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[jeechoscopy]

You are knowledgable of the term The final solution of the Jewish question.
You know how Hitlor rationalize his solution.

You are well known of the defination of genocide.

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Do you have read about the clash of civilizations, the idea of Samuel P. Huntington?

By bearing all them in your mind and observing each event happening in the world....do you think the "civilizational clash" would be practisized as a "final solution?"

[Richard Owl Mirror]

I sort of asked the same question earlier today.

Q: Do you think Culture, is order ?

Q: Does Culture survive Revolution ?

From previous discourse between you and I, {I believe} I understand where you are headed with this question.

It may not be the 'final solution' but it sure seems like it is an inevitable outcome.

May I invite you to make comment in a post of mine titled: Bigotry, ... with a P

[Mr. Sunshine]

No. We are going to stop the chaos as a global community. The moderate Muslims will save their religion's legacy. Enlightened minds of the world will eventually stomp this out in a decade or so. As an agnostic, I have faith in the fact that Islam is predominately practised as a peaceful religion. The moderate Muslims love their religion as much as those radicals love their twisted perversion of it. In the end, order will triumph over chaos. Israel now believes that America cannot protect them from Iran after this election. They will insure Iran will not get the bomb because of what they have been through. Of course, we will give assistance and coverage in the U.N. :lol:

[bla bla]

"Clash of Civilizations" is as novel (new) as declaring the discovery of
agriculture.

A pause in ideological, or economic, war does not somehow give birth
to culture conflict. It simply leaves it as the only current crisis to gain
attention.

People have been threatening to destroy other culturally distinct groups
since sharp sticks became available. I no way does the current state of
affairs indicate any ultimate end to these conflicts.

[Mr. Sunshine]

Many cultures have been crushed into dust and out of memories. History is written by victors. 8:)

[JoeBen81]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: Many cultures have been crushed into dust and out of memories. History is written by victors. 8:)
I don't think this applys anymore, in our global age. Even more-so in another 100 years.

[mendosan]

jeechoscopy wrote: You are knowledgable of the term The final solution of the Jewish question.
You know how Hitlor rationalize his solution.

You are well known of the defination of genocide.

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Do you have read about the clash of civilizations, the idea of Samuel P. Huntington?

By bearing all them in your mind and observing each event happening in the world....do you think the "civilizational clash" would be practisized as a "final solution?"

I think you need to read the "Clash" theory, also its meant to be read from a western view point, also its important to note that international relations theory is often bulls**t.

[mendosan]

JoeBen81 wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Many cultures have been crushed into dust and out of memories. History is written by victors. 8:)
I don't think this applys anymore, in our global age. Even more-so in another 100 years.

Im sure thats what the Romans thought or the Persians.

[slitedeviance]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: Many cultures have been crushed into dust and out of memories. History is written by victors. 8:)

Christ, how can you define a victory in this situation?

[Mr. Sunshine]

JoeBen81 wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Many cultures have been crushed into dust and out of memories. History is written by victors. 8:)
I don't think this applys anymore, in our global age. Even more-so in another 100 years.

I disagree. Information overload makes the attention span very short. Remember Rwanda? Many don't. 8:)

[Mr. Sunshine]

slitedeviance wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Many cultures have been crushed into dust and out of memories. History is written by victors. 8:)

Christ, how can you define a victory in this situation?

What are you talking about?

[slitedeviance]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: slitedeviance wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Many cultures have been crushed into dust and out of memories. History is written by victors. 8:)

Christ, how can you define a victory in this situation?

What are you talking about?

You said History is written by the victor, but what counts as a victory in this situation?

[cap'n queasy]

slitedeviance wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: slitedeviance wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Many cultures have been crushed into dust and out of memories. History is written by victors. 8:)

Christ, how can you define a victory in this situation?

What are you talking about?

You said History is written by the victor, but what counts as a victory in this situation?

Who survives the encounter.

[slitedeviance]

cap'n queasy wrote: Who survives the encounter.

So the victor is the person who can perpitrate genocide more readily?

[Mr. Sunshine]

slitedeviance wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: slitedeviance wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Many cultures have been crushed into dust and out of memories. History is written by victors. 8:)

Christ, how can you define a victory in this situation?

What are you talking about?

You said History is written by the victor, but what counts as a victory in this situation?

Which situation? Be more specific. The term history is written by the victors is quite a cliche that happens to be very accurate. 8:)

Mr. Sunshine wrote: No. We are going to stop the chaos as a global community. The moderate Muslims will save their religion's legacy. Enlightened minds of the world will eventually stomp this out in a decade or so. As an agnostic, I have faith in the fact that Islam is predominately practised as a peaceful religion. The moderate Muslims love their religion as much as those radicals love their twisted perversion of it. In the end, order will triumph over chaos. Israel now believes that America cannot protect them from Iran after this election. They will insure Iran will not get the bomb because of what they have been through. Of course, we will give assistance and coverage in the U.N. :lol:

My point is that Nazi Germany was defeated and the Allies framed the argument after the fact.

Islamofascism is pursuing the "final solution". Culture clash is inevitable, but it will take care of itself. Hence, the "no" in my first post. Islam will rid itself of the cancer of Islamofascism via moderates taking back their faith, IMHO. That is the final solution to the new threat against humanity. 8:)

[cap'n queasy]

slitedeviance wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Who survives the encounter.

So the victor is the person who can perpitrate genocide more readily? :lol:

Don't you think that is a bit of a leap of logic?

[slitedeviance]

cap'n queasy wrote: slitedeviance wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Who survives the encounter.

So the victor is the person who can perpitrate genocide more readily? :lol:

Don't you think that is a bit of a leap of logic?

Ermmm...

Well, I assume that the survivors of the encounters and subsequent writers of history would be one group. Is that not what we're talking about?

[JoeBen81]

mendosan wrote: JoeBen81 wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Many cultures have been crushed into dust and out of memories. History is written by victors. 8:)
I don't think this applys anymore, in our global age. Even more-so in another 100 years.

I'm sure that's what the Romans thought or the Persians.
Bad comparison. Not much had changed in the way of communication or keeping track of history for all time leading up to the Romans. History was written by those wealthy enough to afford scribes and scrolls. There has been more of a change in communications and record keeping in the past 100 years, than all time. History is no longer written only by those who are victors; like I said, bad comparison.

[b.scheller]

I am an ardent opponent of Huntington. In my opinion, he comes off as a typical ignorant, bigoted Westerner who is likely to think of cultures by their stereotypes rather to know anything about them. People like him are the ones who will cause the clash of civilization, by being totally ignorant of the culture of others, of the rights of others.

Is the West detoriating? I don't deny it, liberal democracy, capitalism and massive consumerism has greatly justified the mass spread apathy that already existed. Apathy that allows for leaders of the "free world" to do whatever they like. To invade countries on ridiculous grounds and to fight a war that is unjustifiable and unconstitutional. Voter turn out is more pathetic than ever.

However, if we are to look back in time, is voter turn out a result of apathy that is stemming now from dissolusion with politics or has apathy and ignorance always been the case and only now are people finding new ways of justyfing their lack of voting? Did people vote before, only because it was seen as taboo not to do so, because they had a greater civic duty?

To state that people were more educated about political issues back in the sixties or seventies is silly.

I believe that as long as stability exists, and their is opportunity to get ahead financially, a lot of people will care little about their political freedoms. To prove this, look at Nazi Germany? Where people were free to make as much money as they could, they supported the regime because it had brought them out of poverty and decrepidness, look at the PRC, where vast advancement has been made. Students no longer go out to protest against the regime, because those same people now have good paying jobs or have the opportunities to make money. The same people who protested in Eastern Europe against communism, would rather have it back. At least during communism they had money (even if their was no product to buy), now they have no money at all, they slave away harder than they did during the communism and yet they can't feed their children or buy anything they'd like.

Most Iraqis could care less if Saddam is gone, as terrible as he was, atleast the terror came from a centralized place. Now, any person on the street might turn out to be a terrorist.

The defiance of Western values in the non-Western world doesn't stem from some cultural divergence, it stems from the fact that it is defiance of democracy, capitalism and what they believe to be just pure neo-colonialist attitudes. Alot of these countries lack of resources or the chaos that has ensued is caused by the colonial policies. Look at the Congo, Zaire, Rwanda, Coite d'Ivoire or the Middle East. The ethnic strife may have existed prior to the imperial powers invading and taking over, but the colonial powers have largely not strengthened these states, they created countries out of the sand lines. They put warring ethnic groups together, they placed friendly ethnic groups against one another.

Now that the West has had a change of heart, has seen the error of its ways after the Second World war, they attempt to once again fix the problems they created by meddling into the affairs of those affected. Half the time they just create newer and bigger problems. Since the time of Colombus, the Christians attempted to enforce their religion upon the world, now the West attempts to impose its values and beliefs on the world that has had not a chance to develop on its own.

As potential as the clash of civilizations may seem from this point of view, I readily do not believe that Islam is joined together, or Buddhists are any closer or the Slavs (who have warred and murdered one another for centuries) are willing to join camps and fight the West or attempt to become the dominant force. The West itself is not homogenous, it is not strengthened by the alliances or trade agreements. Cultures may be dominant in each region of the world, but they are not as dominant as that ignorant bigot makes it out to be.

Is there really any point of making it seem like the next world war is going to be between the West and the rest? It's foolish, diversity is thriving, globalization has helped to diminish the ignorance, has helped to put a stop to imperialism, to the belief of the White man's burden. I do not see the world where whole cultures will rise up and call for war against another culture, just because the cleavages between cultures are huge and there could never be any form of consensus on what to do as a "culture". In the end all these things, are made by humans. They are labels that people associate themselves to be different. Is eating salami or shawarma's make you a better human being? Does it make you really all that different?

The clash of civilization, and Huntington are just justification for the further ignorance of the masses. It supports and promotes, not only ignorance, but intollerance, racism, sexism, and all the other beliefs that somehow propagate some form of superiority over other human beings.

[Mr. Sunshine]

War propagates itself as an expression of the dark side of humanity and the cycle of war is continuous throughout the existence of our species. One might as well be proficient at it. It is better to make the opponent die for his beliefs, rather than to be killed for yours. That is a given. 8:)