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[ToonArmyIsComing]

00timh wrote: Most homosexuals preach that what goes on in the bedroom is nobody's business. They should live by their words. If their privacy is important to them then they should give the same respect to others.

Your logic is flawed because privacy has never been absolute just like freedom of speech is not absolute.

The second flaw in your logic is this: you say that we should respect someone who doesn't respect us!!! How many times have you respected someone who has bashed you in public and private and has advocated your rights being taken away?

00timh wrote: Why don't you stop with your predictable rants and actually read what I posted. I am talking about those who are outing someone against their will while at the same time saying that their own privacy should be respected and that their sexuality is nobody's business.

The people who are outed are usually homophobic or support homophobic agendas or homophobic political parties, so outing them isn't about privacy, rather it is about protecting homosexuals from the vicious hatred of the self-righteous right.

[00timh]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: 00timh wrote: Most homosexuals preach that what goes on in the bedroom is nobody's business. They should live by their words. If their privacy is important to them then they should give the same respect to others.

Your logic is flawed because privacy has never been absolute just like freedom of speech is not absolute.

The second flaw in your logic is this: you say that we should respect someone who doesn't respect us!!! How many times have you respected someone who has bashed you in public and private and has advocated your rights being taken away?

00timh wrote: Why don't you stop with your predictable rants and actually read what I posted. I am talking about those who are outing someone against their will while at the same time saying that their own privacy should be respected and that their sexuality is nobody's business.

The people who are outed are usually homophobic or support homophobic agendas or homophobic political parties, so outing them isn't about privacy, rather it is about protecting homosexuals from the vicious hatred of the self-righteous right. I'm talking specifically about one subject, privacy. For those who view it as one of the most important things, they need to give that respect to others. Who is going to give respect back to you guys if you only wish to have privacy for yourselves but don't respect others? Remember, I am specifically targeting those who speak so highly of the privacy issue.

Not that I ever expect any gay person to ever feel sorry for the likes of people such as Haggert or Foley but they are no doubt people who are in conflict. They most likely hate themselves. Why would they publically say one thing and then do the opposite?

By outing them you are't accomplishing a whole other than being vindictive. Those who follow the path that people such as Haggert preach will just fall behind someone else.

For younger people who may have been raised with anti gay sentiments from their family but a logical sense tells them their might not be anything wrong with gay people, seeing them be hypocrits themselves outing people in public is less likely to sway opinions in your favor then living by the words they speak.

[ToonArmyIsComing]

00timh wrote: I'm talking specifically about one subject, privacy. For those who view it as one of the most important things, they need to give that respect to others. Who is going to give respect back to you guys if you only wish to have privacy for yourselves but don't respect others? Remember, I am specifically targeting those who speak so highly of the privacy issue.

Not that I ever expect any gay person to ever feel sorry for the likes of people such as Haggert or Foley but they are no doubt people who are in conflict. They most likely hate themselves. Why would they publically say one thing and then do the opposite?

How do you respect someone's privacy when that person doesn't respect other poeple's privacy?

00timh wrote: By outing them you are't accomplishing a whole other than being vindictive. Those who follow the path that people such as Haggert preach will just fall behind someone else.

Actually, this strategy will cause of headaches for the religious right as far as I can tell.

00timh wrote: For younger people who may have been raised with anti gay sentiments from their family but a logical sense tells them their might not be anything wrong with gay people, seeing them be hypocrits themselves outing people in public is less likely to sway opinions in your favor then living by the words they speak.

I don't know about others, but I am personally disillusioned because I don't think these people care one way or another. They will just look for ways to throw the kitchen sink at us and make us miserable.

[00timh]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: 00timh wrote: I'm talking specifically about one subject, privacy. For those who view it as one of the most important things, they need to give that respect to others. Who is going to give respect back to you guys if you only wish to have privacy for yourselves but don't respect others? Remember, I am specifically targeting those who speak so highly of the privacy issue.

Not that I ever expect any gay person to ever feel sorry for the likes of people such as Haggert or Foley but they are no doubt people who are in conflict. They most likely hate themselves. Why would they publically say one thing and then do the opposite?

How do you respect someone's privacy when that person doesn't respect other poeple's privacy?

00timh wrote: By outing them you are't accomplishing a whole other than being vindictive. Those who follow the path that people such as Haggert preach will just fall behind someone else.

Actually, this strategy will cause of headaches for the religious right as far as I can tell.

00timh wrote: For younger people who may have been raised with anti gay sentiments from their family but a logical sense tells them their might not be anything wrong with gay people, seeing them be hypocrits themselves outing people in public is less likely to sway opinions in your favor then living by the words they speak.

I don't know about others, but I am personally disillusioned because I don't think these people care one way or another. They will just look for ways to throw the kitchen sink at us and make us miserable. By not making it personal against others. It's not their respect you are giving them, it is being respectable in general.

You say it will cause the religious right headaches, only until they get a new leader. Besided that even among the religious right there is no where near the amount of hatred toward's gay people that you think there is.

there will always be some who are making you guys miserable, that's life. I really think though that it is time for many of you to reflect back to a not so distant past and see how far you have come.

[Lumina]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Is it an acceptable practice to out someone? Like those who are hypocritical political opponents.

No, NO, NO. It's wrong. Every person has the right to make this decision for him or herself. I despise "Perez Hilton" (Mario whatshisname from Miami) for doing this.

[ToonArmyIsComing]

00timh wrote: By not making it personal against others. It's not their respect you are giving them, it is being respectable in general.

How can you maintain being respectable in the world of religion and politics with people who don't understand the concept of respect in the first place.

00timh wrote: You say it will cause the religious right headaches, only until they get a new leader. Besided that even among the religious right there is no where near the amount of hatred toward's gay people that you think there is.

Well, these people just do ANYTHING they can to prevent ANY legislation that is supposedly "gay-friendly" to pass through. Even AFTER the legislation has been passed, they still work to abolish the rights of homosexuals. For instance, in Canada, right now they are campaigning to get the gay marriage abolished!

00timh wrote: there will always be some who are making you guys miserable, that's life. I really think though that it is time for many of you to reflect back to a not so distant past and see how far you have come.

They make us miserable, so we'll make them miserable. After all, they are the ones who believe in an "eye for an eye".