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[inbetween]

Watch this video an tell me what you think.

part one
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3230844946178601907&q=jordan+maxwell

part two
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4505255727618585966&q=jordan+maxwell

[Wizard From Oz]

Five minutes of a guy reading from a book was enough for me

Feel free to summarise, but I dont have two hours to spend

[inbetween]

MG1962 wrote: Five minutes of a guy reading from a book was enough for me

Feel free to summarise, but I dont have two hours to spend

I agree...much too long and slow...skip forward to the parts where Jordan Maxwell is speaking. He's the fat dude with the glasses and the receeding hair line. He has around five parts in the documentary that last five to ten minutes each. What he says is basically all you need to watch of this film.

Jordan Maxwell doesn't appear until 24.44 and 48.41 mins respectively of the first part of the video. He appears more in the second part. But, like I said, skip everthing else if you want.

[eynon]

inbetween wrote: Watch this video an tell me what you think.

part one
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3230844946178601907&q=jordan+maxwell

part two
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4505255727618585966&q=jordan+maxwell

can't get it to work.........care to summerize :)

[psholtz]

I'm the first person to be in line for anything that connects Christianity w/ Sun worship and the zodiac.. I find it a really fascinating topic.

However, these speakers were beyond boring..

I couldn't stomach watching more than about 30 seconds of this..

Just b/c it got too boring too fast.

[Saracen]

Whoever associates Christianity with sun worship is someone who associates a monotheistic religion with a pagan belief.

In other words, he's talking out of the wrong end.

[psholtz]

Saracen wrote: Whoever associates Christianity with sun worship is someone who associates a monotheistic religion with a pagan belief.

In other words, he's talking out of the wrong end.
There is some truth to the Christian-Sun Worship link..

If for no other reason than b/c many modern "Christian" institutions are the result of the fusion of Christianity and the Sol Invictus Sun-Worship cult that Constanine engineered in Rome circa 300AD..

But there are probably deeper parallels as well.

Paganism is simply the worship of symbols, rather than the Creator who is the First Cause of those symbols. Paganism is as prevalent in the modern Christian church (<- modern American Christians are probably some of the most pagan, idolatrous creatures that have ever walked upon this planet) as it ever was in ancient systems of Sun worship..

[inbetween]

Saracen wrote: Whoever associates Christianity with sun worship is someone who associates a monotheistic religion with a pagan belief.

In other words, he's talking out of the wrong end.

Typical Christian reaction. You haven't even looked at the video or the facts supporting the evidence.

I agree the speakers in the documentary come across as quite dry, however the material is overwhelming and informative.

Take the time and watch the video and you will be quite amazed at how simple religous dogma is ripped apart.

Again, watch the video before you open your mouth please. Try and fight your Christian brainwashed initial response of stick your fingers in your ears and screaming at the messenger. Use the brain God gave you and watch the video so you can have an informed opinion, rather than a typical gutterol response of fight or flight.

[John]

What part of...we worship Jesus as the incarnate redeemer of mankind do you guys not get?

I guess you could call that Son worship. :lol:

[inbetween]

eynon wrote: inbetween wrote: Watch this video an tell me what you think.

part one
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3230844946178601907&q=jordan+maxwell

part two
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4505255727618585966&q=jordan+maxwell

can't get it to work.........care to summerize :)

I' ll keep in short and brief, but you're going to have to watch the video to analyze the supporting evidence.

The premise goes:

Egyptian religion believed in the idea of a God creating in his image. Thus, believing God is not physically visible, that the sun was God's son, made in his image. The sun became know to the Egyptians as God's son, the light of the world, the risen saviour to mankind. Egyptians would later name the sun, or God's son, Horus.

Horus, like Jesus was also born of a virgin and was born on December 25th. Horus also had 12 diciples, these diciples being the signs of the zodiac. In Egyptian theology Horus died for three days and like Jesus was ressurected on the third day. The similarities are quite amazing, however it is the reasons behind their beliefs that shed light on why and where religion dogma comes from.

One example highlighted in this documentary are the reasons behind Horus's, Jesus's, Krishna's and other godman's ministries starting at the age of 30 and ending with death at the age of 33....watch the video for the dogma behind this reoccuring theme.

Great documentary, watch it...it maybe slow, but the material is fascinating.

Last thing...Lucifer comes from Egypt, not the bible. Another topic in this video. Lucifer is just the planet Venus. That's what Egyptians name Venus...Lucifer...it's that simple. The reason behind it was Venus was visible in the early morning just before sunrise. Thus Venus was named Lucifer, which meant..."bringer of light". Look it up in any encylopdedia...after watching this video, I was completely surprised at how easily all the information presented by the speakers was readily available in mainstream educational resources. Why didn't my Christian pastor ever tell me growing up that name Lucifer was a plagiarism of Egyptian mythology and was simply the name of the planet Venus?

[inbetween]

eynon wrote: inbetween wrote: Watch this video an tell me what you think.

part one
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3230844946178601907&q=jordan+maxwell

part two
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4505255727618585966&q=jordan+maxwell

can't get it to work.........care to summerize :)

The links to google video work fine...I just checked them.

[John]

Quote: Egyptian religion believed in the idea of a God creating in his image. Thus, believing God is not physically visible, that the sun was God's son, made in his image. The sun became know to the Egyptians as God's son, the light of the world, the risen saviour to mankind. Egyptians would later name the sun, or God's son, Horus.


Are you sure you're not talking about Tammuz and the Babylonians? :wink:

[Saracen]

inbetween wrote: Saracen wrote: Whoever associates Christianity with sun worship is someone who associates a monotheistic religion with a pagan belief.

In other words, he's talking out of the wrong end.

Typical Christian reaction. You haven't even looked at the video or the facts supporting the evidence.

I agree the speakers in the documentary come across as quite dry, however the material is overwhelming and informative.

Take the time and watch the video and you will be quite amazed at how simple religous dogma is ripped apart.

Again, watch the video before you open your mouth please. Try and fight your Christian brainwashed initial response of stick your fingers in your ears and screaming at the messenger. Use the brain God gave you and watch the video so you can have an informed opinion, rather than a typical gutterol response of fight or flight.

God gave me a brain not to wash some heretic hogwash like this. The last people I know of who worshipped the sun were the people of the city of Sheba, in modern-day Yemen. The Queen of Sheba and her people were worshippers of the sun, until King Solomon came to her and invited her to the true worship of God.

Other than that, I agree with John: the text provided by the authors in the video can be interpreted and taken in many historical contexts.

And by the way, I'm not a Christian, but a Muslim.

[psholtz]

Saracen wrote: God gave me a brain not to wash some heretic hogwash like this. The last people I know of who worshipped the sun were the people of the city of Sheba, in modern-day Yemen. The Queen of Sheba and her people were worshippers of the sun, until King Solomon came to her and invited her to the true worship of God.
As an interesting side note to this - completely unrelated to sun worship - what you call "Sheba" is actually ambiguous in Hebrew since vowels are ambiguous in that language, and it can in fact also be rendered as "Saba"... There is much talk in archealogy about the "Sabeans", etc, who are (I believe) the same, identical people you are describing above.

At any rate, the interesting this is that what passes in Judaism as "Kaballah" is actually a corruption of the original phrase.. The Jews derive the name from the root "Kaba" but it was originally supposed to be "Saba".. and that this knowledge (Kaballah) came to the Jews via the Sabeans in Yemen.

The story about Queen Sheba meeting Solomon in the Bible is supposed to be an allegory describing how the Kaballah was introduced to the Jews/Israelites..

For what it's worth... :wink:

[psholtz]

inbetween wrote: Why didn't my Christian pastor ever tell me growing up that name Lucifer was a plagiarism of Egyptian mythology and was simply the name of the planet Venus?
There is a great deal in Christianity that is plagarized from Egyptian mythology..

[eynon]

inbetween wrote: Egyptian religion believed in the idea of a God creating in his image. Thus, believing God is not physically visible, that the sun was God's son, made in his image. The sun became know to the Egyptians as God's son, the light of the world, the risen saviour to mankind. Egyptians would later name the sun, or God's son, Horus.

Horus, like Jesus was also born of a virgin and was born on December 25th. Horus also had 12 diciples, these diciples being the signs of the zodiac. In Egyptian theology Horus died for three days and like Jesus was ressurected on the third day. The similarities are quite amazing, however it is the reasons behind their beliefs that shed light on why and where religion dogma comes from.

Yeah I've heard that one before........

Quote: One example highlighted in this documentary are the reasons behind Horus's, Jesus's, Krishna's and other godman's ministries starting at the age of 30 and ending with death at the age of 33....watch the video for the dogma behind this reoccuring theme.

Horus and Krishna died? hmmm.........din't know that.

Quote: Last thing...Lucifer comes from Egypt, not the bible. Another topic in this video. Lucifer is just the planet Venus. That's what Egyptians name Venus...Lucifer...it's that simple. The reason behind it was Venus was visible in the early morning just before sunrise. Thus Venus was named Lucifer, which meant..."bringer of light". Look it up in any encylopdedia...after watching this video, I was completely surprised at how easily all the information presented by the speakers was readily available in mainstream educational resources. Why didn't my Christian pastor ever tell me growing up that name Lucifer was a plagiarism of Egyptian mythology and was simply the name of the planet Venus?

and we get the word Hell from the name of the trash-heap outside of Jerusalem........so many of the symbols behind the Christian religion have pagan roots? I can buy that.........it's one reason we're commanded not to be idolaters......but what does all this have to do with Christian theology?

[eynon]

em..........I can't find any of that stuff they claimed people believed about Horus:

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/horus.html

Isis wasn't a virgin either....Osiris knocked her up before Set killed him.......oh and Osiris was the god who got resurrected, not Horus........

[eynon]

here's another one:

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/horus.htm

this one says that Horus was concieved "magically" by Isis after Osiris's death.....but Isis wasn't a virgin. Oh, nothing on Horus getting killed yet....infact their was a Horus the elder version with Horus as a old man.

[eynon]

this Bagavhad-gita site has Krishna living 125 years before "disapearing" not being killed at 33.......

http://krishna.avatara.org/


where are these guys getting this stuff from? :-|

[inbetween]

Saracen wrote: inbetween wrote: Saracen wrote: Whoever associates Christianity with sun worship is someone who associates a monotheistic religion with a pagan belief.

In other words, he's talking out of the wrong end.

Typical Christian reaction. You haven't even looked at the video or the facts supporting the evidence.

I agree the speakers in the documentary come across as quite dry, however the material is overwhelming and informative.

Take the time and watch the video and you will be quite amazed at how simple religous dogma is ripped apart.

Again, watch the video before you open your mouth please. Try and fight your Christian brainwashed initial response of stick your fingers in your ears and screaming at the messenger. Use the brain God gave you and watch the video so you can have an informed opinion, rather than a typical gutterol response of fight or flight.

God gave me a brain not to wash some heretic hogwash like this. The last people I know of who worshipped the sun were the people of the city of Sheba, in modern-day Yemen. The Queen of Sheba and her people were worshippers of the sun, until King Solomon came to her and invited her to the true worship of God.

Other than that, I agree with John: the text provided by the authors in the video can be interpreted and taken in many historical contexts.

And by the way, I'm not a Christian, but a Muslim.

Solomon is talked about in the documentary as well...interesting you brought him up.

Solomon is just an allegory for the sun as well. It is the sun in three different laguages. Sol - Om - On....Watch the documentary, it's fascinating to see how all this dogma is so easily explained. Another one was the book of Genisis. The Egyptians had a book of Gen of Isis. I forget what Gen was, but Isis is obviously the the goddess Isis. The Hebrews copied alot of what they saw while being enslaved to the Egyptians for hundreds of years...believe or not!