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Visimicus
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject: that of morals |
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What is the concept of morality to you.
religion, laws, individual beliefs?
Heres mine.
I live life.. the way...
i wanna live it.
Laws are nothing and can be avoided.
I have no religion.
The all might and powerful? Me, I make my rules.
Luckily, I grew up a well moralized christian who believed in all the ten commandments.
otherwise, i might just be selling crack in some alley.
If I'm going to be living for someone else... whats the point of living.
I live for me and my significant others.
Its sad, to me, to base your life on something unknown to you, or to some government that can "control" you.
your life is your own, live it the way you want.
"Dream like you will live forever, Live as if you will die today." |
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ieatfood
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:29 am Post subject: |
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morality is a product of human emotion--right and wrong are simply feelings we have deep inside us
laws are products of the legislative process which involves millions of constituents. Their exact intention is difficult to determine.
Religion is belief without evidence. It is based on cheap psychological tricks and is not rational. |
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Fido
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| Morality, simply, is family, then community, and then nation. Morality is the point at which one joins with each of these, where the community accept the individual and the individual accepts the community. I agree with the response that it is based upon emotion, and ultimately that emotion can be traced to the love between mother and child. Deprived of this love it is rare to find a person who is human, let alone moral. |
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British boy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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ieatfood wrote: morality is a product of human emotion--right and wrong are simply feelings we have deep inside us
laws are products of the legislative process which involves millions of constituents. Their exact intention is difficult to determine.
Religion is belief without evidence. It is based on cheap psychological tricks and is not rational.
Religion is not belief without evidence (although to an extent i agree with your sentiment) it is a system of social coherence based on a common group of beliefs or attitudes about something. Faith is the belief in something with evidence unseen. It may seem like im just splitting hairs (I thought that when it was 1st done to me) but the difference is significant.The aim of religion is to make you conform within their paticular society.
Moving back to the question (lol) the only thing necessary to consider is your own individual beliefs. theology is a good idea to help as a basis of developing your own morals but you should not simply adopt them as your own without considering them fully. Laws have nothing explicitly to do with morals, although we hope that the politicians legislate with them in mind. |
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Corona
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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ieatfood wrote: morality is a product of human emotion
Only a fool's morality derives from his emotions.
And Fido, do you study Confucious? I'm no expert, but that sounds sort of like him. |
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Feslin
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Only a fool's morality derives from his emotions.
Only a heartless person never makes choices based on emotion. |
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Corona
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Feslin wrote: Quote: Only a fool's morality derives from his emotions.
Only a heartless person never makes choices based on emotion.
Then I guess I'm nearly heartless. Basing decisions off of emotions is like asking to be killed or taken advantage of.
I recommend you read Thinking As A Hobby, by William Golding. Its's a short essay and shouldn't take more than a few minutes. |
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Feslin
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Then I guess I'm nearly heartless.
Yeah, you are. |
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Corona
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Feslin wrote: Quote: Then I guess I'm nearly heartless.
Yeah, you are.
Thank You. |
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Feslin
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Not a compliment. |
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Corona
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| To me it is. Also to anyone who values reason over emotion, logic over prejudice, truth over faith. |
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Zoot
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Morals are set of socially inherited preferences that cannot be reduced to some other more basic desire. |
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Feslin
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Corona wrote: To me it is. Also to anyone who values reason over emotion, logic over prejudice, truth over faith.
"Reason over emotion."
Emotion is the staple of morality. Reason and emotion are inseperable.
"Logic over prejudice."
Duh. But emotion and logic are inseperable.
"Truth over faith."
Duh. |
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Corona
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Feslin wrote: Emotion is the staple of morality. Reason and emotion are inseperable.
What? Reason is the opposite of emotion in that emotion is biased towards the one feeling it, while reason is completely pure of all bias, and is always reason. No matter who says it, truth is always truth. Prejudice blocks reason. Prejudice is an emotion. Hate blocks reason. Hate is an emotion. Love blocks reason. Love is an emotion. Need I 'separate' more? |
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Feslin
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, I honestly believe that. What's the right thing to do? Whatever causes the most happiness. What's happiness? Emotion. |
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LostSoul3412
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Corona wrote: Feslin wrote: Emotion is the staple of morality. Reason and emotion are inseperable.
Are you serious? Do you actually believe that? If so, then you are a fool.
If you believe that you can completely divde the two within your mind, then you are the fool. |
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Corona
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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LostSoul3412 wrote: Corona wrote: Feslin wrote: Emotion is the staple of morality. Reason and emotion are inseperable.
Are you serious? Do you actually believe that? If so, then you are a fool.
If you believe that you can completely divde the two within your mind, then you are the fool.
Yea, I didn't edit quickly enough. Reason DOES negate some emotions. It furthers others. I apologize. |
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Feslin
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Quote: Reason DOES negate some emotions.
We can agree there. Emotions like anger are dangerous. |
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Fido
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Corona wrote: ieatfood wrote: morality is a product of human emotion
Only a fool's morality derives from his emotions.
And Fido, do you study Confucious? I'm no expert, but that sounds sort of like him.
No, but I have been re reading the Art of War, by Sun-Tzu. I might be getting some of this from my smiling dog. I have always wanted a smiling dog, and my wife and daughter rescued this old black lab called Jack. He's beat up and crippled, but he smiles, and sneezes, because something about smiling makes him sneeze. And some times if I catch him doing something he shouldn't, like getting too close to the road, I'll say Jack! You know better!, and he'll come back smiling and sneezing all the way. The poor old dog needs a family, and now he has us. I'd smile too. It's hard not to smile at a smiling dog.
I must disagree though. Moral training is all based upon love of family, and yet there is no evil we could not do to strangers if we did not feel sympathy, or empathy. It keeps us moral, and keeps us concerned for the morals of others when we can be sensitive to their pain. We can be rational about it; but ratio does not enter into it. |
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Fido
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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Feslin wrote: Quote: Reason DOES negate some emotions.
We can agree there. Emotions like anger are dangerous.
Emotions alone are not nearly so dangerous as the rational without emotional. I have always marveled at how some people, and even some nations can so diminish their emotions as to lose them as a check upon their behavior. Perhaps it is no wonder in a world where people have to compete with machines or produce with the speed of the machine that they should sometimes turn off their emotions, and lose contact with them. But you have to look at people in the grip of the idea, the movement, Communism, or Nazism to glimpse true amorality, or immorality. People generally have a balance of emotion and reason, and too much of either makes a person less than fully human. |
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