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[pikers]

In Missouri of course are voting for McCaskill in "urban" areas.:roll: Following that of course is the AMENDMENT that puts stem cell research in the MO CONSTITUTION. Well, all that does is make these companies exempt from examination.

It would be nice if brainwashed Dems in gerrymandered urban voting districts would vote the issues instead of party line. But then, if independent thought were their forte, they wouldn't be in the permanent bad situation they're in...

[Cal-Pak]

And of course the "rural" areas all voted for Talent.
Maybe if a Republican had to watch a family member die from alzheimer's or have Parkinson's or any other of the number of disease Stem Cell Research could cure.(If they let them work on it they may find cures)

Maybe they would vote on the issue, instead of the Party. :roll:

[Prog]

pikers wrote: In Missouri of course are voting for McCaskill in "urban" areas.:roll: Following that of course is the AMENDMENT that puts stem cell research in the MO CONSTITUTION. Well, all that does is make these companies exempt from examination.

It would be nice if brainwashed Dems in gerrymandered urban voting districts would vote the issues instead of party line. But then, if independent thought were their forte, they wouldn't be in the permanent bad situation they're in...

Dem Dems own the House and are gunning for the Senate! Gotta love it!

[zentrait]

pikers wrote: It would be nice if brainwashed Dems in gerrymandered urban voting districts would vote the issues instead of party line. But then, if independent thought were their forte, they wouldn't be in the permanent bad situation they're in...

EEE... gad. The title to this thread was hypocritical enough... now chunks of hypocrisy is being blown all over. I can ensure you that there have been no Republican sheep for the past 12 years. :wink:

Worry about cells that could save peoples lives, that's the real issue, people dying in the name of lies...that's not a big deal.

[JoeBen81]

pikers wrote: In Missouri of course are voting for McCaskill in "urban" areas.:roll: Following that of course is the AMENDMENT that puts stem cell research in the MO CONSTITUTION. Well, all that does is make these companies exempt from examination.

It would be nice if brainwashed Dems in gerrymandered urban voting districts would vote the issues instead of party line. But then, if independent thought were their forte, they wouldn't be in the permanent bad situation they're in...
Your way of thinking =

Edit: Take a page from 00timh.

[Marine1]

Cal-Pak wrote: And of course the "rural" areas all voted for Talent.
Maybe if a Republican had to watch a family member die from alzheimer's or have Parkinson's or any other of the number of disease Stem Cell Research could cure.(If they let them work on it they may find cures)

Maybe they would vote on the issue, instead of the Party. :roll:

Because those are purely diseases that Democrates get right? No Repub. has ever had to deal with them. :roll:

I could see Alzheimer's, I would want to forget being a Dem to but seriously, come on.

Marine

[Fido]

Marine1 wrote: Cal-Pak wrote: And of course the "rural" areas all voted for Talent.
Maybe if a Republican had to watch a family member die from alzheimer's or have Parkinson's or any other of the number of disease Stem Cell Research could cure.(If they let them work on it they may find cures)

Maybe they would vote on the issue, instead of the Party. :roll:

Because those are purely diseases that Democrates get right? No Repub. has ever had to deal with them. :roll:

I could see Alzheimer's, I would want to forget being a Dem to but seriously, come on.
Marine

This sort of non sense discussion is why parties win and people lose. Stem cell research affects a fraction of the population. Abortion affects a fraction of the population. Inheritance taxes affect a fraction of the population. The major problems that affect all our standards of living and future that have their roots in party politics, and constitutional failures are left unattended so we can bash each other on personalities, and minutia. This is the U.S.Titanic we are on. We are going down by the bow. We are sinking or lost on our ability to produce and ship. We can innovate and invent so long as we do not turn our inventive minds on the machine of government.

We have borrowed our future. We do not own this country. We do not own our homes. We don't make enough to avoid debt, and live constantly in debt. What is our system of politics offering us as a cure? All we get in a new target for our abuse. What is one representative going to do for us? The huge numbers that elect these people are too large for a riot, and too small for a revolution. And they break very often at the 50/50 point. What does that tell you except that division is our government. Our government has resulted in division without hope of reconciliation. Who but the collected idiots on both sides believe party is the answer?

[Cal-Pak]

Marine1 wrote: Cal-Pak wrote: And of course the "rural" areas all voted for Talent.
Maybe if a Republican had to watch a family member die from alzheimer's or have Parkinson's or any other of the number of disease Stem Cell Research could cure.(If they let them work on it they may find cures)

Maybe they would vote on the issue, instead of the Party. :roll:

Because those are purely diseases that Democrates get right? No Repub. has ever had to deal with them. :roll:

I could see Alzheimer's, I would want to forget being a Dem to but seriously, come on.

Marine
No because pikers was claiming that this only passed because of Democratic sheep. And I was pointing out that Republican sheep always go the other way. But if they had encounters with one of these disease maybe they would not be sheep, but think for themselves. Like Nancey Regan was a strong supporter of Stem Cell research because she witnessed the effects of Alzheimer's first hand.

And this may be why it passed, people saw an opportunity to find a cure or treatment for these diseases, and believe they should at least try it.

[mr crunchy]

sheep in the democratic party??

this coming from the party that has millions of evangelical christians pouring money into the pockets of guys like pat robertson james dobson and everyones favorite party boy

ted""im feelin pretty"" haggard??

hypocricy is the reason the GOP got its ass handed to it on tuesday

[perdidochas]

Cal-Pak wrote: And of course the "rural" areas all voted for Talent.
Maybe if a Republican had to watch a family member die from alzheimer's or have Parkinson's or any other of the number of disease Stem Cell Research could cure.(If they let them work on it they may find cures)

I'm a Republican and I have seen my grandfather die of Alzheimer's and my grandmother die of Parkinson's. I still oppose embryonic stem cell research. Unethical research produces unethical cures. After WWII, we rejected even looking at the unethical research that the Nazi experimenters did, despite the fact that they did find solutions to rescuing hypothermia victims. This is no different.

[Rankor and Pissing]

mr crunchy wrote: sheep in the democratic party??

this coming from the party that has millions of evangelical christians pouring money into the pockets of guys like pat robertson james dobson and everyones favorite party boy

ted""im feelin pretty"" haggard??

hypocricy is the reason the GOP got its ass handed to it on tuesday

I though it was Iraq and a "new direction". What political position did Ted Haggard hold? Nice try... just remember that when the ass gets handed back to you - which inevitably will happen btw. :roll:

[mODULAR mAN]

Aren't those "sheep" the same people that voted for Rep's last time? :roll:

Just admit you hate that you lost. The Dem's ran a better campaign.

THey voted the most important issue: Iraq, and know that Dem's aren't gonna take guns away.

[Demonic Spoon]

pikers wrote: In Missouri of course are voting for McCaskill in "urban" areas.:roll: Following that of course is the AMENDMENT that puts stem cell research in the MO CONSTITUTION. Well, all that does is make these companies exempt from examination.

It would be nice if brainwashed Dems in gerrymandered urban voting districts would vote the issues instead of party line. But then, if independent thought were their forte, they wouldn't be in the permanent bad situation they're in...

Wow. Are you honestly trying to say that Republican politicians don't tow the party line, and Democrats do? Wow. Just wow.

[KimJong_is_Ill]

perdidochas wrote: Cal-Pak wrote: And of course the "rural" areas all voted for Talent.
Maybe if a Republican had to watch a family member die from alzheimer's or have Parkinson's or any other of the number of disease Stem Cell Research could cure.(If they let them work on it they may find cures)

I'm a Republican and I have seen my grandfather die of Alzheimer's and my grandmother die of Parkinson's. I still oppose embryonic stem cell research. Unethical research produces unethical cures. After WWII, we rejected even looking at the unethical research that the Nazi experimenters did, despite the fact that they did find solutions to rescuing hypothermia victims. This is no different.

Never posted here before.. but I have to correct this silly statement.

There is nothing unethical about Embryonic Stem Cell Research.

They can use left-over blastocyts from fertility clinics that are thrown away anyways.

I'm not sure what myths or legands you've been fed on this subject.. but this type of research has nothing to do with abortion or anything along those lines

[mr crunchy]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: mr crunchy wrote: sheep in the democratic party??

this coming from the party that has millions of evangelical christians pouring money into the pockets of guys like pat robertson james dobson and everyones favorite party boy

ted""im feelin pretty"" haggard??

hypocricy is the reason the GOP got its ass handed to it on tuesday

I though it was Iraq and a "new direction". What political position did Ted Haggard hold? Nice try... just remember that when the ass gets handed back to you - which inevitably will happen btw. :roll:


heres the way i see it
the hawks in the GOP who sent this nation into war never ever considered fighting themselves yet extoll the virtues of combat as if they knew
therefore they are hypocrites

the christian right wing evangelists like sweet teddy haggard will tell you that you and the nation are going to hell if you participate in gay sex or support gay rights
meanwhile in a 20.00 a night hotel
mr haggard is snorting crystal while grabbing his ankles dressed like tinkerbell....
hypocrite

they're there on the left as well
i called clinton out after he stuffed the most viscous sexual harrasment laws in the world down our throats as hes sexually provoking every women who came into contact with him
meanwhile the national org of women shuts their mouths in deafening silence
hypocrites

i call spades spades in every instance.

[Rankor and Pissing]

mr crunchy wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: mr crunchy wrote: sheep in the democratic party??

this coming from the party that has millions of evangelical christians pouring money into the pockets of guys like pat robertson james dobson and everyones favorite party boy

ted""im feelin pretty"" haggard??

hypocricy is the reason the GOP got its ass handed to it on tuesday

I though it was Iraq and a "new direction". What political position did Ted Haggard hold? Nice try... just remember that when the ass gets handed back to you - which inevitably will happen btw. :roll:


heres the way i see it
the hawks in the GOP who sent this nation into war never ever considered fighting themselves yet extoll the virtues of combat as if they knew
therefore they are hypocrites

The majority of "hawks" are either serving or ex-military anyway, though I understand the political gains critics have, citing "hawks" that have never served themselves.

mr crunchy wrote: the christian right wing evangelists like sweet teddy haggard will tell you that you and the nation are going to hell if you participate in gay sex or support gay rights
meanwhile in a 20.00 a night hotel
mr haggard is snorting crystal while grabbing his ankles dressed like tinkerbell....
hypocrite Agreed... but one thing has nothing to do with the other, unless you tie Haggard to the "Hawks" with something specific. Simply generalizing "hawks" with "conservative hypocrites" is analagous to tying Mao who was a "communist" to Pelosi who's a liberal Democrat and saying they are the same.

mr crunchy wrote: i call spades spades in every instance. I have no issue with this either - I just don't see the tie in.

[mr crunchy]

haggard had a direct line into the whitehouse and was a stalwart for core right wing values that bush championed and he was the head of a 30,000,000 member church.
lots of power and influence there

many on the evangelical right decided to stay home or out and out switched parties due to the shenanigans of mr haggard and the humiliation that many in his church felt.
the victories that the dems had in indiana kentucky kansas nc and several other traditional republican bases was made a lot easier after the scandals that behooved mr haggard.
in fact
parishoner after parishoner rushed to his defense as late as friday of last week.
it all came down on them sunday at church when the coward had a subordinate offer a weak and lame explanation to the masses who were gathered in prayer hoping beyond hope that their hero wasnt a pickle smoocher and speed head.

ive been scorned and embarassed before as has eveyone i guess.
it took more than 48 hours to heal

and just as the ohio referendum on gay marriage may have swayed that state to the gop in 2004,,i feel this time it had an adverse effect on the gop and its usually reliable core supporters who did indeed send them a message in the voting booth.

as far as the bush cabinet goes
the only man who had any combat experiece was colin powell and his career came to an end within weeks of selling the iraq war to the u.n.
the military who are actually fighting the war in bagdad have been clamoring for rummies head privatley for a couple years now and publically they whacked him just this week in the military papers..

when the military news calls for the defense secretarys head and then releases the printed version a week before election day??
its high time someone in the oval office paid attention and in this case it was a day late.

by no means is this a liberal victory despite pelosi winning the speakers job
in fact
if anything the democrats took a turn to the right with several moderates winning and in the case of virginia a former republican won the senate
madame speaker would be wise to incorporate these centrists into the mix immediately and move her own butt back to the middle where the country wants it

[Fido]

You know, I found out why the good shepherd was always carrying that lamb. You see, if a lamb likes to wander off and see the big broad world on his own, when the shepherd finds him he smashes his foot with a rock, and so he has to carry the lost sheep for a while when they move. After a while the sheep gets it, cause ever time he thinks of freedom his foot starts to hurt him.

We are all stuck. There isn't either of us that is more stuck than all stuck. To change the thing we have to do it together.

[zentrait]

Fido wrote: We are all stuck. There isn't either of us that is more stuck
than all stuck. To change the thing we have to do it together.

... yepper

[perdidochas]

KimJong_is_Ill wrote: perdidochas wrote: Cal-Pak wrote: And of course the "rural" areas all voted for Talent.
Maybe if a Republican had to watch a family member die from alzheimer's or have Parkinson's or any other of the number of disease Stem Cell Research could cure.(If they let them work on it they may find cures)

I'm a Republican and I have seen my grandfather die of Alzheimer's and my grandmother die of Parkinson's. I still oppose embryonic stem cell research. Unethical research produces unethical cures. After WWII, we rejected even looking at the unethical research that the Nazi experimenters did, despite the fact that they did find solutions to rescuing hypothermia victims. This is no different.

Never posted here before.. but I have to correct this silly statement.

There is nothing unethical about Embryonic Stem Cell Research.

They can use left-over blastocyts from fertility clinics that are thrown away anyways.

I'm not sure what myths or legands you've been fed on this subject.. but this type of research has nothing to do with abortion or anything along those lines

Well, I also believe that in vitro fertilization is unethical, due to the "left-over blastocysts" among other reasons.

I am well aware of the issues involved. I have a B.S. and Master's degree in biology.

Also, from my research on this subject, we will find that ESR is going to be less than useful. ESR treatments will have the same problem with rejection as any other treatment that involves somebody else's cells. Let's say that a Parkinson's victim gets a treatment from ESR from a non-related "leftover blastocyst." The chances of rejection of those ESR's is pretty high.