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[Aibolit]

fghanistan?

http://www.afghannews.net/index.php?action=show&type=news&id=1093


"Afghanistan's opium production will increase by nearly 50 percent this year to a record 6,100 tonnes after an "alarming" jump in cultivation in the lawless south.

The area of land planted with opium -- of which Afghanistan produces more than 90 percent of world supply -- rose 59 percent this year as compared to last year, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) said Saturday.

The sharp increase in the number of acres planted would lead to a likely harvest of 6,100 tonnes -- a 49 percent hike over the 4,100 tonnes produced the year before."

Is this real results of democracy "made in USA", or what?...
:roll:

[von libertinism]

Aibolit wrote: Is this real results of democracy "made in USA", or what?...
I certainly hope the USA can take some responsibility for the increase in production. I fully support cultivation of poppy.

Afghanistan is using its resources to supply the demand; with such an increased production, opium, morphine, codeine, and heroin prices should drop and availability should rise!

[Passage]

This is a bad thing? Unless the profits are going to a terrorist organization, which I'm sure some are. But that's the effect of banning the poppy. Some farmers have no other way to make money.

[Chingu]

Aibolit wrote: fghanistan?

http://www.afghannews.net/index.php?action=show&type=news&id=1093


"Afghanistan's opium production will increase by nearly 50 percent this year to a record 6,100 tonnes after an "alarming" jump in cultivation in the lawless south.

The area of land planted with opium -- of which Afghanistan produces more than 90 percent of world supply -- rose 59 percent this year as compared to last year, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) said Saturday.

The sharp increase in the number of acres planted would lead to a likely harvest of 6,100 tonnes -- a 49 percent hike over the 4,100 tonnes produced the year before."

Is this real results of democracy "made in USA", or what?...
:roll:

No, it isn't. It is the result of a still young "democracy" which is facing many challenges of which this is one. The south of Afghanistan is the area, including Kandahar, that sees the stongest presence of the old Taliban and militant folks. It is more lawless than the rest of Afghanistan and likely that these people are the ones trying to produce as much as they can as a means of funding for their tyrannic and oppressive aims.
And while you're at it - why don't you ask that question of the multi-nation NATO forces involved in stabilizing Afghanistan there rather than pointing squarely at the United States?

And then you should probably ask yourself if you thought maybe Afghanistan was better off being ruled by the Taliban and Al Qeada? Or does the fact that they've increased Poppy agriculture offset all of that?

[Zadoc]

Aibolit wrote: fghanistan?

http://www.afghannews.net/index.php?action=show&type=news&id=1093


"Afghanistan's opium production will increase by nearly 50 percent this year to a record 6,100 tonnes after an "alarming" jump in cultivation in the lawless south.

The area of land planted with opium -- of which Afghanistan produces more than 90 percent of world supply -- rose 59 percent this year as compared to last year, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) said Saturday.

The sharp increase in the number of acres planted would lead to a likely harvest of 6,100 tonnes -- a 49 percent hike over the 4,100 tonnes produced the year before."

Is this real results of democracy "made in USA", or what?...
:roll:

My question is, where the heck is Russia? Russia suffers the most out of any other country from the Afghan drug trade. More and more Russians are one it, more and more in the military, and as a result of needle use, except for Africa, Russia has the number 1 HIV/AIDS epidemic in the world.

That being said, I don't know why the US doesn't napam the fields from the air, not only in Afghanastan, but also in South America.

[Chingu]

Zadoc wrote: Aibolit wrote: fghanistan?

http://www.afghannews.net/index.php?action=show&type=news&id=1093


"Afghanistan's opium production will increase by nearly 50 percent this year to a record 6,100 tonnes after an "alarming" jump in cultivation in the lawless south.

The area of land planted with opium -- of which Afghanistan produces more than 90 percent of world supply -- rose 59 percent this year as compared to last year, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) said Saturday.

The sharp increase in the number of acres planted would lead to a likely harvest of 6,100 tonnes -- a 49 percent hike over the 4,100 tonnes produced the year before."

Is this real results of democracy "made in USA", or what?...
:roll:

My question is, where the heck is Russia? Russia suffers the most out of any other country from the Afghan drug trade. More and more Russians are one it, more and more in the military, and as a result of needle use, except for Africa, Russia has the number 1 HIV/AIDS epidemic in the world.

Good question

[Ssushi]

The irony is that it is western culture which drives it's own people into these types of drugs, which in term is exploited by the very people who we're fighting...

Why isn't anyone blaming the drug addicts? It's their money (or people who they stole from) which is being used to fund terrorists. If our own governments dealt with drug problems and their root causes, then the terrorists would get less funding. And we wouldn't even have t o leave our own countries to do it... Let alone loose troops in combat.

[Chingu]

Ssushi wrote: The irony is that it is western culture which drives it's own people into these types of drugs, which in term is exploited by the very people who we're fighting...

Why isn't anyone blaming the drug addicts? It's their money (or people who they stole from) which is being used to fund terrorists. If our own governments dealt with drug problems and their root causes, then the terrorists would get less funding. And we wouldn't even have t o leave our own countries to do it... Let alone loose troops in combat.

Well, that's a little simplistic but point taken. Western countries are trying to do something about it - but with, obviously, not enough success. And, I believe the terrorists get funding from other places besides herion production. But, you are properly pointing out that the drug addicts are skating somewhat blamless on this when in fact they are very much to blame.

[slitedeviance]

This shouldn't be that much of an issue if the Big-Pharma companies in the west were genuinly interested in reducing the costs of things such as methodone or codeine. The worlds largest supply of opiate for these substances is there, and the farmers could sure as hell use the money, so legitimise their business. Get Big Pharma in there buying these crops at greatly reduced price from what they're currently paying, which would still provide the farmers with a much higher standard of living and lead to an improvement in the south.

I mean, Afghanistain is apparently about Hearts and Minds, what better way to root out the Taleban than actually providing a decent life for these people by way of trade. No more relying on drug barons associated with the Taleban for funds, more freedom...

[Sucker Punch]

Ssushi wrote: The irony is that it is western culture which drives it's own people into these types of drugs, which in term is exploited by the very people who we're fighting...

Why isn't anyone blaming the drug addicts? It's their money (or people who they stole from) which is being used to fund terrorists. If our own governments dealt with drug problems and their root causes, then the terrorists would get less funding. And we wouldn't even have t o leave our own countries to do it... Let alone loose troops in combat.

:lol: That reminds me of the ridiculous anti-drug commercials they were showing immediately following 9/11 where if you bought a bag of weed from someone - you were supporting the same people that crashed planes into our buildings.

[gavnook]

There are few places poorer than Afghanistan. Why should we want to keep it that way?

[JoeBen81]

von libertinism wrote:
Afghanistan is using its resources to supply the demand; with such an increased production, opium, morphine, codeine, and heroin prices should drop and availability should rise!

Cheap opiates for all. Yipeee! :roll:

[gavnook]

Also, bin Laden had a good place in Afghanistan because the people there were so poor. It was the cheapest place in the world for him to recruit jihadists with his oil money.

[homerjay_s]

The drug trade has been a huge part of the ruling elite's stranglehold upon our society dating back to at least the late 1800's. Check out the Russell Trust Company.

[BastionOfSanity]

homerjay_s wrote: The drug trade has been a huge part of the ruling elite's stranglehold upon our society dating back to at least the late 1800's. Check out the Russell Trust Company.

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[Fido]

Aibolit wrote: fghanistan?

http://www.afghannews.net/index.php?action=show&type=news&id=1093


"Afghanistan's opium production will increase by nearly 50 percent this year to a record 6,100 tonnes after an "alarming" jump in cultivation in the lawless south.

The area of land planted with opium -- of which Afghanistan produces more than 90 percent of world supply -- rose 59 percent this year as compared to last year, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) said Saturday.

The sharp increase in the number of acres planted would lead to a likely harvest of 6,100 tonnes -- a 49 percent hike over the 4,100 tonnes produced the year before."

Is this real results of democracy "made in USA", or what?...
:roll:

Our economic system has failed to keep wealth were it might be utilized for the spread of Western Democracy. The rich who have our money do not want any of it to encourage any silly ideas about democracy, and the rest of us are too poor in it to wish to export any of it. So, here is our national view of drugs and drug use: If you have the drugs of wealth or political power, the ability of the poor to escape from the reality of poverty and powerlessness devalues your life's purpose, and should be fought with every tax payer's tax dollar. Is it worth a war? No. Nothing so proves weakness as violence, and nothing so quickly breaks the bank as war. We did this adventure as a dying man does suicide. We do not have the money to do it; and do not have the money to do it right. We are trying to catch water with a net. We are over reached, and extended beyond our intelligence. This failure at suicide will only make our end that much more painful. Enjoy.

[DMS]

BastionOfSanity wrote: homerjay_s wrote: The drug trade has been a huge part of the ruling elite's stranglehold upon our society dating back to at least the late 1800's. Check out the Russell Trust Company.

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http://www.newscentralasia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=1476


Intresting article on the subject.

[Divinity11]

Aibolit wrote: fghanistan?

http://www.afghannews.net/index.php?action=show&type=news&id=1093


"Afghanistan's opium production will increase by nearly 50 percent this year to a record 6,100 tonnes after an "alarming" jump in cultivation in the lawless south.

The area of land planted with opium -- of which Afghanistan produces more than 90 percent of world supply -- rose 59 percent this year as compared to last year, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) said Saturday.

The sharp increase in the number of acres planted would lead to a likely harvest of 6,100 tonnes -- a 49 percent hike over the 4,100 tonnes produced the year before."

Is this real results of democracy "made in USA", or what?...
:roll:

Why don't we ask our very own CIA?

[Snake]

I heard about the poppy productions in Afghanistan, but I didn't know how big it was. If I didn't fear decapitation so much, I'd go over there and start my own opium trade. Those plants may as well be made of gold and diamonds :)

[The Russian]

Ever since the US entered Afghanistan they aligned themselves with poppy and marijuana growing warlords who were supressed by the Taliban. They purpously dont fight their export of drugs, so they dont shelter taliban and help them fight them.

Countrys around the world have experienced a huge increase in heroin and related opiates flooding the market... Russia is being hit particularly hard and doesnt have the drug war capabilities the USSR had.

To a Russian these seems more like a move by the west to flood the east with drugs, creating this epidemic.

I expect the Russian military to eventualy act on this, or pressure the UN to make the US act on getting rid of the fields of drugs they just ignore while searching for their taliban, that cause a bigger problem around the world than Osama could have ever done...