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[tpainefan]

I bring this up for discussion only. Why does the gay population so desire to be married? Is it because only married couples are afforded rights that unmarried couples are? This is for my education on this topic to form an opinion (even though I realize voting is done this will come back in the future and I want to be prepared) For those against gay marriage why? Your arguements are requested to. After all, both sides must be known to make an honest educated opinion. I'll reserve my opinion until sufficent replies are made.

For those that answer, thank you.

[Corona]

I never understood why people put any value in marraige period. That might just be because I'm young, but I don't think so.

[tpainefan]

Value to marriage is individual therefore the reasons are varied.

[Snake]

Why does it matter? Why to heterosexual couples desire to get hitched so badly?

[Corona]

Kim Jong Ill wrote: Why does it matter? Why to heterosexual couples desire to get hitched so badly?

Yea, I never understood the importance of a ceremony with a few rings and lots of tears.

[mODULAR mAN]

Whats funny is that Gay marriage is now such a common phrase that kids growing up are going to be so familiar with it, they won't understand the problem.

The Right, in a sub-masterful move, has pushed their most hated policy topic to the fore-front of people's consciousness. Soon, only the bigots will disapprove, since all other's will have no reason to argue against it.

And already the veneer is beginning to crack.

[agentkgb]

I would think that gays want to be married for the same reasons straights would. I support gay marriage because I believe it should be equal without being separate. I don't really think the government should be involved in marriage, but if it is it should allow equality.

I would assume that this belongs in the Gay/Lesbian fourm.

[Green]

mODULAR mAN wrote: Soon, only the bigots will disapprove, since all other's will have no reason to argue against it.

Here is somewhere where the media is actually helping society. The media I have noticed is painting this portrait that gays are just like you and me in everything other than sexual preference.

[ontheyslay]

I think they desire to be married because of a variety of issues. I believe they want rights that are given to straight couples, and why not, what will it hurt? Why is it such a problem if two men who are married are given all the rights that come with marriage or if its a man and a woman. I also think it's the principle of the thing. Just because you are gay you can't be recognized by the state as a married couple, its disgusting and discriminatory.

There is no such thing as "the sanctity of marriage."

[Snake]

ontheslay wrote: Why is it such a problem if two men who are married are given all the rights that come with marriage

Because every time a gay person has sex, an angel cries :cry:

[Melchior]

People want equal rights, is that a problem? It's not about marriage, not by a long shot, it's about the right to have the same options as everyone else, the right to make any sort of contract without government interference on the conditions of the contract.

No one gave blacks who couldn't drink out of the same fountains as whites questions about "why they so were thirsty". :roll:

[tpainefan]

It's been an hour and here are my thoughts on this subject, please give me your opinions. To me, marriage is a condition or philosophy by the church, whatever church defines marriage between a man and a woman. My biggest complaint with any pro-gay marriage ammendment is that it forces the churches to recognize gay marriages when they really don't. This is contradictory to the seperation of church and state.

Now, if it's because gay couples are not afforded the same rights as heterosexual couples perhaps the measurements or amendments should concentrate on the rights of domestic partners instead of gay marriages, thus not displaying a threat to those whose beliefs are against marriages of the same sex.

[agentkgb]

tpainefan wrote: To me, marriage is a condition or philosophy by the church, whatever church defines marriage between a man and a woman. My biggest complaint with any pro-gay marriage ammendment is that it forces the churches to recognize gay marriages when they really don't. This is contradictory to the seperation of church and state.
In that case, recognition of any marriage by the state would be violating the separation of church and state, not just recognition of gay marriages.

[ieatfood]

There are many many legal ramifications to being married. I really don't know most of them but I'm sure that they exist.

For example, you are allowed to have a joint bank account and are treated as a single entity financially. THis has a lot of financial ramifications including tax breaks, what happens if divorce occurs, or what happens when people get sued. Marriage also has ramifications for adoption purposes. I'm sure there are many more but i'm not well-versed in legaleze to understand them.

[tpainefan]

That's an excellent point that I've never thought of. thank you

[ieatfood]

tpainefan wrote: It's been an hour and here are my thoughts on this subject, please give me your opinions. To me, marriage is a condition or philosophy by the church, whatever church defines marriage between a man and a woman. My biggest complaint with any pro-gay marriage ammendment is that it forces the churches to recognize gay marriages when they really don't. This is contradictory to the seperation of church and state.

Now, if it's because gay couples are not afforded the same rights as heterosexual couples perhaps the measurements or amendments should concentrate on the rights of domestic partners instead of gay marriages, thus not displaying a threat to those whose beliefs are against marriages of the same sex.

no--marriage is not a religious entity
marriage is a secular legal contract defined by complicated regulatoins set forth by the government as law, providing a whole slew of legal privledges for the maried couple.

The fact that many people simultaneously hold a service at a church is a separate issue. As far as the law is concerned, it is a legal binding contract which happens to be regulated by a special set of laws. Gays simply want these laws to apply to them so they can receive the benefits of these legal privledges. I doubt they give a damn if they are considered married from a "religous" point of view.

[LostSoul3412]

Homosexuals want to be married for the same reason that heterosexuals want to get married:

Economic benefits.

[ieatfood]

LostSoul3412 wrote: Homosexuals want to be married for the same reason that heterosexuals want to get married:

Economic benefits.

economic benefit is one of the factors, but there are many others.
There are many legal benefits as well. I just don't know all of them offhand, but marriage law is quite complicated and there's a reason for this complicatoin.

[tpainefan]

LostSoul3412 wrote: Homosexuals want to be married for the same reason that heterosexuals want to get married:

Economic benefits.

Please define those economic benefits

[ontheyslay]

tpainefan wrote: It's been an hour and here are my thoughts on this subject, please give me your opinions. To me, marriage is a condition or philosophy by the church, whatever church defines marriage between a man and a woman. My biggest complaint with any pro-gay marriage ammendment is that it forces the churches to recognize gay marriages when they really don't. This is contradictory to the seperation of church and state.

Now, if it's because gay couples are not afforded the same rights as heterosexual couples perhaps the measurements or amendments should concentrate on the rights of domestic partners instead of gay marriages, thus not displaying a threat to those whose beliefs are against marriages of the same sex.

Marriage is a state institution, not a religious institution.