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LostSoul3412
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Boater4000 wrote: But god didn't say that man cannot be killed.
No, in fact, God specifically stated that all men would be doomed to death when God placed the curses upon Adam.
Genesis 3:19 : "you are of dust, and to dust you shall return" |
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LostSoul3412
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Corona wrote: What the hell kind of God would make an immovable rock so he could move it later?
An awesome God beyond your mortal comprehension. |
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LostSoul3412
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: |
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feederband wrote: Na. If he's behind the scenes pulling the strings then he would be known as the drunkerd god...Or one that loves us being in misery...
Next time you have a chance, read the Book of Revelations, the Book of Daniel, the Book of Joel, and Genesis 6.
God has no problem is purging the world. |
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LostSoul3412
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Boater4000 wrote: If he can do anything, then can he overwrite a past ABSOLOUTE decision? If so, then that decision was not absoloute, as he can overwrite it.
You're assuming to know what God deems as "absolute"... |
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Topside
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:54 am Post subject: |
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LostSoul3412 wrote: feederband wrote: Na. If he's behind the scenes pulling the strings then he would be known as the drunkerd god...Or one that loves us being in misery...
Next time you have a chance, read the Book of Revelations, the Book of Daniel, the Book of Joel, and Genesis 6.
God has no problem is purging the world.
And you have no problem worshipping a god that will kill 99% of the population at his whim? |
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Babylon_Horuv
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Boater4000 wrote: Omniscience also has never made sense to me (another reason for this thread). Assuming the Christian Genesis story, God would have had to have known exactly what would have happened. When God determined the scale and effect of human emotions and reasoning, he would have to have seen the eating of the apple. But that's another point.
I guess the two could be merged, but I'd like to hear thoughts focusing on omnipotence first.
well, if I were imnipotent, the first thing I would do would be to make myself omniscient. |
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Babylon_Horuv
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The Comrade wrote: Boater4000 wrote: But god didn't say that man cannot be killed.
ummm adam and eve(Assuming we're going by christianity)were never intended to be killed.
That isn't true. Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, rather than the fruit of the tree of eternal life. Had they eaten of the tree of life they would have lived forever, but they did not. So, like the animals that they were, they would die. They became like the gods in their understanding of good and evil, but not like the gods in being immortal. |
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Babylon_Horuv
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Todd D. wrote: Can God make a two sided triangle? Can God make an all black ship that is red?
Just because you can say something doesn't mean that the tautology of the concept doesn't contradict the two being together.
Those are merely definitions. How do you define black? Or red? |
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Babylon_Horuv
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Boater4000 wrote: If he can do anything, then can he overwrite a past ABSOLOUTE decision? If so, then that decision was not absoloute, as he can overwrite it. I'm not questioning that he can make a rock like this, merely if he can move it later and still be called "all powerful"
He would simply never have made the rock immovable if he was going to wish to move it later. |
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Babylon_Horuv
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LostSoul3412 wrote: Boater4000 wrote: Omniscience also has never made sense to me (another reason for this thread). Assuming the Christian Genesis story, God would have had to have known exactly what would have happened. When God determined the scale and effect of human emotions and reasoning, he would have to have seen the eating of the apple. But that's another point.
I believe you're talking about predestination, which has been developed by Calvinism as an answer to omniscience.
However, as far as omniscience goes, I believe that the extent of such is that God already knows every possible course of action, and all of the effects of such decision, thus setting a chain of motions into effect. However, we are still the ones who make the choices, thus, free will. God did, indeed, foresee Adam's curse as a possibility, however, He did not make Adam eat.
A better question would be to inquire as to why God placed the apple there at all...
So that someone would eat it. Actually, Satan does an awfully good job of manipulating not only man, but God as well in this story and also in Job. He convinces god to kick them out on the assumption that if they ate of the other tree they would be like the gods, as if God couldn't prevent them from eating of it if he wished. Makes me question God's Omnipotence and Omniscience (well it would if I actually believed in either to begin with) |
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The Comrade
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Boater4000 wrote:
But that would make the first statement NOT an absoloute. Ah well. Concepts there.
god=all powerful
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