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[SpartanPhalanx]

Israel today killed 18 civilians and wounded 40 more today with tank-fire being fired into homes of people as they slept. .... women and children are among the dead in what the Palestinian leadership is calling a massacre.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6127250.stm

Israel's criminal leaders need to be in a 6X8 foot cell.....in my humble opinion....and yes I'm being nice.

[The Newb]

Quote: Israeli Defence Minister Amir Peretz ordered the halt in artillery attacks and called for an urgent inquiry into the incident.

The Israelis withdrew from the town on Tuesday following a major offensive centred in Beit Hanoun in which more than 60 Palestinians were killed.

Israel says the operation was aimed at stopping militant rocket fire into Israel from Gaza.


lets wait for judgement until the investigation is complete

"judge not lest ye be judged"

[Plato & Socrates]

SpartanPhalanx wrote: Israel today killed 18 civilians and wounded 40 more today with tank-fire being fired into homes of people as they slept. .... women and children are among the dead in what the Palestinian leadership is calling a massacre.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6127250.stm

Israel's criminal leaders need to be in a 6X8 foot cell.....in my humble opinion....and yes I'm being nice.

You beat me to posting this story Spartan. The Israeli's have sent the government spokes-people to P.R and spin this one out.
But the facts available at the moment are damning. The IDF herself officially stopped military action in the yesterday Tuesday 7th 2006. These victims were fast asleep in the beds. There is no situation of women running into a battle zone, to save there cowardly men and bail them out. (only the love of a mother would do that.) No militants or Kassams being fired.

The poor Israeli female spokeswomen was getting flustered under the questioning. She proclaimed she was a mother herself and "that these killings were harsh, but necessary in order to protect Israeli citizens from Kassams being fired into Israel." BUT she did promise one of those"all far reaching, all encompassing IDF internal inquiries, to see what happened and take the appropriate action" Now where have I heard that one before? :think:

This incident will make it interesting to see the Israeli apologists defend this one. But you can write the script already. The standard news-sheet of "there was militants firing from those houses" etc etc will be doled out to the gullible and more importantly, it will be believed by the faithful. :roll: Here's a British view on things. Watch the News report from SKY news and make up your own mind. It might differ from mine, but hey that's democracy and freedom of thought and speech. news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30200-gaza_081106_0900,00.html

[mendosan]

The IDF always has crap fire discipline, google it, coupled with the dehumanising effect of occupation, you get these sorts of incidents, I don't think for a minute that Israeli politicans and generals order there troops to kill civillians its PR suicide.

[czechmate]

SpartanPhalanx wrote: Israel today killed 18 civilians and wounded 40 more today with tank-fire being fired into homes of people as they slept. .... women and children are among the dead in what the Palestinian leadership is calling a massacre.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6127250.stm

Israel's criminal leaders need to be in a 6X8 foot cell.....in my humble opinion....and yes I'm being nice.

Boo-hoo, Im sure it was a deliberate act :roll:

[Plato & Socrates]

mendosan wrote: The IDF always has crap fire discipline, google it, coupled with the dehumanising effect of occupation, you get these sorts of incidents, I don't think for a minute that Israeli politicans and generals order there troops to kill civillians its PR suicide.

I 100% agree with you Mendosan. I just find this whole situation sad. The needless killing, the needless deaths. Where is the leadership? Where is the forsight? It is devoid from both sides, it is just blame, blame blame and on this forum we sometime follow suit. Myself included. The politicians are the ones who were voted in to clear the path to peace in a sea of hatred. But the truth is both voters voted in people who have as much hate for each other. It is just depressing. Now you have Hamas openly vowing revenge. :roll: Come on Mendosan give me some hope here. When will all this pointless killing stop?

[Afgan]

Fu***** War Criminals! >:

Quote: Israeli shells kill 18 in Gaza

Staff and agencies
Wednesday November 8, 2006
Guardian Unlimited



At least 18 civilians, including eight children, were killed today when Israeli tank shells struck a residential neighbourhood north of the Gaza Strip town of Beit Hanoun, according to witnesses and hospital officials.

Khaled Radi, a health ministry official, said 13 of the dead were from the same family. He said at least 40 more were wounded, all civilians.

Four hospitals across Gaza were treating the wounded, who hospital officials also said were all civilians. Witnesses at the hospitals said that many of the dead arrived in their sleeping clothes.

Palestinian security officials said five tank shells landed in the area within 15 minutes. Most of the victims were in a row of houses belonging to members of the extended Alathamna family.

The Palestinian prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh, said efforts to form a national unity government had been suspended in the wake of the attack, which he described as an "awful massacre".

Mr Haniyeh announced a three-day mourning period throughout the West Bank and Gaza Strip and urged the UN security council to discuss the shelling incident.

The Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, also strongly condemned the attack.

"This is a horrible, ugly massacre committed by the occupation against our children, our women and elderly in Beit Hanoun," Mr Abbas said in a statement. "We urge and call the security council to convene immediately to stop the massacres committed against our people and to uphold their responsibility to stop these massacres."

A spokesman for the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, said he and the defence minister, Amir Peretz, "voiced regret over the deaths of Palestinian civilians ... and offered emergency humanitarian aid to the Palestinian Authority and medical care for the wounded". Mr Peretz ordered the army to halt artillery attacks in the Gaza Strip while the incident was investigated.

The Israeli army said its preliminary investigation indicated it had fired from far away. The army said it was targeting areas where rockets had been fired in recent days at the Israeli cities of Sderot and Ashkelon. Israeli media said an artillery battery had missed its target, a rocket-firing site about half a mile from the town.

In a huge demonstration outside the morgue at the Kamal Adwan hospital in the northern Gaza Strip, thousands called for revenge.

"We are going to fight against the so-called Israel. We are going to launch our rockets; our martyrs are going to sacrifice their lives in the depths of our occupied land," said Nizar Rayan, a Hamas leader in northern Gaza. "They will strike in Jaffa, in Haifa, inside Ashdod. The battle will continue. The rifle is not going to be set down. All of us are martyrs in waiting. Revenge is coming."

In a stark change of tactics, the military wing of Hamas called on Muslims around the world to attack American targets following the attack.

"America is offering political, financial and logistic cover for the Zionist occupation crimes, and it is responsible for the Beit Hanoun massacre. Therefore, the people and the nation all over the globe are required to teach the American enemy tough lessons," Hamas said in a statement sent to the Associated Press.

While critical of the US, Hamas has always focused its violent campaign of suicide bombings and rocket attacks on Israeli targets. A spokesman for the political wing of Hamas, which leads the Palestinian government, Ghazi Hamad, said the state of Israel should cease to exist but insisted the group had no intention of attacking American targets.

"Our battle is against the occupation on the Palestinian land. We have no interest to transfer the battle," he said. "After this barbaric operation, Israel proved that it's not a humane state. It's a state that believes in killing, and therefore this state should cease to exist."

The Hamas political wing, led by Mr Haniyeh, claims it is independent of the military wing. But the two entities both report to the group's secretive leadership, headquartered in Syria, and frequently coordinate with each other.

The Islamic Jihad militant group also called for revenge after the tank attack, seemingly threatening suicide bombings.

"Martyrdom is coming," it said in a statement. "The response will not take long, because the time is ready for punishment, and the time is ready for revenge." Thousands gathered outside hospitals weeping as the bodies arrived. Schoolchildren swept out to the street to protest against the attack as mosques broadcast angry speeches on the street.

Dozens of schoolchildren were trying to storm an empty EU mission building in Gaza City, according to witnesses, throwing stones and bottles. Palestinian security forces tried to prevent them from entering the building.

Rahwi Hamad, 75, said he was awoken by the sound of explosions at about 5.15am (7.15am GMT) and emerged from his home to find body parts and pools of blood in the streets.

"I saw people coming out of the house, bleeding and screaming. I carried a girl covered with blood," he said. "Inside the houses, we evacuated dismembered bodies. We saw legs, hands, parts of heads stuck to the wall. Everything was disgusting. This is the worst, bloody scene I have ever seen."

The deaths come after a more than week-long operation by Israeli forces against Palestinian militants, who are said to be launching rocket attacks over the border from Beit Hanoun.

Last week, two women were killed, apparently by Israeli gunfire, as they were making their way to a mosque to aid militants who had taken refuge in the town.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1942129,00.html

Interesting Blog comment :

It is clear that America is to blame for this massacre of children. US can stop Israel if it really wants to. It seems to turn a blind eye to state terrorism committed by Israel.

Today Israel has just killed 8 sleeping children. When army behaves in this kind of brutal way, it is no wonder that Palestinians resort to desperate measures to defend themsleves. This type of indiscriminate targeting of innocent civilians by Israel leads to spiral of violence that we see on our televisions every night.

When you look at piles of dead babies one on top of another, and their mothers craying besides them, you cant help think that Israel has become a barbaric state. Israeli army are a bunch of baby killers. They often open fire on women and children.

Israel has committed a very evil act, under the green light from Washington. Blood of these civilians is on hands of Prime Minister Olmert and President Bush.

Bush and Olmert should stand trial for crimes against humanity.

[mendosan]

Quote: t is clear that America is to blame for this massacre of children.

Absolutly ridiclous the person to blame is the one who fire the shells, I find it incredible that anyone would claim it was the US or Bush, people really need to look up the IDF and fire disciplne.

Anyone that tries to claim this is IDF policy or Israeli goverment or US policy should really have a think about it.

[Plato & Socrates]

mendosan wrote: Quote: t is clear that America is to blame for this massacre of children.

Absolutly ridiclous the person to blame is the one who fire the shells, I find it incredible that anyone would claim it was the US or Bush, people really need to look up the IDF and fire disciplne.

Anyone that tries to claim this is IDF policy or Israeli goverment or US policy should really have a think about it.

The statistics of the IDF and fire discipline, would'nt placate you, if that was your mother, father, son or daughter, brother or sister, aunt or uncle, butchered and killed, by the so called lack of IDF fire discipline, would it Mendosan? However much I may agree with your assessment, at times like this to the victims and lets not forget there are victims here. That excuse however understandable to some, will just not cut it. Just like the excuse of indiscipline amongst young disaffected Palestinian men, who want to harm Israeli's, have poor fire discipline. Would that excuse cut any ice amongst the Israeli government?

This shell caused so much damage, there was limbs all over the place, whilst this extended family slept.
Now we have Hamas vowing to abandon the ceasefire and promising revenge. In this sick world of strike, counter striker and counter counter strike, these 2 sick sides play. Hamas's argument that Israel kills Palestinians with impunity, looks a credible accusation. It is a case of just one more fruitless investigation, which invariably leads to nothing. Hamas will strike back, and with the twisted logic both sides apply, Hamas will claim a pseudo moral high-ground to attack back.

People must stop thinking that armies are only deployed for defense and to do good things. What is so hard for people to understand, that the culture of the IDF allows soldiers to act in such a way, with virtually zero repercussion from there IDF superiors. Forget the P.R and the ideals of this army. The facts point to another conclusion. Some of these army personnel act like mini terrorist units within the IDF. What other facts must be bought to light, for people to acknowledge that not only does the IDF carry out legitimate defence for the state of Israel. The culture of this organisation, also allows things like this to flourish.

There will be the usual, no admission of guilt. Just the same Israeli, stay the course doctrine. "it was done to protect Israeli civilians from attack" or the usual "there was militant activity in the area" Who on earth expects to hear anything different? If so by Pay-pal, I'll bet anyone £50 sterling. Any takers? And yet again as far as Israel is concerned, she has done nothing wrong. She just wants to live in peace. Israel has clearly developed the Psyche of a pathological liar. Apply Occam's razor to Israels excuses for these kinds of incidences, and see what your left with.

[SpartanPhalanx]

Plato & Socrates wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: Israel today killed 18 civilians and wounded 40 more today with tank-fire being fired into homes of people as they slept. .... women and children are among the dead in what the Palestinian leadership is calling a massacre.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6127250.stm

Israel's criminal leaders need to be in a 6X8 foot cell.....in my humble opinion....and yes I'm being nice.

You beat me to posting this story Spartan. The Israeli's have sent the government spokes-people to P.R and spin this one out.
But the facts available at the moment are damning. The IDF herself officially stopped military action in the yesterday Tuesday 7th 2006. These victims were fast asleep in the beds. There is no situation of women running into a battle zone, to save there cowardly men and bail them out. (only the love of a mother would do that.) No militants or Kassams being fired.

The poor Israeli female spokeswomen was getting flustered under the questioning. She proclaimed she was a mother herself and "that these killings were harsh, but necessary in order to protect Israeli citizens from Kassams being fired into Israel." BUT she did promise one of those"all far reaching, all encompassing IDF internal inquiries, to see what happened and take the appropriate action" Now where have I heard that one before? :think:

This incident will make it interesting to see the Israeli apologists defend this one. But you can write the script already. The standard news-sheet of "there was militants firing from those houses" etc etc will be doled out to the gullible and more importantly, it will be believed by the faithful. :roll: Here's a British view on things. Watch the News report from SKY news and make up your own mind. It might differ from mine, but hey that's democracy and freedom of thought and speech. news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30200-gaza_081106_0900,00.html


Plato, we've seen these massacres before. The sad thing is that the public have a short attention span and people (meaning public in the West) will move on from this incident quite quickly. Tank fire into populated areas has happened many times before in Gaza. Granted the casualties were less in previous episodes, but the Israeli M.O is the same.....so are their "investigations into the incident"....nothing is done. Remember that Israeli officer who pumped his entire hand-gun magazine ... 17 rounds into a 10 year old little girl about 2 years ago? nothing was done then as I'm sure nothing will be done now.

I haven't forgotten it.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1643573,00.html

[Zoot]

So 18 civilians dead, in order to stop Kassams.

Anyone know the last time a Kassam killed someone?

[yETII90]

SpartanPhalanx wrote: Israel today killed 18 civilians and wounded 40 more today with tank-fire being fired into homes of people as they slept. .... women and children are among the dead in what the Palestinian leadership is calling a massacre.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6127250.stm

Israel's criminal leaders need to be in a 6X8 foot cell.....in my humble opinion....and yes I'm being nice.

They could have atleast given them time to ran away, and not do it while sleeping people are near the blast, and ofcourse this has given Hamas, a trump card they can use to gain influence over the Palestinian people.

[Zoot]

Yes, those tricky Hamas, twisting the wholesale slaughter of Palestinian civilians around into making Israel seem like bad guys.

[mendosan]

SpartanPhalanx wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: Israel today killed 18 civilians and wounded 40 more today with tank-fire being fired into homes of people as they slept. .... women and children are among the dead in what the Palestinian leadership is calling a massacre.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6127250.stm

Israel's criminal leaders need to be in a 6X8 foot cell.....in my humble opinion....and yes I'm being nice.

You beat me to posting this story Spartan. The Israeli's have sent the government spokes-people to P.R and spin this one out.
But the facts available at the moment are damning. The IDF herself officially stopped military action in the yesterday Tuesday 7th 2006. These victims were fast asleep in the beds. There is no situation of women running into a battle zone, to save there cowardly men and bail them out. (only the love of a mother would do that.) No militants or Kassams being fired.

The poor Israeli female spokeswomen was getting flustered under the questioning. She proclaimed she was a mother herself and "that these killings were harsh, but necessary in order to protect Israeli citizens from Kassams being fired into Israel." BUT she did promise one of those"all far reaching, all encompassing IDF internal inquiries, to see what happened and take the appropriate action" Now where have I heard that one before? :think:

This incident will make it interesting to see the Israeli apologists defend this one. But you can write the script already. The standard news-sheet of "there was militants firing from those houses" etc etc will be doled out to the gullible and more importantly, it will be believed by the faithful. :roll: Here's a British view on things. Watch the News report from SKY news and make up your own mind. It might differ from mine, but hey that's democracy and freedom of thought and speech. news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30200-gaza_081106_0900,00.html


Plato, we've seen these massacres before. The sad thing is that the public have a short attention span and people (meaning public in the West) will move on from this incident quite quickly. Tank fire into populated areas has happened many times before in Gaza. Granted the casualties were less in previous episodes, but the Israeli M.O is the same.....so are their "investigations into the incident"....nothing is done. Remember that Israeli officer who pumped his entire hand-gun magazine ... 17 rounds into a 10 year old little girl about 2 years ago? nothing was done then as I'm sure nothing will be done now.

I haven't forgotten it.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1643573,00.html

But again, thats not IDF policy to murder 10 year old girls is it? or there would be a lot more dead, Im sure half these incidents wouldn't happen if IDF discipline was better ( I know I go one about it), remeber Hadifa in Iraq the unit which allegadly carried it out was suffering from poor discipline.

Quote: The culture of this organisation, also allows things like this to flourish.

Its not just culture, or discipline its also the nature of conscript armys and the effects of being the occupier.

This wouldn't happen if Israel didn't feel it was underthreat and no longer felt it had to send troops into Gaza, these murders (yes! murders) will keep happning utill theres a final peace that both sides stick to, forever!

[Zoot]

Quote: This wouldn't happen if Israel didn't feel it was underthreat and no longer felt it had to send troops into Gaza, these murders (yes! murders) will keep happning utill theres a final peace that both sides stick to, forever!

You assume that Israel sends troops into Gaza because it feels "under threat". I'm sure the troops and civilians feel under threat, of course. To an extent, they are. If you're living on land that used to belong to a few million people you're not letting back in, you're gonna get a bit jumpy.

[Plato & Socrates]

mendosan wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: Israel today killed 18 civilians and wounded 40 more today with tank-fire being fired into homes of people as they slept. .... women and children are among the dead in what the Palestinian leadership is calling a massacre.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6127250.stm

Israel's criminal leaders need to be in a 6X8 foot cell.....in my humble opinion....and yes I'm being nice.

You beat me to posting this story Spartan. The Israeli's have sent the government spokes-people to P.R and spin this one out.
But the facts available at the moment are damning. The IDF herself officially stopped military action in the yesterday Tuesday 7th 2006. These victims were fast asleep in the beds. There is no situation of women running into a battle zone, to save there cowardly men and bail them out. (only the love of a mother would do that.) No militants or Kassams being fired.

The poor Israeli female spokeswomen was getting flustered under the questioning. She proclaimed she was a mother herself and "that these killings were harsh, but necessary in order to protect Israeli citizens from Kassams being fired into Israel." BUT she did promise one of those"all far reaching, all encompassing IDF internal inquiries, to see what happened and take the appropriate action" Now where have I heard that one before? :think:

This incident will make it interesting to see the Israeli apologists defend this one. But you can write the script already. The standard news-sheet of "there was militants firing from those houses" etc etc will be doled out to the gullible and more importantly, it will be believed by the faithful. :roll: Here's a British view on things. Watch the News report from SKY news and make up your own mind. It might differ from mine, but hey that's democracy and freedom of thought and speech. news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30200-gaza_081106_0900,00.html


Plato, we've seen these massacres before. The sad thing is that the public have a short attention span and people (meaning public in the West) will move on from this incident quite quickly. Tank fire into populated areas has happened many times before in Gaza. Granted the casualties were less in previous episodes, but the Israeli M.O is the same.....so are their "investigations into the incident"....nothing is done. Remember that Israeli officer who pumped his entire hand-gun magazine ... 17 rounds into a 10 year old little girl about 2 years ago? nothing was done then as I'm sure nothing will be done now.

I haven't forgotten it.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1643573,00.html

But again, thats not IDF policy to murder 10 year old girls is it? or there would be a lot more dead, Im sure half these incidents wouldn't happen if IDF discipline was better ( I know I go one about it), remeber Hadifa in Iraq the unit which allegadly carried it out was suffering from poor discipline.

Quote: The culture of this organisation, also allows things like this to flourish.

Its not just culture, or discipline its also the nature of conscript armys and the effects of being the occupier.

This wouldn't happen if Israel didn't feel it was underthreat and no longer felt it had to send troops into Gaza, these murders (yes! murders) will keep happning utill theres a final peace that both sides stick to, forever!

I understand your point Mendosan. But look at it like this. I am sure Hamas, Islamic Jihad, The Al-Aqsa martyrs brigade et al, have carried out missions and some of there terrorist operatives have gone way overboard of what was asked. Who on earth would listen to the terrorist bulls**t explanation by there spokesmen that "these terrorists went rogue"? and we'll investigate it.

Not all terrorist acts are to kill as much people as possible. Sometimes they do go after specific people. When going after a specific person and they kill a bystander or 5, does Israel view that Jewish death as collateral? Neither do I. People must stop defending some Israeli crimes, like this obviously is and condemn. Unfortunately many pro-Israeli's here don't portray the same level of distinguishing right and wrong like you can, but will instead defend all Israeli action to the hilt. No matter how absurd the stance.

[GrowHydro]

In all of humanity, there are surely common traits that span all of our species' many senseless divisions. I say senseless for a reason, NO MATTER what religion you subscribe to, Allah willing, you will find yourself sincerely overwhelmed with compassion when you see an innocent, children, elderly, etc killed. May God the most high strike me down before I ever commit such gross sin.

Quote: [5:32] Because of this, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. Our messengers went to them with clear proofs and revelations, but most of them, after all this, are still transgressing. - The Holy Quran
Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God, they read, and believe in the the scriptures sent to them by the same prophets. It is a single religion, one group: those who believe in the God of Abraham.
If Israel is sincerely a Jewish state, then the policy should fit accordingly. If the Israeli state truly wanted and strives for peace & righteousness (according to the faith), more than they desire the supremacy and safety of their race's Earthly property in Palestine.
As early as 1948, they revealed what dwelt in their hearts, or more appropriately what was lacking.

Quote: [2:92] Moses went to you with profound miracles, yet you worshiped the calf in his absence, and you turned wicked.

[2:93] We made a covenant with you, as we raised Mount Sinai above you, saying, "You shall uphold the commandments we have given you, strongly, and listen." They said, "We hear, but we disobey." Their hearts became filled with adoration for the calf, due to their disbelief. Say, "Miserable indeed is what your faith dictates upon you, if you do have any faith."

[2:94] Say, "If the abode of the Hereafter is reserved for you at GOD, to the exclusion of all other people, then you should long for death, if you are truthful."

[2:95] They never long for it, because of what their hands have sent forth. GOD is fully aware of the wicked.

[2:96] In fact, you will find them the most covetous of life; even more so than the idol worshipers. The one of them wishes to live a thousand years. But this will not spare him any retribution, no matter how long he lives. GOD is seer of everything they do.

[GrowHydro]

Plato & Socrates wrote: Unfortunately many pro-Israeli's here don't portray the same level of distinguishing right and wrong like you can, but will instead defend all Israeli action to the hilt. No matter how absurd the stance. Christians who are sincere in their faith, should never be supporting Israeli military policy. Christians are suposed to be brothers to muslims. Hypocrisy is the only explanation.

[yETII90]

Zoot wrote: Yes, those tricky Hamas, twisting the wholesale slaughter of Palestinian civilians around into making Israel seem like bad guys.

I never said Israel was innocent, but yes I don't like Hamas.

[GrowHydro]

yETII90 wrote: Zoot wrote: Yes, those tricky Hamas, twisting the wholesale slaughter of Palestinian civilians around into making Israel seem like bad guys.

I never said Israel was innocent, but yes I don't like Hamas. I don't know, I was blessed with a safe life in America, but if i grew up in a refugee camp, seen my parents humiliated and homeless, seen my family killed as a result of the actions of the same force that is responsible for all the adversities that affect most Palestinians. The generation of Palestinians we have today that you see blowing themselves up, are 3rd or 4th generation refugees. Many of their parents, grandparents, would have fought either in resistance or actual battle, but whats most important is the circumstances of their fight. They want to bring back a time before Israel crushed and oppressed their brothers and sisters, and Israel has the last major superpower today, the US, on its side. This brings with it an almost outright concession for Israel's right to use its military unilaterally. The USA even goes so far as to portray itself as if they even really don't care.

Many Palestinians don't have many options, and they as a people are, or at least have now become, proud, selfless, and religious.

An act of terrorism, can not be ultimately judged for what it is until it is fully understood.