlines by resorting to unfounded allegations that occurred 26 years ago. I thought we were above this type of swift-boating attack. This is not how we restore integrity and civility to the United States Congress," Murtha said of the ample press coverage of his link to Abscam and more recent negotiations he made as ranking Democrat on the Defense Appropriations Committee.

So Pelosi has already divided her party and started the name calling among themselves. So much for the reforms, dignity and progress that was promised. I can't wait to see how she and the Dems work to unite the rest of Washington.

Republicant · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 1545 Location: Inside my skin

Be ready for a lot of this . The new Dems ran on a moderate to conservative campiagn . Pelosi is so far loony left their will be tons of in fighting if not than the new blue dog Dems were lying and will be gone in 2008 .

Zoot · Joined: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 2186

No one is left in US politics. It's a choice between extreme right and even more extreme right.

Dookiestix · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject:

Hoyer is out and Murtha is in. The war basically will drive this process. And Dems who backed Hoyer need to STFU and get in line.

Republicant wrote: Be ready for a lot of this . The new Dems ran on a moderate to conservative campiagn . Pelosi is so far loony left their will be tons of in fighting if not than the new blue dog Dems were lying and will be gone in 2008.
Your worthless labels mean nothing in regards to this subject. How very sad that some continue down this path despite their enormous losses last Tuesday.

Centrist · Joined: 08 Mar 2004 Posts: 4057

Dookiestix wrote: Hoyer is out and Murtha is in. The war basically will drive this process. And Dems who backed Hoyer need to STFU and get in line.

Republicant wrote: Be ready for a lot of this . The new Dems ran on a moderate to conservative campiagn . Pelosi is so far loony left their will be tons of in fighting if not than the new blue dog Dems were lying and will be gone in 2008.
Your worthless labels mean nothing in regards to this subject. How very sad that some continue down this path despite their enormous losses last Tuesday.

Isn't that called clutching at straws?

Dookiestix · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject:

Centrist wrote: Dookiestix wrote: Hoyer is out and Murtha is in. The war basically will drive this process. And Dems who backed Hoyer need to STFU and get in line.

Republicant wrote: Be ready for a lot of this . The new Dems ran on a moderate to conservative campiagn . Pelosi is so far loony left their will be tons of in fighting if not than the new blue dog Dems were lying and will be gone in 2008.
Your worthless labels mean nothing in regards to this subject. How very sad that some continue down this path despite their enormous losses last Tuesday.

Isn't that called clutching at straws?
Why yes, I believe it is. :-D

Tono · Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 11742 Location: Mounted

As opposed to Republicans who kept quiet about their corrupt members.

flamboyant · Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 1881

Man, if you thought Speaker Gingrich made a great target for the Dems to paint as being a "radical" and being "outside the mainstream" just wait 'til you see how much fun we Republicans have with Speaker Pelosi. We don't even have to misrepresent her - her voting record speaks for itself. May play well in San Francisco, but it's not going to play well at all outside your looney liberal enclave. ;)

Rankor and Pissing · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 10231

Dookiestix wrote: Hoyer is out and Murtha is in. The war basically will drive this process. And Dems who backed Hoyer need to STFU and get in line.

Republicant wrote: Be ready for a lot of this . The new Dems ran on a moderate to conservative campiagn . Pelosi is so far loony left their will be tons of in fighting if not than the new blue dog Dems were lying and will be gone in 2008.
Your worthless labels mean nothing in regards to this subject. How very sad that some continue down this path despite their enormous losses last Tuesday.

Losses to moderates you mean... who... better STFU and get in line... no partisan socialist loons here... nope... not a one.

flamboyant · Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 1881

Rankor and Pissing wrote: Dookiestix wrote: Hoyer is out and Murtha is in. The war basically will drive this process. And Dems who backed Hoyer need to STFU and get in line.

Republicant wrote: Be ready for a lot of this . The new Dems ran on a moderate to conservative campiagn . Pelosi is so far loony left their will be tons of in fighting if not than the new blue dog Dems were lying and will be gone in 2008.
Your worthless labels mean nothing in regards to this subject. How very sad that some continue down this path despite their enormous losses last Tuesday.

Losses to moderates you mean... who... better STFU and get in line... no partisan socialist loons here... nope... not a one.

Woo hoo! The San Francisco liberal loonies think they got a mandate in the election. They have no idea how that misconception is going to work out for them.

Ozzone · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject:

flamboyant wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: Dookiestix wrote: Hoyer is out and Murtha is in. The war basically will drive this process. And Dems who backed Hoyer need to STFU and get in line.

Republicant wrote: Be ready for a lot of this . The new Dems ran on a moderate to conservative campiagn . Pelosi is so far loony left their will be tons of in fighting if not than the new blue dog Dems were lying and will be gone in 2008.
Your worthless labels mean nothing in regards to this subject. How very sad that some continue down this path despite their enormous losses last Tuesday.

Losses to moderates you mean... who... better STFU and get in line... no partisan socialist loons here... nope... not a one.

Woo hoo! The San Francisco liberal loonies think they got a mandate in the election. They have no idea how that misconception is going to work out for them.

Of course they think they have a mandate. They were the first ones to criticize the Republicans for declaring a mandate when President Bush got re-elected.

The clear mandate is that the moderates are giving the Democrats a chance to prove themselves worthy of being in control.

The problem is that the Democratic leadership is anything but moderate.

Moracca · Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 2821 Location: ar-Raba, KOM

The Dem win was a win for liberals, but it wasn't a mandate for liberalism. With the Dem majority less than what the GOP majority was added to the fact that many Dems who were elected running on right of center positions you can be sure to see a lot of fighting and arguing coming from the left side of the aisle.

Tono · Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 11742 Location: Mounted

Moracca wrote: The Dem win was a win for liberals, but it wasn't a mandate for liberalism. With the Dem majority less than what the GOP majority was added to the fact that many Dems who were elected running on right of center positions you can be sure to see a lot of fighting and arguing coming from the left side of the aisle.

Can you fix your avatar? I keep clicking it but nothing....

Welcome back.

Moracca · Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 2821 Location: ar-Raba, KOM

Tono wrote: Moracca wrote: The Dem win was a win for liberals, but it wasn't a mandate for liberalism. With the Dem majority less than what the GOP majority was added to the fact that many Dems who were elected running on right of center positions you can be sure to see a lot of fighting and arguing coming from the left side of the aisle.

Can you fix your avatar? I keep clicking it but nothing....

Welcome back.

Oh...sorry. I'll get right on that avatar problem for you Tono, but only for you baby...and your mouse. :P

mODULAR mAN · Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 852 Location: censored

I just am amazed by the idiocy of the Right to call Murtha far Left. it goes to show they have no grasp of reality.
The Right has shown that they care nothing for the military, except to kill them or "swift Boat" them.

It is a sad day in American history that our veterans aren't respected.

Recieving the Bronze Star:

Here he is recieving the American Spirit Honor:

Ozzone · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject:

Murtha isn't far left. He is just far off.

mODULAR mAN · Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 852 Location: censored

Ozzone wrote: Murtha isn't far left. He is just far off.

Which Vet's that are going to return from Iraq are you going to "Swift Boat" in a few years? Or are you already diminishing their sacrifice now? :wink:

Ozzone · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject:

mODULAR mAN wrote: Ozzone wrote: Murtha isn't far left. He is just far off.

Which Vet's that are going to return from Iraq are you going to "Swift Boat" in a few years? Or are you already diminishing their sacrifice now? :wink:

Huh? I have no idea where you are going with this.

Dookiestix · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject:

flamboyant wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: Dookiestix wrote: Hoyer is out and Murtha is in. The war basically will drive this process. And Dems who backed Hoyer need to STFU and get in line.

Republicant wrote: Be ready for a lot of this . The new Dems ran on a moderate to conservative campiagn . Pelosi is so far loony left their will be tons of in fighting if not than the new blue dog Dems were lying and will be gone in 2008.
Your worthless labels mean nothing in regards to this subject. How very sad that some continue down this path despite their enormous losses last Tuesday.

Losses to moderates you mean... who... better STFU and get in line... no partisan socialist loons here... nope... not a one.

Woo hoo! The San Francisco liberal loonies think they got a mandate in the election. They have no idea how that misconception is going to work out for them.
What the hell are you talking about? There was never a misconception to begin with. My STFU was angrily pointed at the Dems to stop their bullsh!t and resolve this by appointing Murtha. Pelosi will move to the center, as her politics are a mix of both liberal AND conservative values. I should know; she's my Congresswoman. And the demonizations of Murtha will only continue as he calls for change in the Iraq war.

Liberal loonies? You don't live here, and you don't have a clue about San Francisco whatsoever.

How sad to hear some rightwingers who've never lived here claim to be an expert on the City.

Dookiestix · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject:

Ozzone wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: Ozzone wrote: Murtha isn't far left. He is just far off.

Which Vet's that are going to return from Iraq are you going to "Swift Boat" in a few years? Or are you already diminishing their sacrifice now? :wink:

Huh? I have no idea where you are going with this.
When another prominent Iraq/Vietnam vet turns against this administration, how will you attack them?

I believe that was the question.