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MindlessSheep
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: Hypocrisy of Religion |
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| I never question anyone's faith. To me faith is essential to being human. The problem usually exits in the structure of religion that is created by man. It seems like man has created religion to use people's faith against them. If you look at the history of religion it has changed over the years depending on who's in charge, but the faith remains constant. I could be wrong but it looks like religion was created by the rich and powerful to keep the masses down. The whole meek with inherit the earth, stay humble, turn the other cheek makes those who are down trodden think that being stepped on is a badge of honour. Just some thoughts, religion is flawed, faith is true. |
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dtwizzy2k5
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you a deist by any chance? Because you sound like one... |
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Gilbert1908
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Hypocrisy of Religion |
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MindlessSheep wrote: I never question anyone's faith. To me faith is essential to being human. The problem usually exits in the structure of religion that is created by man. It seems like man has created religion to use people's faith against them. If you look at the history of religion it has changed over the years depending on who's in charge, but the faith remains constant. I could be wrong but it looks like religion was created by the rich and powerful to keep the masses down. The whole meek with inherit the earth, stay humble, turn the other cheek makes those who are down trodden think that being stepped on is a badge of honour. Just some thoughts, religion is flawed, faith is true.
In fact the opposite is true in the case of Christianity.
Christ, His apostles and the subsequent followers in the first 300 years of Christianity, were not the rich and powerful, in fact they were persecuted by both the Romans who saw them as rabble AND the Jews who viewed them as blasphemers and in fact the message was that EVERYONE IS THE SAME, that no one is above any other. |
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mODULAR mAN
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Hypocrisy of Religion |
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Gilbert1908 wrote: MindlessSheep wrote: I never question anyone's faith. To me faith is essential to being human. The problem usually exits in the structure of religion that is created by man. It seems like man has created religion to use people's faith against them. If you look at the history of religion it has changed over the years depending on who's in charge, but the faith remains constant. I could be wrong but it looks like religion was created by the rich and powerful to keep the masses down. The whole meek with inherit the earth, stay humble, turn the other cheek makes those who are down trodden think that being stepped on is a badge of honour. Just some thoughts, religion is flawed, faith is true.
In fact the opposite is true in the case of Christianity.
Christ, His apostles and the subsequent followers in the first 300 years of Christianity, were not the rich and powerful, in fact they were persecuted by both the Romans who saw them as rabble AND the Jews who viewed them as blasphemers and in fact the message was that EVERYONE IS THE SAME, that no one is above any other.
Yes, interesting that they preached exaclty what they were interested in. That they told people to get rid of all their possessions...
Couldn't they get a job and buy their own stuff?
Faith: Why is faith true? What is "true" about it? |
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Gilbert1908
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Hypocrisy of Religion |
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mODULAR mAN wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: MindlessSheep wrote: I never question anyone's faith. To me faith is essential to being human. The problem usually exits in the structure of religion that is created by man. It seems like man has created religion to use people's faith against them. If you look at the history of religion it has changed over the years depending on who's in charge, but the faith remains constant. I could be wrong but it looks like religion was created by the rich and powerful to keep the masses down. The whole meek with inherit the earth, stay humble, turn the other cheek makes those who are down trodden think that being stepped on is a badge of honour. Just some thoughts, religion is flawed, faith is true.
In fact the opposite is true in the case of Christianity.
Christ, His apostles and the subsequent followers in the first 300 years of Christianity, were not the rich and powerful, in fact they were persecuted by both the Romans who saw them as rabble AND the Jews who viewed them as blasphemers and in fact the message was that EVERYONE IS THE SAME, that no one is above any other.
Yes, interesting that they preached exaclty what they were interested in. That they told people to get rid of all their possessions...
Couldn't they get a job and buy their own stuff?
Faith: Why is faith true? What is "true" about it?
Wealth and Christianity are not incompitable, worship of money and Christianity are.
You can not accuse Christians of being overly simple and then make an assertion that is not only simplistic but false.
Faith is NOT true or false but that in which one's faith is placed is. So if you ask a Christian what about their faith is true they will say Jesus Christ.
The fact that you are not convinced is of no consequence to that faith any more than my faith alone has any consequence on your faith that there is no God. |
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eynon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Hypocrisy of Religion |
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mODULAR mAN wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: MindlessSheep wrote: I never question anyone's faith. To me faith is essential to being human. The problem usually exits in the structure of religion that is created by man. It seems like man has created religion to use people's faith against them. If you look at the history of religion it has changed over the years depending on who's in charge, but the faith remains constant. I could be wrong but it looks like religion was created by the rich and powerful to keep the masses down. The whole meek with inherit the earth, stay humble, turn the other cheek makes those who are down trodden think that being stepped on is a badge of honour. Just some thoughts, religion is flawed, faith is true.
In fact the opposite is true in the case of Christianity.
Christ, His apostles and the subsequent followers in the first 300 years of Christianity, were not the rich and powerful, in fact they were persecuted by both the Romans who saw them as rabble AND the Jews who viewed them as blasphemers and in fact the message was that EVERYONE IS THE SAME, that no one is above any other.
Yes, interesting that they preached exaclty what they were interested in. That they told people to get rid of all their possessions...
Couldn't they get a job and buy their own stuff?
Faith: Why is faith true? What is "true" about it?
they had jobs: Carpenter, Fishermen, Tax Collector.........all considered middle to upper-middle class jobs for their time. |
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eynon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Hypocrisy of Religion |
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MindlessSheep wrote: I never question anyone's faith. To me faith is essential to being human. The problem usually exits in the structure of religion that is created by man. It seems like man has created religion to use people's faith against them. If you look at the history of religion it has changed over the years depending on who's in charge, but the faith remains constant. I could be wrong but it looks like religion was created by the rich and powerful to keep the masses down. The whole meek with inherit the earth, stay humble, turn the other cheek makes those who are down trodden think that being stepped on is a badge of honour. Just some thoughts, religion is flawed, faith is true.
:tu: I more or less agree, I find God through my faith, not my religion(which seems to be around more for the sake of humans then the sake of God).......
although organized religion has done a lot of good through-out history(kinda in the same way the Qin or Roman empires did a lot of good), afterall can't get too angry at the people who gave us the weekend :wink: |
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MindlessSheep
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess a major problem that I have with organized religion, is the amount of hypocrisy. All of the major religions preach love they neighbor, thou shall not kill and turn the other cheek, but ever where you turn somebody is killing somebody else in the name of their religion. Doesn't this kind of hypocrisy strike anyone else as odd? |
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toddytodd
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MindlessSheep wrote: I guess a major problem that I have with organized religion, is the amount of hypocrisy. All of the major religions preach love they neighbor, thou shall not kill and turn the other cheek, but ever where you turn somebody is killing somebody else in the name of their religion. Doesn't this kind of hypocrisy strike anyone else as odd?
I think the basis of many religions are love, acceptance and tolerance. Unfortunately, there are many extremists out there in any religion, and these seem to be the ones we remember for the most part (with the exception of the main originator of each religion I would think).
Basically, humans are hypocritical, imperfect beings. Humans are part of religions. Religions can become hypocritical, not because of the main message of the belief, but because of the people (imperfect beings) practicing that religion. |
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cap'n queasy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Hypocrisy of Religion |
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MindlessSheep wrote: I never question anyone's faith. To me faith is essential to being human. The problem usually exits in the structure of religion that is created by man. It seems like man has created religion to use people's faith against them. If you look at the history of religion it has changed over the years depending on who's in charge, but the faith remains constant. I could be wrong but it looks like religion was created by the rich and powerful to keep the masses down. The whole meek with inherit the earth, stay humble, turn the other cheek makes those who are down trodden think that being stepped on is a badge of honour. Just some thoughts, religion is flawed, faith is true.
You might find this article interesting.
http://www.christinyou.net/pages/Xnotrel.html |
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DwightEisenhower
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| I think of religion as a reponse to an experience of the transcendant. The response aspect requires human action. The transcendant figure doesn't change but humanity does. I find it hard to place Middle Age Christians and modern Christians in the same category; the people are the product of their times but the God to which they pledge their alleigance (or claim to) is absolute. If one scientist fakes his results, society doesn't turn its back on science. That's why I hate when people attack Catholicism because of abusive priests or Born-Again Christians because of the pastor who dealt with a male prostitute. Don't blame God or religion, blame the anomalies. |
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Dr. Wojtyla
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| Faith is a weakness of the human mind. Everyone suffers from it. |
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eynon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Dr. Wojtyla wrote: Faith is a weakness of the human mind. Everyone suffers from it.
narcissism too......... :wink: |
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Dr. Wojtyla
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:25 am Post subject: |
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eynon wrote: Dr. Wojtyla wrote: Faith is a weakness of the human mind. Everyone suffers from it.
narcissism too......... :wink:
Oh, I wouldn't call it suffering. |
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eynon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Dr. Wojtyla wrote: eynon wrote: Dr. Wojtyla wrote: Faith is a weakness of the human mind. Everyone suffers from it.
narcissism too......... :wink:
Oh, I wouldn't call it suffering.
touche :lol:
self-love can be rewarding, if a bit messy....... |
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milk carton
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