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Heinz wrote:
Try again.

I'm not a Republican....Never have been, never will be.

I hate political parties with a passion, and people like you, from both parties, are the reason why. Tell me, how's the kool-aid?

I'm an anarcho-capitalist. I hate government. Any government.


If you simply removed the text next to your avatar - a person would deduce that you are, in fact, a republican judging by your flagrant insults of any left winger and blind support of anything ol' dubya does.

You hate government but choose to come to a politcal discussion board to run around and tell everyone how stupid they are for supporting one? That has the benefit of allowing you to run around saying anything you want with no culpability. Nice.

Heinz wrote: He's not a democrat.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0628041moore2.html

Heinz wrote: You're a nerd.

Wow, I think its been over a decade since I've been called that.

Heinz wrote: You live in a world of black and white where people in the grey don't exist. Since my area isn't in your self-made world, you convenietly place me where you think I belong, even if it's nowhere near the reality.

Want to adress the topic or is trolling the only thing you're good at?

I dont believe I live in a black and white world (contrary to your brilliant assessment - thank you Mr Hawkins). Besides, I place you where I think you belong and where you belong cannot be stated due to me enjoying this message board and not wanting a suspension.

[Heinz]

Quote: If you simply removed the text next to your avatar - a person would deduce that you are, in fact, a republican judging by your flagrant insults of any left winger and blind support of anything ol' dubya does.

I support Bush? Show me where.........

Bush couldn't spell a 5 letter word.

Quote: You hate government but choose to come to a politcal discussion board to run around and tell everyone how stupid they are for supporting one?

Are you stupid for supporting government? Nope, but you are stupid to blindly cling to polticial parties like they are the buck at which the world stops. I promote individual representation over joining parties.

[Heinz]

Quote: I dont believe I live in a black and white world (contrary to your brilliant assessment - thank you Mr Hawkins). Besides, I place you where I think you belong and where you belong cannot be stated due to me enjoying this message board and not wanting a suspension.

Well, you're already pressing your luck by trolling me in 2 seperate threads.

And you do live in black and white. I'll be waiting to see how I support Bush.

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Heinz wrote:
Are you stupid for supporting government? Nope, but you are stupid to blindly cling to polticial parties like they are the buck at which the world stops. I promote individual representation over joining parties.

Individual representation? So you support something that does not exist in the society we live in? Your individual representation is supposed to be relayed by your congressmen. Unless you think somehow that you are going to head down to DC and march around and make enough noise to swing things into your favor. :lol:

I also do not blindly cling to my party. I hold them accountable for their actions. Best believe that if we had a democratic pres, house and senate - and they got us into the current mess in Iraq - I would be voting for the right. But see - I align myself with a political party which means I may need to justify my logic on a political discussion board. You wont do that.

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Heinz wrote: Quote: I dont believe I live in a black and white world (contrary to your brilliant assessment - thank you Mr Hawkins). Besides, I place you where I think you belong and where you belong cannot be stated due to me enjoying this message board and not wanting a suspension.

Well, you're already pressing your luck by trolling me in 2 seperate threads.

And you do live in black and white. I'll be waiting to see how I support Bush.

Well lets see... going from information I have observed the previous 7 days on this site (a rather small sample size). You support the war and you hate federally funded social programs - 2 things that definitely fit the right wing agenda. By supporting those ideals- you support Bush de facto.

Give it time - I'm sure more will come. Just accept it - you're a republican. Not calling yourself one doesnt remove that stigma. Besides, Im sure Im not the first person to call you a republican - otherwise you'd have had no reason for that title.

[Divinity11]

That ticket could possibly get my vote.

With the Dems in control of Congress, I'll probably have to vote for a stinkin' Republican for President to keep balance.

I'd consider Clark, or even Mitt Romney. Or anyone who stands for "true" conservativism, not the current RINO's who are ruining our once great nation.

[mODULAR mAN]

Clinton - Clark.

Both have excellent and proven records at home and abroad. Even though Clinton has gotten more Centerist in her old age for my liking, I think it will resonate with the American public. Clark is just a plain solid American, without the nuttiness of McCain.

[Heinz]

Quote: Individual representation? So you support something that does not exist in the society we live in?

No....I mean as far as political parties in our current system. Vote for you, not your party. Partisanship gets no one anywhere.

Quote: I also do not blindly cling to my party. I hold them accountable for their actions. Best believe that if we had a democratic pres, house and senate - and they got us into the current mess in Iraq - I would be voting for the right.

Ok...that's more than most can say.

Quote: But see - I align myself with a political party which means I may need to justify my logic on a political discussion board. You wont do that.

This makes no sense.

Are you basically saying that you will spout party talking points to make your arguments seem full of logic and fact on a forum?

Quote: Well lets see... going from information I have observed the previous 7 days on this site (a rather small sample size). You support the war and you hate federally funded social programs

I don't support the war. I supported the removal of Saddam, but I knew that Iraqis would be slow to develop a stable government and it would lead to useless US deaths, so I was not on board for the occupation.

Special Ops would have been better served here.

Lots of people hate federally funded social programs, not just republicans.

Like I said, you're in a balck and white world.

Anarchist hate them because we hate government, and they are an extension of government.

Quote: 2 things that definitely fit the right wing agenda. By supporting those ideals- you support Bush de facto.

Yup...black and white.

I support stem cell research, gay marriage, hate the patriot act, hate the guest worker program, and I'm an athetist.

Just because I'm not liberal doesn't mean I'm automatically a Republican.

[Heinz]

Quote: Both have excellent and proven records at home and abroad. Even though Clinton has gotten more Centerist in her old age for my liking, I think it will resonate with the American public. Clark is just a plain solid American, without the nuttiness of McCain.

The US is a moderate nation...Face it...it's life.

[mODULAR mAN]

Heinz wrote: Quote: Both have excellent and proven records at home and abroad. Even though Clinton has gotten more Centerist in her old age for my liking, I think it will resonate with the American public. Clark is just a plain solid American, without the nuttiness of McCain.

The US is a moderate nation...Face it...it's life.

Yeah, i realize that. However, there are signs that is drifts left in general, I have a theory but I'm working, and I must keep the tax dollars flowing...

[Heinz]

Quote: Yeah, i realize that. However, there are signs that is drifts left in general, I have a theory but I'm working, and I must keep the tax dollars flowing...

You mean a drift like a 60-40 split on gay marriage in favor of banning it? That kind of sign? California is the only West Coast state with legal gay marriage. Even Washington and Oregon banned it. Cities drift left in general, suburbs and rurals areas drift moderate. As long as liberals only stay in cities, they'll never accomplish much nationally thanks to the electoral college. They have to spread out to achieve success.

Besides. Most dems are anti-gay marriage, pro-gun, pro-life except in serious cases, pro-defense, pro-military. Their major differences with the GOP are labor unions and social programs.

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Heinz wrote:

This makes no sense.

Are you basically saying that you will spout party talking points to make your arguments seem full of logic and fact on a forum?

No, I’m saying that I have to defend, for example, the civil liberties stance that I take (which by de facto is aligned with the democrat party) when some republican says 2 men cannot be married because next thing you know people will want to marry animals. So by defending my stance – I am defending the democratic stance – which also puts a big blue bullseye on my back for the right wing hacks on this message board.

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Lots of people hate federally funded social programs, not just republicans.

All republicans are people, but not all people are republicans. Since democrats are the ones who usually continue to support these social programs – the large protion of people who dislike federally funded social programs are in fact republicans (if population versus registered political party data gathered).


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Like I said, you're in a balck and white world.

Anarchist hate them because we hate government, and they are an extension of government.

So do you hate people because any state or federally funded program has people working for them? Do you hate your mailman? Do you hate doctors who work for VA hospitals? Careful how you answer – you could be a hypocrite.


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Yup...black and white.

I support stem cell research, gay marriage, hate the patriot act, hate the guest worker program, and I'm an athetist.

Just because I'm not liberal doesn't mean I'm automatically a Republican.

All of the above are black and white issues also – why doesn’t that apply to you? You don’t conditionally approve of gay marriage and you don’t conditionally disregard the existence of god.

Hello Pot, I am Kettle…you’re black.

[Heinz]

Quote: No, I’m saying that I have to defend, for example, the civil liberties stance that I take (which by de facto is aligned with the democrat party)

You can defend a stance without having a party to lean your shoulder on.
If you can't do it, it shows that you are weak-minded.

Quote: when some republican says 2 men cannot be married because next thing you know people will want to marry animals. So by defending my stance – I am defending the democratic stance – which also puts a big blue bullseye on my back for the right wing hacks on this message board.

Then leave the party or promote the view as your view which just happens to be a view of this party as well. Treat the view as more of a personal position than a party one. Become a weapon that everyone hates:

A self-affiliated, self-made political participant.

Quote: the large protion of people who dislike federally funded social programs are in fact republicans

Are a good portion fo them Republicans? Yes, but you don't have to be a Republican to hodl similar beliefs. You have like an addiction to parties. I'd hate to see what you woudl be like without them.

Quote: So do you hate people because any state or federally funded program has people working for them? Do you hate your mailman?

No, he actual does provide a useful service...Welfare does nothing but keep the poor poor. If you work for the wlefare office, yes, I hate you.

You perpetuate an uneccessary evil in our country.

Quote: Do you hate doctors who work for VA hospitals? Careful how you answer –you could be a hypocrite.

Again, doctors actually provide useful service, like healing soldiers wounded in combat.

Quote: All of the above are black and white issues also – why doesn’t that apply to you? You don’t conditionally approve of gay marriage and you don’t conditionally disregard the existence of god.

All I can say is that you're so in love with poltical parties that you have no idea that there is such a thing in the world as an independent. Since you're the sheep who loves to follow everything about the party, it's a shock for you to find out that some people don't like parties.

Thomas Jefferson said that political parties would be the death of America. You prove him right. Enjoy the barn and kool-aid.

Tool.

[Flake]

I really don't think too much of Edwards, he's a decent guy but he doesn't bring a ton to the table. Given his vote for the war, I think it might be a mistake to put him on a ticket......I know a lot of lefties have trouble supporting anyone who showed such little judgment/such great cowardice to put their name on that one.

Clark is a no-brainer, would be a perfect choice. Just what America needs right now, extremely intelligent, well-versed in foreign and military policy. As Eisenhower said (or something close to it) "God help America if ever anyone but a general is sitting in this (Oval Office)." High time some sanity is brought back to the military machinery of this country.

[Flake]

And the Kosovo-Iraq comparisons......pitiful, as usual. They don't even try to justify the comparison, list similarities or differences, pros or cons. Just try to say "well they were both military missions" and leave it at that.

Ignore the differences in situations, coalitions, goals, execution, implications, regions, outcomes.....everything. Then try to say "thousands of civilians died" and think nobody will be able to tell you're talking out of your rear.

Its just transparent.

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Heinz wrote:
You can defend a stance without having a party to lean your shoulder on.
If you can't do it, it shows that you are weak-minded.

Did you just read what I just said there? I said I support a stance that consequentially is aligned with the democratic party. Where did I say that I required their support or needed someone to lean my shoulder on (whatever the hell that means)?

Quote: Then leave the party or promote the view as your view which just happens to be a view of this party as well. Treat the view as more of a personal position than a party one. Become a weapon that everyone hates:

A self-affiliated, self-made political participant.


So… leave the party so I don’t have hacks taking pot shots at my because of the actions of a few douche bags in DC? You asked why I blindly support a party. I don’t. It just so happens that the democratic party shares most of my views. I’m not forcing anything.

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Are a good portion fo them Republicans? Yes, but you don't have to be a Republican to hodl similar beliefs. You have like an addiction to parties. I'd hate to see what you woudl be like without them.

Seeing how this country is essentially a 2 party system, I would not be far off in my assumption that if you dislike federally funded social programs – you would be a republican. As far as if there were no political parties, I would vote for whomever was most aligned with my views.

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No, he actual does provide a useful service...Welfare does nothing but keep the poor poor. If you work for the wlefare office, yes, I hate you.

You perpetuate an uneccessary evil in our country.

So you hate government – unless its doing something for you. Now what a minute here – that conflicts with your original emo outcry how you hate government. You didn’t say you hate government only if it is unable to provide a service to me. Careful that other anarchists don’t hear you – they might kick you out of their club.

Besides, someone working at the welfare office does indeed provide a useful service – albeit not you. I suppose you would rather have children suffer because their parents are idiots. To each his own I guess.


Quote: Quote: All of the above are black and white issues also – why doesn’t that apply to you? You don’t conditionally approve of gay marriage and you don’t conditionally disregard the existence of god.

All I can say is that you're so in love with poltical parties that you have no idea that there is such a thing in the world as an independent. Since you're the sheep who loves to follow everything about the party, it's a shock for you to find out that some people don't like parties.

I re-quoted myself because you conveniently chose to ignore an argument point that would prove you fall into the B&W category as much as any other political party supporter.

Also, I don’t know where you keep coming up with this idea that I love political parties. I dislike republicans and the ideals that come along with the party (just as people feel the same way with the left). Making things up do not validate your argument.


Quote: Thomas Jefferson said that political parties would be the death of America. You prove him right. Enjoy the barn and kool-aid.

Tool.

Are you a cutter? Do you listen to emo? That’s what you remind me of. You hate everything and everybody because you feel it makes you tough and rugged.

[Tono]

Zadoc wrote: That's a rather baseless statement; do you have any ability to back it up?

Aside from the fact taht Edwards couldn't even win his own state?

[Vulcidian]

Sucker Punch wrote: Heinz wrote:
You can defend a stance without having a party to lean your shoulder on.
If you can't do it, it shows that you are weak-minded.

Did you just read what I just said there? I said I support a stance that consequentially is aligned with the democratic party. Where did I say that I required their support or needed someone to lean my shoulder on (whatever the hell that means)?

Quote: Then leave the party or promote the view as your view which just happens to be a view of this party as well. Treat the view as more of a personal position than a party one. Become a weapon that everyone hates:

A self-affiliated, self-made political participant.


So… leave the party so I don’t have hacks taking pot shots at my because of the actions of a few douche bags in DC? You asked why I blindly support a party. I don’t. It just so happens that the democratic party shares most of my views. I’m not forcing anything.

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Are a good portion fo them Republicans? Yes, but you don't have to be a Republican to hodl similar beliefs. You have like an addiction to parties. I'd hate to see what you woudl be like without them.

Seeing how this country is essentially a 2 party system, I would not be far off in my assumption that if you dislike federally funded social programs – you would be a republican. As far as if there were no political parties, I would vote for whomever was most aligned with my views.

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No, he actual does provide a useful service...Welfare does nothing but keep the poor poor. If you work for the wlefare office, yes, I hate you.

You perpetuate an uneccessary evil in our country.

So you hate government – unless its doing something for you. Now what a minute here – that conflicts with your original emo outcry how you hate government. You didn’t say you hate government only if it is unable to provide a service to me. Careful that other anarchists don’t hear you – they might kick you out of their club.

Besides, someone working at the welfare office does indeed provide a useful service – albeit not you. I suppose you would rather have children suffer because their parents are idiots. To each his own I guess.


Quote: Quote: All of the above are black and white issues also – why doesn’t that apply to you? You don’t conditionally approve of gay marriage and you don’t conditionally disregard the existence of god.

All I can say is that you're so in love with poltical parties that you have no idea that there is such a thing in the world as an independent. Since you're the sheep who loves to follow everything about the party, it's a shock for you to find out that some people don't like parties.

I re-quoted myself because you conveniently chose to ignore an argument point that would prove you fall into the B&W category as much as any other political party supporter.

Also, I don’t know where you keep coming up with this idea that I love political parties. I dislike republicans and the ideals that come along with the party (just as people feel the same way with the left). Making things up do not validate your argument.


Quote: Thomas Jefferson said that political parties would be the death of America. You prove him right. Enjoy the barn and kool-aid.

Tool.

Are you a cutter? Do you listen to emo? That’s what you remind me of. You hate everything and everybody because you feel it makes you tough and rugged.


Let's try and maintain a civil atmosphere. Trying to cut into someones personality might seem to win an argument, but it just makes both sides look like radical lunatics. Next thing you know somebody is going to be accusing someone of being a Jew as if it were a bad thing =p

I myself don't care for our two party system. I would prefer a multi-party system, since individual representation is just as much a fantasy as a successful one party state.

Our country doesn't need to move specifically away from the right or the left. It needs to move away from radical standofish mentality, to a more moderate but progressive ideology.

"Walk softly, but carry a big stick", that's my political motto for America.

The government is supposed to be the voice of the people. Not corporations, or churchs, or lobbyists, our elected officials. Let's try and get back to that.

Clark/Powell 08. Both of them are centrist and have loads of experience. I think they're just what this country needs to restore progress.

[Heinz]

Quote: I said I support a stance that consequentially is aligned with the democratic party.

That doesn't mean you need the party to make your stance legitimate.

Quote: Where did I say that I required their support or needed someone to lean my shoulder on (whatever the hell that means)?

Quote: No, I’m saying that I have to defend, for example, the civil liberties stance that I take (which by de facto is aligned with the democrat party)

Why does it matter if they support it to? You don't need them.....

Quote: So… leave the party so I don’t have hacks taking pot shots at my because of the actions of a few douche bags in DC?

You are a hack so I have no clue why you have discontent for them. Do you secretly hate yourself? You think just because you have views that are similar to the DNC that you need to be in the DNC or you're at least a democrat.

The GOP believes in government and I Don't, so.......

Quote: You asked why I blindly support a party. I don’t. It just so happens that the democratic party shares most of my views. I’m not forcing anything.

You're forcing yourself to participate in party politics because you feel that that is the only way you can get any real representation.

Seeing how this country is essentially a 2 party system, I would not be far off in my assumption that if you dislike federally funded social programs – you would be a republican

Or a Libertarian or an anarcho-capitalist. Black meet white.

Quote: As far as if there were no political parties, I would vote for whomever was most aligned with my views.

Which is what I do; Why did it take you this long to figure this out.....

Quote: So you hate government – unless its doing something for you.

Not really, because most government systems are so corrupt and not well kept that I'd be better off taking care of myself, which I do anyways. They are more useful than welfare, but if they were gone, I wouldn't cry over it.

If we had no government tomorrow.......party at my house. Just because I put up with some doesn't mean I full-heartedly support them.

Quote: Also, I don’t know where you keep coming up with this idea that I love political parties. I dislike republicans and the ideals that come along with the party (just as people feel the same way with the left). Making things up do not validate your argument.

You love the democratic party and you feel that you need a party to make your views legitimate. You love parties in general. You love the idea of being in a group of your peers. Sure, you may dislike the GOP, but you like the overall idea of parties.

Quote: Are you a cutter? Do you listen to emo? That’s what you remind me of. You hate everything and everybody because you feel it makes you tough and rugged.

Emo isn't my style of music....to soft. Still sticking with the name calling I see. It must really bug the s**t out of you that people exist in our country who hate parties and government. You can go back to yoru little make believe world now.

I also like the vast assumption that I liked to physically harm myself....is that really all you have left? What a sad life you must lead.

[JLB]

blockhead wrote: Seriously, I think Wesley Clark is the next Eisenhower.

What do you think? Tell me what's wrong with this ticket. I would use my vacation to help campaign for this ticket.

They already made a movie about it.