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[Rankor and Pissing]

Now that the elections are almost decided - and the edge to the Senate seems to be swinging to the Democrats as well, the Congress will be a majority Democrat, with the next 2 years to prove the DNC is the way to go with the Presidential nomination.

Remember?
Frivolous lawsuits against Gun manufacturers
The useless Assault Weapons Ban
Restrictions on clips, ammunition, and "black guns"
Limited reciprocity laws
Limited or no CCW
Laser inscribed bullet casings
Rep. Conyers national handgun ban
Small handgun bans
National Gun Registration
Revocation of the Lawful Commerce in Arms Act


Well folks, it's going to be a tough few years and possibly longer for patriots upholding the 2nd Amendment. While I have been hearing the majority of Democrats who are coming into Congress are "moderates", I'm not sure what "moderate" means. According to the NRA, the democrats winning last night are not very friendly to the 2nd Amendment. For those of you who enjoy lots of freedoms... brace yourselves for the inevitable assault on those freedoms. As for me, nothing will change since my state is one of the most unfriendly to firearms in the country... with an exception to NY City and San Francisco.

If you're all dismissing this as impossible, I'd suggest reading the following link... our courts aren't going to save us, neither are their interpretation of the Constitution. This is going to be another 1980's all over again; 2 steps forward, 1 step back.

http://www.gunowners.com/fs0603.htm

[micfranklin]

The democrats won? Sorry, I was too tired from studying to stay up and watch the results.

Hell, with everything you just described they may just end up banning guns altogether.

[Wolverine]

The devil is our new govener. :twisted:

[Hank Rearden]

R&P, you are correct, this is a dark day for gun owners. Under a Republican house and senate we got some significant freedoms:

1. Experation of the ban on many semi-autos and ban on standard capacity magazines
2. Limited protection of the firearms industry from friviolas law suits designed to bankrupt the industry
3. Some level of control on BATFE with regard to revoking FFLs over trivial paper work errors, such as a customer putting in Y instead of Yes...
4. Gun shows have not been banned

So what's to come? I'm thinking its time to go out and stock up on some new toys before it's too late. Gotta get over this sick feeling first.

[wyldejackyl]

I think it's time to get rid of the two-party system and usher in some of the Libertarian Party. Seems you either have to deal with republicans and all their disasters, or the democrats and all their disasters that infringe on our freedoms. Your damned if you do, and damned if you don't no matter how you vote.

I think if another gun ban is proposed, people should stand up and flat out SHOW how statistics prove that a gun ban is worthless, using the data from the last one as proof. I wish politicians would stop "banning" every goddamned thing instead and work on solutions to problems..not prevent the ownership of mere inanimate objects. Am I the only one that thinks this is asinine? That and the campaign commercials that all they do is talk trash about the other candidate. Instead they should focus on what they can do for us, not what the other guy is doing for himself. Ridiculous..what is this, 5th grade? I think this election was yet another sham. It's like choosing between dog sh!t and cat sh!t for dinner..one has to be better than the other if you're really hungry, but there's no reason not to have something better entirely offered along with it. What does it take to run for office? The punchcards should have more than two choices. Hell, I'll run. It's getting to the point where people need to stand up and do something.

[Freedom_Isnt_Free]

Now this is gonna make me sound crazy but this is what I beleive:

The second amendment states that, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
If the liberals try and take that right away from it's time to rise up and defend our freedom.
Because if you take one away, isn't it likely they'll take others, we can't let our government take this socialist, 'share the wealth' theme that the left is coming to. With Nancy Pelosi in Power im, to be quite honest, afraid.

Just pray for another house cleaning.

[perdidochas]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: Now that the elections are almost decided - and the edge to the Senate seems to be swinging to the Democrats as well, the Congress will be a majority Democrat, with the next 2 years to prove the DNC is the way to go with the Presidential nomination.

Remember?
Frivolous lawsuits against Gun manufacturers
The useless Assault Weapons Ban
Restrictions on clips, ammunition, and "black guns"
Limited reciprocity laws
Limited or no CCW
Laser inscribed bullet casings
Rep. Conyers national handgun ban
Small handgun bans
National Gun Registration
Revocation of the Lawful Commerce in Arms Act


Well folks, it's going to be a tough few years and possibly longer for patriots upholding the 2nd Amendment. While I have been hearing the majority of Democrats who are coming into Congress are "moderates", I'm not sure what "moderate" means. According to the NRA, the democrats winning last night are not very friendly to the 2nd Amendment. For those of you who enjoy lots of freedoms... brace yourselves for the inevitable assault on those freedoms. As for me, nothing will change since my state is one of the most unfriendly to firearms in the country... with an exception to NY City and San Francisco.

If you're all dismissing this as impossible, I'd suggest reading the following link... our courts aren't going to save us, neither are their interpretation of the Constitution. This is going to be another 1980's all over again; 2 steps forward, 1 step back.

http://www.gunowners.com/fs0603.htm

I don't see it, yet. The dems are smart enough not to give Republicans a rallying cry. One of the main reasons for the Republican revolution of 1994 was the passing of the AWB and Brady Bill, etc. Now, if the dems stay in power for few terms, that will change.

[britboy]

Freedom_Isnt_Free wrote: Now this is gonna make me sound crazy but this is what I beleive:

The second amendment states that, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
If the liberals try and take that right away from it's time to rise up and defend our freedom.
Because if you take one away, isn't it likely they'll take others, we can't let our government take this socialist, 'share the wealth' theme that the left is coming to. With Nancy Pelosi in Power im, to be quite honest, afraid.

Just pray for another house cleaning.

Yea it does make you sound slightly crazy to be honest. plenty of places have taken away guns without infringing upon any other rights.

I don't think the 'have guns or be socialist' argument is really very useful!

[Freedom_Isnt_Free]

Quote: Yea it does make you sound slightly crazy to be honest. plenty of places have taken away guns without infringing upon any other rights.



Well i'm talking about getting rid of the 2nd amendment completely not just setting restrictions and things of that nature (which i'm against but not so radically) And i'm not saying infringing on other rights WILL happen i'm simply saying it COULD

Quote:

I don't think the 'have guns or be socialist' argument is really very useful!

That is taking what I said out of context, taking away our rights is socialist, I know plenty of people that don't own guns, I don't care, that has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's when you start taking away ourrights that you start going to a socialist government.

[micfranklin]

Freedom_Isnt_Free wrote: Now this is gonna make me sound crazy but this is what I beleive:

The second amendment states that, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
If the liberals try and take that right away from it's time to rise up and defend our freedom.
Because if you take one away, isn't it likely they'll take others, we can't let our government take this socialist, 'share the wealth' theme that the left is coming to. With Nancy Pelosi in Power im, to be quite honest, afraid.

Just pray for another house cleaning.

Yeah, I used to think that the 2nd amendment meant that government couldn't interfere with the people keeping weapons. Stupid me, looks like I got a lot to learn :?

wyldejackyl wrote: I think it's time to get rid of the two-party system and usher in some of the Libertarian Party.

I could not agree more, which is why I had a tough time voting yesterday.

[Blinky]

Freedom_Isnt_Free wrote: Now this is gonna make me sound crazy but this is what I beleive:

The second amendment states that, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
If the liberals try and take that right away from it's time to rise up and defend our freedom...

New Orleans...

[thefranzkafkafront]

Get ready to fight.

[mODULAR mAN]

micfranklin wrote: The democrats won? Sorry, I was too tired from studying to stay up and watch the results.

Hell, with everything you just described they may just end up banning guns altogether.

C'mon! you guys are nuts. They have never tried to ban guns any more than Republicans try to ban gay marriage.

It's too good of an issue to get people out to vote, and only a minority of Americans want it.

The election is over - stop with the fear mongering already. you will be able to keep and shoot your pretty little bang sticks.

[JDHURF]

I agree with modularman, there is no legitimate reason to fear an extreme revocation of second ammendment rights. I am libertarian but I voted party line democratic down the line, I support the second ammendment and there was never a point in time where I was under the impression that by voting democratic I was voting for the revocation of second ammendment rights.

[Rankor and Pissing]

JDHURF wrote: I agree with modularman, there is no legitimate reason to fear an extreme revocation of second ammendment rights. I am libertarian but I voted party line democratic down the line, I support the second ammendment and there was never a point in time where I was under the impression that by voting democratic I was voting for the revocation of second ammendment rights.

No reason? Are you kidding me? I just listed the reasons... there's also 8 years of Bill Clinton to go dig into... no reason?

[JDHURF]

Well back here in reality, Democrats, if even obtaining a majority in the Senate will retain a very slim majority, still face the executive branch of government. They also realize that what the country is calling for is moderate bi-partisanship; Nancy Pelosi has already vocalized her acknowledgement of this and many of the democrats who were victorious were moderate to conservative. To go around claiming that democrats are going to tear down the second amendment – when, in reality, they have far more policies which take priority – is nothing but bitterness over the republican “thumpin’” (to use Bush’s own words) and hyperbolic fear-mongering. IMO

[perdidochas]

Hank Rearden wrote: R&P, you are correct, this is a dark day for gun owners. Under a Republican house and senate we got some significant freedoms:

1. Experation of the ban on many semi-autos and ban on standard capacity magazines
2. Limited protection of the firearms industry from friviolas law suits designed to bankrupt the industry
3. Some level of control on BATFE with regard to revoking FFLs over trivial paper work errors, such as a customer putting in Y instead of Yes...
4. Gun shows have not been banned

So what's to come? I'm thinking its time to go out and stock up on some new toys before it's too late. Gotta get over this sick feeling first.

Of those, the only two we have to worry about for the time being are 2 and 4. 1 is a loser for them. 3 is not under their control (it's an executive branch decision). I predict 4 will be enacted, or more specifically, I think private sales will be outlawed--all sales will have to go through a dealer. That means if you give a gun to your kid at age 18, you're going to have to pay a dealer $25 to do it.

[perdidochas]

JDHURF wrote: I agree with modularman, there is no legitimate reason to fear an extreme revocation of second ammendment rights. I am libertarian but I voted party line democratic down the line, I support the second ammendment and there was never a point in time where I was under the impression that by voting democratic I was voting for the revocation of second ammendment rights.

Not yet. Give them an election cycle or two (or a dem president). I do predict a ban on private sales that aren't through a FFL holder (already California law).

[Rankor and Pissing]

JDHURF wrote: Well back here in reality, Democrats, if even obtaining a majority in the Senate will retain a very slim majority, still face the executive branch of government. They also realize that what the country is calling for is moderate bi-partisanship; Nancy Pelosi has already vocalized her acknowledgement of this and many of the democrats who were victorious were moderate to conservative. To go around claiming that democrats are going to tear down the second amendment – when, in reality, they have far more policies which take priority – is nothing but bitterness over the republican “thumpin’” (to use Bush’s own words) and hyperbolic fear-mongering. IMO

Saying it's hyperbolic fear-mongering doesn't mesh with historical fact. Do the Democrats have bigger fish to fry? Certainly... but that won't prevent slipping some chock full of restrictions. You DO realize that the Democratic party is funded by billionaire George Soros, who wants ALL guns illegal in the U.S. correct? You DO realize that Conyers has for the past years tried to get passed a ban on handguns. That the IANSA has and will continue to work with Democratic leadership such as Waxman, Pelosi, Conyers, Boxer, Feinstein...as well with the Brady Campaign to remove existing 2nd Amendment freedoms...

These are not some ethereal and vacuous myths that are easily dismissed. These bills exist. These Congressmen and women have stated it over and over... they want to castrate the NRA, they want guns off the streets. Feinstein wants to make all guns illegal. Sorry, no fear mongering here - just facts. If you don't believe me you should research it for yourself... if you already have, the professionals call that "denial".

[Green]

Our democrat Nick Lampson is replacing Tom DeLay. His is good with guns.