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[US Retard]

Quote: "If Iraq had veto power too [referring to the US], it would also never be in violation of any security council resolutions." --Noam Chomsky, Hamilton, Nov. 14, 2002
We often encounter the question: why isn't there peace in the Middle East? However, the answer almost never takes into account the lone superpower's unilateral support for the world champion of terrorism.

DemocracyNow.org on Nov. 13, 2006 wrote: U.S. Vetoes UN Resolution on Israeli Attack on Gaza
At the United Nations, the United States vetoed a UN Security Council resolution condemning Israel's recent attack on the Gaza town of Beit Hanoun that killed at least 19 Palestinian civilians and left dozens wounded. One family lost 16 members when Israeli tanks opened fire on their house. Seven children died, the youngest was just a year old. The UN resolution called on Israel to abide by its obligations and responsibilities under the Geneva Convention. It also called on the Palestinian Authority to stop rocket attacks on Israel. The US delegation criticized the resolution for being one-sided.

Quote: U.S. Ambassador John Bolton: "We are disturbed at the language of the resolution that is in many places biased against Israel and politically motivated. Such language does not further the cause of peace and its unacceptability to the United States in previous resolutions is well known."
The U.S veto was widely criticized in part because the United States has repeatedly used its veto to shield Israel from criticism at the United Nations.

Quote: Nasser Al-Kidwa, the Palestinian observer to the UN: "As I said, you know, [the fact that the] Security Council did not adopt this balanced resolution is sending wrong messages. The first one, the wrong message to the extremist on the Israeli side that they are above the law and they can continue this aggression. This aggression has been unfolding for the past five months."
Diplomatically the US has unilaterally shielded Israel from international condemnation at the UN about 40 times. This summer when Israel had already killed over 150 in Lebanon--"almost all of them civilians"--the US unilaterally opposed action of any kind.

DemocracyNow.org on July 17, 2006 wrote: On Saturday [July 15, 2006] the United Nations Security Council again rejected pleas from Lebanon that it call for an immediate cease-fire between Israel and Lebanon. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported the U.S. was the sole member of the 15-nation UN body to oppose any council action at all at this time.
It should be made very clear that at that time 65% of Americans said "the U.S. [should] stay out of the situation" between Israel and Hezbollah according to a CNN poll dated July 19, 2006. A separate USA Today/Gallup Poll from July 21-23, 2006 revealed the same 65% majority opposing US involvement.

Democracy aside, US politicians are almost unanimous in their support for Israel. However, there are dissenters. According to Ralph Nader, the US carries "inescapable responsibility" for the "Israeli government's escalating war crimes".

I agree.

Even with the US veto Israel is the world champion of terrorism by far.According to IsraelNationalNews.com, Israel has been condemned 97 times by the UN Security Council.
According to CapMag.com, from 1967 to 1988 'Israel was "condemned" 49 times, Arab countries not once. In the General Assembly, 429 anti-Israel resolutions were passed in that span. Israel was "condemned" 321 times.'
According to Israel-UN.org, "Nineteen anti-Israel resolutions are adopted by the General Assembly annually."
According to The Weekly Standard, "The U.N. Commission on Human Rights…has issued fully a quarter of its official condemnations to a single (democratic) country: Israel."
According to MiddleEastFacts.com, "The U.N. has passed more resolutions condemning Israel than it has all other nations combined, including Iraq."
According to IfAmericansKnew.org, "Israel is the target of at least 65 UN Resolutions and the Palestinians are the target of none" from 1955-1992. They add, "These resolutions, which now number 66, contain the international community’s list of indictments against the Jewish state."
The UN is composed of 192 countries.

[Heinz]

When the UN can dish out condemnations "proportionately" I might start to take them seriously. Also, Israel is not a member of the UN, if my memory serves me correct.

That's like "codemnation without representation."

[US Retard]

???

Israel has been a member of the UN for over 57 years.
http://www.un.org/Overview/unmember.html

Also, would you please explain what you mean by When the UN can dish out condemnations "proportionately"?

[The Comrade]

US Retard wrote: ???
Also, would you please explain what you mean by When the UN can dish out condemnations "proportionately"?

i'm assuming he means how the UN turns their cheek on just about every single act of terror in the middle east not commited by israel.


although i could be wrong.

[US Retard]

Can you provide any examples?

Did you even read the OP? I specifically underlined the part where the UN addressed Palestine: "It also called on the Palestinian Authority to stop rocket attacks on Israel. "

The UN also condemned Hezbollah this summer. So I'm not sure what you mean.

[Heinz]

Quote: Also, would you please explain what you mean by When the UN can dish out condemnations "proportionately"?

Hmm...let's see

Codemn Israel's every action, but no such codemnation of Palestinian terrorist attacks. I was almost surprised when they passed a resolution against Hizbollah, even though it was never enforced by Lebanon which led to a war 5 years later.

Codemn those who need it, and in this case it would be all parties involved.

Quote: Israel has been a member of the UN for over 57 years.

I did say "if my memory serves me correct."

Well, it didn't.

[Heinz]

Quote: It also called on the Palestinian Authority to stop rocket attacks on Israel

Yea, but no official legislation was passed on the floor of the UN.

This is like simply telling a kid to stop hitting his sister. He'll be back in 5 minutes.

[US Retard]

Heinz wrote: Quote: It also called on the Palestinian Authority to stop rocket attacks on Israel
Yea, but no official legislation was passed on the floor of the UN.

This is like simply telling a kid to stop hitting his sister. He'll be back in 5 minutes.
Kinda like Israel who invaded Gaza in June 2006 and again in late October 2006?

Pleaes keep in mind that neither of these invasions were provoked by Palestine. The strong was (and usually is) the aggressor.

[Heinz]

Quote: Please read the first underlined sentence in the OP. The UN specifically condemned the PA's missile attacks against Israel.

By passing no resolutions or official codemnations. It was merely spoken word.

Hmm....Harsh times.

[Swampfox.f]

Seems to me a little irregular how much Israel gets our attention. They are not America, and I feel our military is a little to close to them for profitability reasons; not for what is good for America.

[maddessa]

Heinz wrote: Quote: Please read the first underlined sentence in the OP. The UN specifically condemned the PA's missile attacks against Israel.

By passing no resolutions or official codemnations. It was merely spoken word.

Hmm....Harsh times.

Is there anymore irrelevant group in history than the UN. We condemn you, big frickin deal, I condemn you back

[Heinz]

Quote: Kinda like Israel who invaded Gaza in June 2006 and again in late October 2006?

Kind of like Hamas who bombed Israel from Gaza?

Do you know why Israel left Gaza at all? So that any attack from gaza could be portrayed, and accurately I must add, as an attack from another country. They left so that Palestinians had to cross recognized borders into Israel and commit attacks, one country to another.

Israel was trying to gain some legitmacy for its counter-attacks.

Quote: Pleaes keep in mind that neither of these invasions were provoked by Palestine. The strong was (and usually is) the aggressor.

You have no clue what you're talking about. These most recent invasions surely were about Palestinian missile attacks.

You have a contempt for Israel that you do not have for Palestinian terrorist groups.

Shame.

[US Retard]

Heinz wrote: Quote: Please read the first underlined sentence in the OP. The UN specifically condemned the PA's missile attacks against Israel.

By passing no resolutions or official codemnations. It was merely spoken word.

Hmm....Harsh times.
How can it pass resolutions when the US vetoes them?

maddessa wrote: Is there anymore irrelevant group in history than the UN. We condemn you, big frickin deal, I condemn you back
The UN is a collection of 192 countries. 'They add, "These resolutions, which now number 66, contain the international community’s list of indictments against the Jewish state."' What you're saying is that the jury, the international consensus, is irrelevant. That's exactly what the Nazis said.

[US Retard]

Heinz wrote: Quote: Kinda like Israel who invaded Gaza in June 2006 and again in late October 2006?
Kind of like Hamas who bombed Israel from Gaza?
...In response to being invaded. Is it wrong to defend oneself in one's own land?

Heinz wrote: Quote: Pleaes keep in mind that neither of these invasions were provoked by Palestine. The strong was (and usually is) the aggressor.
You have no clue what you're talking about. These most recent invasions surely were about Palestinian missile attacks.
Surely? Where is the evidence of any missile attacks which prompted the Israeli invasion?

Heinz wrote: You have a contempt for Israel that you do not have for Palestinian terrorist groups.

Shame.
If by Israel you mean the Israeli government, then yes--but no more contempt than I have for my own. However, one's nation is not it's government. I have nothing against the citizens of Israel. I also condemn the Palestinian groups who attack innocent civilians.

I wish your contributions were rooted less in baseless accusations and more in evidence.

[Chingu]

There is no way I am going to support a pro-terrorist or pro-Hamas or Hezbollah UN condemnation of a nation which is simply doing what it must to defend itself.

Hamas, stop launching rockets into Israel and the Gaza strip won't suffer Israeli attacks - simple as that. If the Palastinians are worried about it - they should take matters into their own hands and defeat hamas - but apparently many support them.

[cool_chick]

Chingu wrote: Hamas, stop launching rockets into Israel and the Gaza strip won't suffer Israeli attacks

I highly doubt that. You're painfully naive if you think this is the case......

Israel has no intentions of quitting it's offensive tactics.

[Chingu]

cool_chick wrote: Chingu wrote: Hamas, stop launching rockets into Israel and the Gaza strip won't suffer Israeli attacks

I highly doubt that. You're painfully naive if you think this is the case......

Israel has no intentions of quitting it's offensive tactics.

What on Earth makes you believe that? Throughout Israels entire existance it has never taken an offensive position. It has always been on the defensive. By all rights, Israel has been overly moerate in teh face of teh enemies. They could rightfully claim Jordan, Syria, Egypt and Lebenon had they decided to do that in the aftermath of their defensive 7 days war where they defeated these combained enemies - but they gave all but tiny slivers back - and only kept the slivers for tactical and strategic defensive purposes.

I mean - that's really quite an outlandish and baseless claim your making there and flies in the face of history and present activity.

[cool_chick]

Chingu wrote: cool_chick wrote: Chingu wrote: Hamas, stop launching rockets into Israel and the Gaza strip won't suffer Israeli attacks

I highly doubt that. You're painfully naive if you think this is the case......

Israel has no intentions of quitting it's offensive tactics.

What on Earth makes you believe that? Throughout Israels entire existance it has never taken an offensiv

Based on their offensive and land-grabbing actions for the past 30 years.

You don't look at actions of those you're told to support, Chingu, you never did. You never will.

[US Retard]

^^^ It seems like you're right. Chingu is ignoring the facts.

Chingu wrote: What on Earth makes you believe that? Throughout Israels entire existance it has never taken an offensive position. It has always been on the defensive.
Israel's 38-year occupation of Palestine, for one. For another, both the June 2006 and the October 2006 invasions of Palestine were purely offensive, aggressor acts.

Chingu wrote: I mean - that's really quite an outlandish and baseless claim your making there and flies in the face of history and present activity.
You're one to talk. Where's the provocation for either of the above invasions?

[CountryGuy]

Its seems more than a few people on this thread are forgetting that the resolution is supposed to be on this one incident, not 30 years (right or wrong).

Given Israel has stated it was a technical error (during work to rocket launchers attacking Israel), apologized for it, and is willing to make reparations, I don't see how this is worthy of being a UN resolution -- Particularly if you have NEVER condemned the actions occurring on the Palestinian side that caused it.