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Bull · Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 3044 Location: North Carolina

ABC News

I'm not going to quote the entire article because it's 3 pages long...but it looks like Guiliani is running. So, I don't want to hear any excuses from the Right about Obama if he decides to run that he has no foreign policy experience. I mean, if a Mayor (who let's be real...is only popular because of 9/11) can run for President...then Barack can. I mean, a Mayor doesn't know anything about foreign policy either...all Mayor's do is run a city. And now that I think about it, most Govenors don't even have foreign policy experience!

I want to know what the conservatives think about this...can he knock off McCain?

callous · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject:

And I will do everything in my power to completely ignore that sociopathic **** and everything he going to say he stands for.

Guiliani should be tried for the murder of 3,000 people.

TheGirlNextDoor · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 22608

Personally, I wouldn't vote for him.. nor would I vote for Obama. I would however, vote for McCain.

All conjecture at this point who Republicans or Democrats will give the nod to and who will have a real shot at the run for POTUS in '08.

Why should Guiliani be tried for murder??

Kane · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 12677 Location: Bay Area, CA

callous wrote: And I will do everything in my power to completely ignore that sociopathic ***hole and everything he going to say he stands for.

Guiliani should be tried for the murder of 3,000 people.

Bwaaaaaaaaa? :?

callous · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject:

TheGirlNextDoor wrote: Personally, I wouldn't vote for him.. nor would I vote for Obama. I would however, vote for McCain.

All conjecture at this point who Republicans or Democrats will give the nod to and who will have a real shot at the run for POTUS in '08.

Why should Guiliani be tried for murder??

because he displayed knowledge of the implications of the 9/11 attacks by immediately shipping crucial debris from ground zero over seas to be melted down before an investigation ever took place.

Heinz · Joined: 30 May 2006 Posts: 1636 Location: Philadelphia

Giuliani? He might get my vote.

Obama? No chance.

McCain? Might as well not vote.

Bull · Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 3044 Location: North Carolina

callous wrote: TheGirlNextDoor wrote: Personally, I wouldn't vote for him.. nor would I vote for Obama. I would however, vote for McCain.

All conjecture at this point who Republicans or Democrats will give the nod to and who will have a real shot at the run for POTUS in '08.

Why should Guiliani be tried for murder??

because he displayed knowledge of the implications of the 9/11 attacks by immediately shipping crucial debris from ground zero over seas to be melted down before an investigation ever took place.

True. But let's not change the subject... ;)

Violaxcore · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 1294 Location: Le Emerald City

I need that shirt

DMS · Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 829 Location: Up state NY

That would be great, he could turn the rest of the country into a neon cluttered shopping mall/police state. After watching his speech he delivered at the Republican National Convention he would make a better Presidential pet than a president. He such a lickspittle.

Impartial1 · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 765 Location: Staten Island, NY

It is true that Giuliani obtained almost all of his popularity because of 9/11 but that doesn't take away from the fact that he was a great mayor.

Only 11 states have a larger population than New York city, therefore being the mayor on nyc is just like being a governor. The job is probably even more challenging because of the population is extremely condensed.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html

Reagan, Clinton and Bush were governors who never served in the senate so I don't wan't to here you have to have the foriegn policy experience of a senator in order to be president.

Here is some information about him you should know.

"After practicing law for four years, Rudolph Giuliani was named Associate Attorney General in the new administration of President Ronald Reagan. As the third-highest-ranking member of the Department of Justice, he oversaw federal law enforcement agencies including the Bureau of Corrections, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the U.S. Marshal Service. In 1983 he was named U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. As U.S. Attorney, he earned a national reputation for prosecuting mob bosses, corrupt politicians and Wall Street inside traders with equal zeal. In six years, he obtained 4,152 convictions; he was widely regarded as the most effective prosecutor in the country."

"When Giuliani took office, more than a million New Yorkers were on welfare -- every seventh resident of the city. The new administration initiated the country's largest "workfare" program, and over the next eight years, 691,000 people moved from the welfare rolls to work and self-sufficiency."

"The new Mayor adopted the controversial "Broken Windows" theory of crime prevention, in which the smaller signs of disorder -- such as graffiti and vandalism -- are suppressed, to alter the perception that a neighborhood is out of control. Computer mapping enabled the New York Police Department to identify precise locations with the highest incidence of violent crime and direct their resources accordingly. In only two years, serious crime had been reduced by more than one-third and murder by almost half."

"Income and property values rose throughout the city, and whole neighborhoods were redeveloped. With the improvement of the city's economy, Giuliani was able to cut taxes while turning a $2.3 billion budget deficit into a multi-billion dollar surplus. After his first two closely-fought campaigns, Rudolph Giuliani was easily re-elected to a second term in 1997, carrying four of the city's five boroughs."

http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/giu0bio-1

Other then being one of the greatest mayors in nyc history before 9/11, he proved undoubtedly that he posses excellent leadership qualities under the most dire of circumstances.

You may not agree with his positions on some issues but the man knows how to work with people and get things done unlike many politic ions in Washington and throughout the nation.

Tetracide · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 4449 Location: California

Guiliani's a Republican, and he supports gay rights. He's got my vote.

Mr. Sunshine · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 1324

It was always been Rudy/McCain. He is the only one who can carry New York's electoral votes. The funny thing is that the GOP is desperate enough to look over Rudy's social moderation views. They will kill the Clinton/Obama ticket. Hillary was 45% of the country that will absolutely not vote for her. That has been a constant since she earned her Senator seat via National perspective as a potential presidential candidate. I keep hearing rumblings of a lesbian affair in Seattle that will make the Swiftboat thing look like patty cake. 8:)

Bull · Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 3044 Location: North Carolina

Mr. Sunshine wrote: It was always been Rudy/McCain. He is the only one who can carry New York's electoral votes. The funny thing is that the GOP is desperate enough to look over Rudy's social moderation views. They will kill the Clinton/Obama ticket. Hillary was 45% of the country that will absolutely not vote for her. That has been a constant since she earned her Senator seat via National perspective as a potential presidential candidate. I keep hearing rumblings of a lesbian affair in Seattle that will make the Swiftboat thing look like patty cake. 8:)

First of all, who said anything about a Hillary/Obama ticket? If you go to liberal forums like Democratic Underground, Daily Kos, or some others...you'd see that a lot of Dems either don't like Hillary, thinks she has too much baggage, doesn't think she'll get the nomination, or all of the above. Not to mention, if she does get the nomination and goes up against Rudy...she has as much popularity in New York as he does (if not more). New York is still a very liberal state, so don't just think Rudy would take it because he was Mayor of ONE of the cities in New York STATE.

Zadoc · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 199 Location: Phoenix, AZ

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/13/giuliani.president/

He's not officially running yet, but if he does it will be the hardest candidate for the other Republicans to beat.

Conservative circles mostly discount Rudy's primary chances because they feel he's not a true conservative. My wager is that most of America isn't either.

A right conservative candidate will easily win the south and the plains, but a moderate will sweep the west coast, the mid-west, and the New England states.

Also, a conservative in liberal clothes such as Giuliani is the GOP's best bet in a general - it would make the democratic candidate difficult to define himself, and perhaps force him to the right or too far left.

Giuliani really only has to watch out for an insurgency from former MA Governor Mitt Romney. I don't believe that AZ Sen. John McCain will be in a position to win the nomination in 2008.

Chingu · Joined: 03 Apr 2004 Posts: 9676 Location: Illinois

Guliani is a social liberal, fiscal Conservative and strong on National defense and obviously a patriotic guy. He has great charisma and is well spoken. He will, if he runs, be a very formidable candidate for anyone to beat.

He certainly wouldn't be the strict Conservatives primary choice, nor would he be the primary choice of the anti-war nutjob left - but he well might get everyone else inbetween -and based on this last election cycle - there's quite a few of those out there.

I would say in the big picture - Guliani is certainly more Conservative than he is liberal.

I personally like the guy -but for President - I'd want to hear more about what he stands for on a good range of issues before I could say he's got my vote.

McCain has a huge uphill battle to gain my trust or vote though I agree with his stance on teh war for the most part despite his lttle venture into hand-wringing for the terrorists rights.

coppersink63 · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 4465 Location: Florida

callous wrote: And I will do everything in my power to completely ignore that sociopathic ***hole and everything he going to say he stands for.

Guiliani should be tried for the murder of 3,000 people.

HuH!?!??!

The new york people LOVE him. He was key in getting things done in 9/11. The man is a patriot of this country. As a democrat if he ran republican I would vote for him.

Mr. Sunshine · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 1324

Bull wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: It was always been Rudy/McCain. He is the only one who can carry New York's electoral votes. The funny thing is that the GOP is desperate enough to look over Rudy's social moderation views. They will kill the Clinton/Obama ticket. Hillary was 45% of the country that will absolutely not vote for her. That has been a constant since she earned her Senator seat via National perspective as a potential presidential candidate. I keep hearing rumblings of a lesbian affair in Seattle that will make the Swiftboat thing look like patty cake. 8:)

First of all, who said anything about a Hillary/Obama ticket? If you go to liberal forums like Democratic Underground, Daily Kos, or some others...you'd see that a lot of Dems either don't like Hillary, thinks she has too much baggage, doesn't think she'll get the nomination, or all of the above. Not to mention, if she does get the nomination and goes up against Rudy...she has as much popularity in New York as he does (if not more). New York is still a very liberal state, so don't just think Rudy would take it because he was Mayor of ONE of the cities in New York STATE.

You assume that the Democratic Party has not been taken over by the Clintonistas. The radical left is the new One Night Stand of the DNC. There is a lot of things that are pre-determined. We can revisit this post in a couple years. 8:)

CountryGuy · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 1117 Location: Pennsylvania

callous wrote: TheGirlNextDoor wrote: Personally, I wouldn't vote for him.. nor would I vote for Obama. I would however, vote for McCain.

All conjecture at this point who Republicans or Democrats will give the nod to and who will have a real shot at the run for POTUS in '08.

Why should Guiliani be tried for murder??

because he displayed knowledge of the implications of the 9/11 attacks by immediately shipping crucial debris from ground zero over seas to be melted down before an investigation ever took place.

Wow. Tinfoil hat, anyone?

The Russian · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 384 Location: Buffalo, NY

Rudy has two serious problems.... one, is just like bush, is Cronyism... so even if Rudy is good for the POTUS, he more than likely will pick cronys for positions that others are more qualified for. Which is dangerous. The second problem being his taxation policy. The reason NYC had a buildup of cash is because the tax was increased on the rest of NY. I'm in western NY, apparently the republican hold-out of NY state, and he helped push through specific tax with state legislature that takes a large portion of our tax revenues and sends them to NYC. NYC ate a lot of our taxes before 9/11, now its just horrible, our property tax is the highest in the union, and our overall tax and fees are highest in the union, (sales tax is 10% in CA, ours is 8.75, but our fees are MUCH higher). The worst part is almost all of it goes to NYC as that city cant support itself... I live in Buffalo and our city is degrading, the budget is not there... all we can say is "maybe if more of the tax revenue went to B-lo than NYC, we'd be better off".

CountryGuy · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 1117 Location: Pennsylvania

The Russian wrote: Rudy has two serious problems.... one, is just like bush, is Cronyism... so even if Rudy is good for the POTUS, he more than likely will pick cronys for positions that others are more qualified for. Which is dangerous. The second problem being his taxation policy. The reason NYC had a buildup of cash is because the tax was increased on the rest of NY. I'm in western NY, apparently the republican hold-out of NY state, and he helped push through specific tax with state legislature that takes a large portion of our tax revenues and sends them to NYC. NYC ate a lot of our taxes before 9/11, now its just horrible, our property tax is the highest in the union, and our overall tax and fees are highest in the union, (sales tax is 10% in CA, ours is 8.75, but our fees are MUCH higher). The worst part is almost all of it goes to NYC as that city cant support itself... I live in Buffalo and our city is degrading, the budget is not there... all we can say is "maybe if more of the tax revenue went to B-lo than NYC, we'd be better off".

While I like Rudy for his work following the 9/11 disaster, I agree he's flawed as a Presidential candidate, taxation being one of the issues.