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Spitfire
Joined: 18 Oct 2006
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Location: Manchester
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:11 am Post subject: |
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thundertaker wrote: antonio62 wrote: thundertaker wrote: Hell, why don't we just open a brothel in all the HMPs and be done with it, poontang, drugs and booze for all! Prison could by like one big par-tay instead of the grim place of punishment and rehabilitation square, humourless bastards like myself believe it should be........ :roll:
Or why don't we stop feeding them?
Were did I ever suggest prisoners should be brutalised?
Listen mate, if it were up to me, the prisoners would only get the essentials as a baseline, and meagre luxuries would have to be earned by good behaviour and demonstrating good progress towards learning new skills or therapy that will make them less likely to commit crime when they get out.
Prison is not supposed to be an enjoyable experiance. It is supposed to be a place of punishment, were life is so spartan people do not want to end up there ever again.........
Some people would argue that being forced to go cold turkey when you have already started medical treatment to get you off drugs IS a form of brutalisation.
If "prisoners would only get the essentials as a baseline" then surely this means medication that they were receiving before they were sent to prison. Medication is NOT a luxury. Depriving these people of medical treatment they were receiving before being imprisoned is IMO pretty messed up. |
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thundertaker
Joined: 29 Aug 2004
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Location: The right side of the Pennines (Lancashire)
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Spitfire wrote:
Some people would argue that being forced to go cold turkey when you have already started medical treatment to get you off drugs IS a form of brutalisation.
If "prisoners would only get the essentials as a baseline" then surely this means medication that they were receiving before they were sent to prison. Medication is NOT a luxury. Depriving these people of medical treatment they were receiving before being imprisoned is IMO pretty messed up.
Going cold turkey is not physically dangerous for the addict, unlike alcoholism........
To be honest, I'm more in favour of heroin being legalised. That will bring the price down and reduce the need to commit crime to get a fix. It is not the state's responsibility to stop people from doing stupid things like getting addicted to opiates.
However, they are most probably in prison for stealing or commiting other crimes to feed their addiction.
In my opinion, they are entitled to lobby to have their methadone restored to them, but should not have compensation for having that policy reversed. As somebody already pointed out, it'll only get blown on more skag....... |
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antonio62
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
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Location: In a forest unknown
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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thundertaker wrote: Were did I ever suggest prisoners should be brutalised?
When you claimed that they shouldn't be given drugs.
Quote: Listen mate, if it were up to me, the prisoners would only get the essentials as a baseline, and meagre luxuries would have to be earned by good behaviour and demonstrating good progress towards learning new skills or therapy that will make them less likely to commit crime when they get out.
Prison is not supposed to be an enjoyable experiance. It is supposed to be a place of punishment, were life is so spartan people do not want to end up there ever again.........
I agree but not giving drugs to prisoners is torture. I'd actually agrree that serious criminals shouldn't as to be honest they deserve to be tortured but a lot of the criminals who are denied drugs are minor criminals or put in for something that shoudn't be illegal.
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