Political Crossfire Forums

Superfly · Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 5106 Location: Tornado Alley

I don't know if I'd go so far as to call someone lazy, but damn, I sure love the ability to go look on the internet to look up information, than having to run down to the library. Not that I mind the library - the smell and the atmosphere is calming. I just like the convenience.

I like the convenience of buying fresh vegetables from the market instead of having to plant them and grow them.

I like having the convenience of driving to work instead of having to walk 12 miles.

I love the convenience of having a snow blower, instead of having to shovel out my driveway every morning.

Has it made me fat, lazy and complacent? I don't think so. I park farthest away from the store to get the extra exercise. I always take the stairs. I always look for ways to get in a little extra exercise, because I can't always take the time to force myself to jog or walk after dinner. Plus, I am on my feet 12 hours a day, so I do OK. :-)

However, on my drive home, every day, I pass this guy standing at the foot of the off-ramp. He's in his early 20s, with a slight paunch, so he has eaten. He needs to be attacked with a bar of soap and a hosepipe, but other than that, he looks quite normal, and healthy, and ABLE.

Why is it that he holds a sign that says "Need money for food." Why doesn't he work? If he's able to stand on his feet, day in and day out, and beg for money, why not get, at the minimum, a day laborer job?

I don't get it.

ieatfood · Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 6505

The Comrade wrote: ieatfood wrote:

no one is forcing you to work--you can be lazy and live off the system too

everyone makes their own choices and lives the consequences of those choices. If you are bitter about the choices that you have made, no reason to take it out on others who have made different choices.

i have every reason to. getting everything for free is bulls**t, especially when you have every ability to work, and choose not to because you're LAZY

do i have to go through my pursuit of happiness speech again?

THe US is about pursuit of happiness--it says so right in our constitution. Different people have different views of how to be happy. SOMe people need to work 80 hours a week to be happy. Others would rather be unemployed. The thing is, it is arrogant to think that your philosphy on life is necessariy correct. It is quite wrong to assume that there is a "right" and a "wrong" way to live. Everyone has different goals in life and everyone has different methods of achieving those goals. Just because people aren't doing what you would necessarily do does not make them wrong, or worthy of your ridicule.

Some people whom you label "lazy" simply value their free time more than you. They would look at you and say--"what an idiot, wasting his life away working." Someone else might say, anyone who works less than 80 hours a week is a lazy bum. Of course, no one is right or wrong, people are simply different and have different ideas of what it means to pursue happiness. The great thing about the US is its freedom--people have the right to do what they want--to pursue happiness in their own way. And if they think that anyone who works more than 20 hours a week is an idiot, then they have no more right to judge you than you have to judge them.

If you oppose welfare, then be angry at the lawmakers who instituted it, not the people who accept it. People are selfish (you included) and will do what is in their self-interest. If the government decided to cut you a check for 10 million dollars, would you not cash it, even though it was unfair for the rest of society? That makes you just as despicable as the people you judge. Gimme a break.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

ieatfood wrote: The Comrade wrote: ieatfood wrote:

no one is forcing you to work--you can be lazy and live off the system too

everyone makes their own choices and lives the consequences of those choices. If you are bitter about the choices that you have made, no reason to take it out on others who have made different choices.

i have every reason to. getting everything for free is bulls**t, especially when you have every ability to work, and choose not to because you're LAZY

do i have to go through my pursuit of happiness speech again?

THe US is about pursuit of happiness--it says so right in our constitution. Different people have different views of how to be happy. SOMe people need to work 80 hours a week to be happy. Others would rather be unemployed. The thing is, it is arrogant to think that your philosphy on life is necessariy correct. It is quite wrong to assume that there is a "right" and a "wrong" way to live. Everyone has different goals in life and everyone has different methods of achieving those goals. Just because people aren't doing what you would necessarily do does not make them wrong, or worthy of your ridicule.

Some people whom you label "lazy" simply value their free time more than you. They would look at you and say--"what an idiot, wasting his life away working." Someone else might say, anyone who works less than 80 hours a week is a lazy bum. Of course, no one is right or wrong, people are simply different and have different ideas of what it means to pursue happiness. The great thing about the US is its freedom--people have the right to do what they want--to pursue happiness in their own way. And if they think that anyone who works more than 20 hours a week is an idiot, then they have no more right to judge you than you have to judge them.

If you oppose welfare, then be angry at the lawmakers who instituted it, not the people who accept it. People are selfish (you included) and will do what is in their self-interest. If the government decided to cut you a check for 10 million dollars, would you not cash it, even though it was unfair for the rest of society? That makes you just as despicable as the people you judge. Gimme a break.

and once again how do i not have the right to be mad that these people are sucking the system dry?

i have every right to. unless of course i don't have the right to free speech?

The Grandmaster · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject:

ieatfood wrote: The Comrade wrote: ieatfood wrote:

no one is forcing you to work--you can be lazy and live off the system too

everyone makes their own choices and lives the consequences of those choices. If you are bitter about the choices that you have made, no reason to take it out on others who have made different choices.

i have every reason to. getting everything for free is bulls**t, especially when you have every ability to work, and choose not to because you're LAZY

do i have to go through my pursuit of happiness speech again?

THe US is about pursuit of happiness--it says so right in our constitution. Different people have different views of how to be happy. SOMe people need to work 80 hours a week to be happy. Others would rather be unemployed. The thing is, it is arrogant to think that your philosphy on life is necessariy correct. It is quite wrong to assume that there is a "right" and a "wrong" way to live. Everyone has different goals in life and everyone has different methods of achieving those goals. Just because people aren't doing what you would necessarily do does not make them wrong, or worthy of your ridicule.

Some people whom you label "lazy" simply value their free time more than you. They would look at you and say--"what an idiot, wasting his life away working." Someone else might say, anyone who works less than 80 hours a week is a lazy bum. Of course, no one is right or wrong, people are simply different and have different ideas of what it means to pursue happiness. The great thing about the US is its freedom--people have the right to do what they want--to pursue happiness in their own way. And if they think that anyone who works more than 20 hours a week is an idiot, then they have no more right to judge you than you have to judge them.

If you oppose welfare, then be angry at the lawmakers who instituted it, not the people who accept it. People are selfish (you included) and will do what is in their self-interest. If the government decided to cut you a check for 10 million dollars, would you not cash it, even though it was unfair for the rest of society? That makes you just as despicable as the people you judge. Gimme a break.

I like this post. It makes a lot of sense actually, yes. I think everything in here is very solid.

F'losrix · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: and once again how do i not have the right to be mad that these people are sucking the system dry?

i have every right to. unless of course i don't have the right to free speech?
You have a right to your feelings, whether they're based on valid or invalid conclusions. You likewise have a right to free speech.

What you don't have is a right to be free from criticism for voicing your invalid conclusions, or being told that we think your feelings are based on an invalid conclusion.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

F'losrix wrote:
You have a right to your feelings, whether they're based on valid or invalid conclusions. You likewise have a right to free speech.

What you don't have is a right to be free from criticism for voicing your invalid conclusions, or being told that we think your feelings are based on an invalid conclusion.

when did i claim otherwise?

the modern world is really a funny place.

karl marx once said religion is the opiate of the masses, but today psychology is the opiate of the masses. everyone has an illness, a complex, a disorder that makes them unable to do just about anything.

people who are late have chronic lateness syndrome. people who are **** have intermittent explosive disorder. and now people who are lazy aren't just lazy slobs, they just value their free time more.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8853

The Comrade wrote: karl marx once said religion is the opiate of the masses, but today psychology is the opiate of the masses. everyone has an illness, a complex, a disorder that makes them unable to do just about anything.

I think ADD is the best example of that...

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

LostSoul3412 wrote: The Comrade wrote: karl marx once said religion is the opiate of the masses, but today psychology is the opiate of the masses. everyone has an illness, a complex, a disorder that makes them unable to do just about anything.

I think ADD is the best example of that...
Agreed. Back in the day (which was well before I ws born, but whatever), people were lazy and that was that, it was something that was your fault and you needed to get over it. Now, it's apparently some kind of medical issue.
EDITED TO ADD: I'm not saying it can't be a medical issue, just that people didn't used to seem to have them as frequently and weren't as slowed down by them in general.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

LostSoul3412 wrote:

I think ADD is the best example of that...

funny how children 30 or 40 years ago didn't have ADD. a swift kick in the ass seemed to solve the problem. but no you can't spank your children because it's child abuse. unless of course you have abusive child syndrome in which you are just addicted to hitting your kids. the sad thing is that would hold up in court if you found a psychologist willing to sell his soul to make such a claim.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6939 Location: Ohio

ADD exists, but it's not nearly as common as it's made out to be.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8853

The Comrade wrote: a swift kick in the ass seemed to solve the problem.

Agreed. 100%.

The problem isn't that children have some psychological disorder. The problem is that parents are afraid to punish their children.

David · Joined: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 12381 Location: Louisiana

My son told me once that if I touched him he would call CPS.I asked him if he wanted me to dial the phone for him and that if he ever called them that by the time they got there I would make sure they had a real reason to drive 20 miles to get to where we were living at the time.He never made that remark again.If you must worry about getting in trouble for punishing your kids in order to help them learn to be responsible then you just have to bite the bullet and do it.Their teaching comes first and you deal with the other stuff as it comes up.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

David wrote: My son told me once that if I touched him he would call CPS.I asked him if he wanted me to dial the phone for him and that if he ever called them that by the time they got there I would make sure they had a real reason to drive 20 miles to get to where we were living at the time.He never made that remark again.If you must worry about getting in trouble for punishing your kids in order to help them learn to be responsible then you just have to bite the bullet and do it.Their teaching comes first and you deal with the other stuff as it comes up.

i did the same thing when i was young. i threatened to call the police or something if my mom smacked me. she pulled the "i'll dial it then give them a real reason" talk and it worked wonders.

i just don't understand how people think babying their children is helping them. animals use pain al lthe time to teach, and humans aren't that far off from animals.

JDinPhilly · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 34 Location: Philly PA

I have been considered "lazy" pretty much my entire life. I even have a job that doesn't require me to be any place at any time. I'd say on any given week I probably actually work 15 hours. I feel like I sound like Peter from Office Space. Lol. My point is, I have worked really hard not to work hard. I found a job that fits my life style. If you feel that working 80 hours a week, that you live for the weekend, you never get a chance to be with the people you love, and you have a lot off 'stuff' you never get to enjoy, is considered 'not lazy' then so be it. That is your choice and we should respect that. I want that same respect too. I think that a lot of these debates could be put to bed if people would stop trying to force people to do what they think the right thing to do is. It's boils down to choice. People need the freedom to choose. Free to choose their God, their spouse, the food they put in their body, the pot they smoke, the gun they choose or not choose to carry. You get the idea. Sorry. Just blowing off steam.

JDinPhilly · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 34 Location: Philly PA

Post Script
I know where I was going with that rant; As long as the choices you make don't hurt any body else, then they should be respected. That's all i'm saying. Thank you.

spearsy23 · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 5632 Location: Fulton, Ks

I was gonna type out a long response to various posters in this thread, but i don't really feel like it right now.

JDinPhilly · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 34 Location: Philly PA

Or you can say that you'll get around to it. :lol:

spearsy23 · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 5632 Location: Fulton, Ks

oh i will probably tomorrow and if not then definitely the next day

ieatfood · Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 6505

The Comrade wrote: ieatfood wrote: The Comrade wrote: ieatfood wrote:

no one is forcing you to work--you can be lazy and live off the system too

everyone makes their own choices and lives the consequences of those choices. If you are bitter about the choices that you have made, no reason to take it out on others who have made different choices.

i have every reason to. getting everything for free is bulls**t, especially when you have every ability to work, and choose not to because you're LAZY

do i have to go through my pursuit of happiness speech again?

THe US is about pursuit of happiness--it says so right in our constitution. Different people have different views of how to be happy. SOMe people need to work 80 hours a week to be happy. Others would rather be unemployed. The thing is, it is arrogant to think that your philosphy on life is necessariy correct. It is quite wrong to assume that there is a "right" and a "wrong" way to live. Everyone has different goals in life and everyone has different methods of achieving those goals. Just because people aren't doing what you would necessarily do does not make them wrong, or worthy of your ridicule.

Some people whom you label "lazy" simply value their free time more than you. They would look at you and say--"what an idiot, wasting his life away working." Someone else might say, anyone who works less than 80 hours a week is a lazy bum. Of course, no one is right or wrong, people are simply different and have different ideas of what it means to pursue happiness. The great thing about the US is its freedom--people have the right to do what they want--to pursue happiness in their own way. And if they think that anyone who works more than 20 hours a week is an idiot, then they have no more right to judge you than you have to judge them.

If you oppose welfare, then be angry at the lawmakers who instituted it, not the people who accept it. People are selfish (you included) and will do what is in their self-interest. If the government decided to cut you a check for 10 million dollars, would you not cash it, even though it was unfair for the rest of society? That makes you just as despicable as the people you judge. Gimme a break.

and once again how do i not have the right to be mad that these people are sucking the system dry?

i have every right to. unless of course i don't have the right to free speech?
you may not be justified in being mad, but you certainly have a right to be mad
you have the right to be mad at anyone you want
no one is depriving you of madness

i get mad at my big toe sometimes for being stupid enough to bang itself into my dresser

anger...what a stupid emotion.

ieatfood · Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 6505

spearsy23 wrote: I was gonna type out a long response to various posters in this thread, but i don't really feel like it right now.

lazy bastard