Political Crossfire Forums

[ToonArmyIsComing]

I think Vatican is sending a powerful message and its message is quite clear: If you are gay, religion is not for you. If you want to be in the religion, become straight. The implication of this is quite interesting because simply put the Vatican is in effect asserting its power by saying who gets to be God's favourite subject and who is damned!

Quote: Vatican Begins Witch Hunt for U.S. Gays

The Vatican has identified a list of seminaries that it will target to weed out homosexual priests and bar them from the priesthood.

by Editor-in-Chief on 2005-09-27

(New York City) The Vatican has begun its investigation of America's 229 seminaries to root out gays.

The threat that the Catholic Church was embarking on a pogrom against gay clergy first arose last month when new regulations submitted to Pope Benedict for his approval suggested that gays not be considered for the priesthood.

The Church is attempting to lay blame on gays for the child abuse scandal that has rocked Roman Catholicism. Vatican investigators arrived in the US this week to gauge the scale of the scandal and to determine how many gay priests are in the priesthood.

A document obtained by the New York Times shows the investigators will seek to have priests turn in suspected gays. The Times said it received the document from a priest "who was granted anonymity because he feared retribution".

It shows that the inquisitors will conduct confidential interviews with every faculty member and seminarian, as well as everyone who graduated in the last three years.

Among the questions all seminarians and teachers will be asked are: ?Is there evidence of homosexuality in the seminary?" and "Are there signs of particular friendships.? Both questions must be answered the document says.

Meanwhile, Pope Benedict continues to study the proposal for barring gays from entering the seminaries. But, archbishop Edwin O'Brien, the American cleric leading the investigation in an interview last week with a Catholic publication said that "anyone who has engaged in homosexual activity, or has strong homosexual inclinations,? should not be admitted to a seminary.

The Human Rights Campaign labeled the investigation a witch hunt.

?The real debate around this witch hunt isn?t between us and the Vatican, it?s between the Vatican and the truth,? said HRC President Joe Solmonese. ?When the church makes gay men a scapegoat for pedophiles, it ignores one problem and creates another. It does nothing to keep children safe or punish criminals.?

http://www.generationq.net/GenQCMS/viewarticle.php?article=672&COIN=04d880b35110966b6d56a6f66991dc07

[John Galt]

Uh, of course the Vatican is saying this. Christians have been saying this for literally thousands of years. I don't see why you seem so shocked? This isn't news.

There has been no change in stance by the Vatican on this issue. There is nothing new. Homosexuality is an "objective disorder" that is "ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil".



As for priests, if you look at ancient tradition, semen were considered more or less little people and the womb was only the host. We know that now not to be true but you must understand that this type of thinking forged the reason why we have male priests. Males -- unlike females -- could hold inside them males and females (at least so was the thinking) and the priest acts as the whole of the Catholoic faith when he does things like hears your sins in reconciliation.

Someone who has an objectivie disorder who is ordered towards intrinsic moral evil cannot be such a person.

I do believe that someone now has to have "homosexual tendacies" to be removed, and I am cetrain the word was "tendacies."

I tend to drive home each day around 5:30pm. While I may differ a bit -- I tend to do it because I do it often. Priests have to be celibate anyway, this is no suprise from the Vatican that people who tend to be homosexuals (tend to act in a homosexual way -- that is have sex with other men) are barred from the priesthood.

[mODULAR mAN]

I hope it turns into a witch hunt!

"To find out if you're a flamer, we'll burn you at the stake. If you burn up, you weren't gay, if you don't you are, but we'll kill you."

Or, "Stick your penis in this mans buttocks. If you do, you're gay and we'll have to kill you, if you don't, we'll assume you're hiding that you're gay and we'll have to kill you..."
:lol:


If there ever needed to be a sign that the Xian religion is bad for humanity, it is their insane demonizing of homosexuality. :roll:

[Babylon_Horuv]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: I think Vatican is sending a powerful message and its message is quite clear: If you are gay, religion is not for you. If you want to be in the religion, become straight. The implication of this is quite interesting because simply put the Vatican is in effect asserting its power by saying who gets to be God's favourite subject and who is damned!

Quote: Vatican Begins Witch Hunt for U.S. Gays

The Vatican has identified a list of seminaries that it will target to weed out homosexual priests and bar them from the priesthood.

by Editor-in-Chief on 2005-09-27

(New York City) The Vatican has begun its investigation of America's 229 seminaries to root out gays.

The threat that the Catholic Church was embarking on a pogrom against gay clergy first arose last month when new regulations submitted to Pope Benedict for his approval suggested that gays not be considered for the priesthood.

The Church is attempting to lay blame on gays for the child abuse scandal that has rocked Roman Catholicism. Vatican investigators arrived in the US this week to gauge the scale of the scandal and to determine how many gay priests are in the priesthood.

A document obtained by the New York Times shows the investigators will seek to have priests turn in suspected gays. The Times said it received the document from a priest "who was granted anonymity because he feared retribution".

It shows that the inquisitors will conduct confidential interviews with every faculty member and seminarian, as well as everyone who graduated in the last three years.

Among the questions all seminarians and teachers will be asked are: ?Is there evidence of homosexuality in the seminary?" and "Are there signs of particular friendships.? Both questions must be answered the document says.

Meanwhile, Pope Benedict continues to study the proposal for barring gays from entering the seminaries. But, archbishop Edwin O'Brien, the American cleric leading the investigation in an interview last week with a Catholic publication said that "anyone who has engaged in homosexual activity, or has strong homosexual inclinations,? should not be admitted to a seminary.

The Human Rights Campaign labeled the investigation a witch hunt.

?The real debate around this witch hunt isn?t between us and the Vatican, it?s between the Vatican and the truth,? said HRC President Joe Solmonese. ?When the church makes gay men a scapegoat for pedophiles, it ignores one problem and creates another. It does nothing to keep children safe or punish criminals.?

http://www.generationq.net/GenQCMS/viewarticle.php?article=672&COIN=04d880b35110966b6d56a6f66991dc07

Catholic Priests are required to be celibate. Gay or straight, if they are having sex they shouldn't be priests. If they aren't having sex how could they possibly be shown to be gay? I don't see an issue here.