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DSwain · Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 3552

Firefighter should not be given compensation for injuries incurred while effecting a rescue

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23373977-details/Fireman+should+not+have+saved+driver%2527s+life%252C+says+fire+authority/article.do

And drug addicts should receive compensation for being made to forego drugs while in prison

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6142416.stm

And my opinion? WTF is going on in the United Kingdom?

Chymical

well it all looks worse then it is firstly.

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Last year a judge awarded Mr Pennington, of Selsey, West Sussex, £3,115 compensation for the injury.

But county fire officials have since spent several times the sum on an unsuccessful legal bid to strip the firefighter of his pay-out.

They couldn't get him haha, typical council will spend someones yearly wage on a court case to financially slap a brave man doing his job for not respecting the jobsworth Health and Safety culture...God forbid we show love and try and rescue each other when accidents occur, simple case of council megolomania.

On the druggie issue, I think you know my stance. Throwing methadone PATIENTS inside prision without continuation of medication is one of the most unproductive and callous things I have ever heard of. In a system where inmates rent colour TVs, have jamie oliver food, and recieve extra perks for 'good behaviour' this is simple vindictiveness against people who have serious addiction issues.

Nonetheless, all nuances aside, anyone deprived of liberty under our ungodly drug laws should be given compensation, and lots of it. Enough smashing people over the head for their problems.

DSwain · Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 3552

Chymical wrote: well it all looks worse then it is firstly.

Quote:
Last year a judge awarded Mr Pennington, of Selsey, West Sussex, £3,115 compensation for the injury.

But county fire officials have since spent several times the sum on an unsuccessful legal bid to strip the firefighter of his pay-out.

They couldn't get him haha, typical council will spend someones yearly wage on a court case to financially slap a brave man doing his job for not respecting the jobsworth Health and Safety culture...God forbid we show love and try and rescue each other when accidents occur, simple case of council megolomania.

On the druggie issue, I think you know my stance. Throwing methadone PATIENTS inside prision without continuation of medication is one of the most unproductive and callous things I have ever heard of. In a system where inmates rent colour TVs, have jamie oliver food, and recieve extra perks for 'good behaviour' this is simple vindictiveness against people who have serious addiction issues.

Nonetheless, all nuances aside, anyone deprived of liberty under our ungodly drug laws should be given compensation, and lots of it. Enough smashing people over the head for their problems.

In that case Chymical, get a party elected that agrees with your ideas for reform of drug laws; until then, they get banged up.

I wouldn't disagree with you - it's clearly bad practice on the part of the Prison Service to conduct drug policy in such a way as it helps no-one - not those who work in prisons nor of the wider society (I really don't care about the convicts to be honest). But there are no grounds for financial compensation (MY EDIT - that should read 'moral' grounds as under the HR Act, there clearly are legal grounds. Looks like I need a political party to overturn some different laws.)

thundertaker · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject:

Saint John Ambulance also instructs it's members to put their own safety first and not to help anyone if it could put them in danger, even if the other person's life is at risk. Effectively what they are saying is that anyone who has fulfilled the criteria neccessary for winning the Lifesaving Medal, the organisation's own bravery award, should also be reprimanded for breaking the rules regarding putting one's own life at risk to save others.

I'm not that old, but I seem to remember a time when putting one's own life on the line to safeguard others was considered an act worthy of praise rather than condemnation.......... :roll:

Clarino · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3173 Location: Oop North

DSwain wrote: Firefighter should not be given compensation for injuries incurred while effecting a rescue

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23373977-details/Fireman+should+not+have+saved+driver%2527s+life%252C+says+fire+authority/article.do

And drug addicts should receive compensation for being made to forego drugs while in prison

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6142416.stm

And my opinion? WTF is going on in the United Kingdom?

I am so angry about this I'm almost at a loss for words!

What sort of idiot even considers denying such a brave man such a small amount of compensation? A coward who would never dare put their own life in danger to save someone else, that's who.

And prisoners are better off without drugs in their systems anyway! What sort of idiot thinks that they should get compensation for being made to go cold turkey? I mean, I know it's not pleasant, but surely they realise that they are better off without drugs?
IMHO, all drug addicts should be locked up somewhere where they cannot get any drugs for 90 days. Then given counselling to help them realise they never need go back to drugs.

What do you think they are going to spend all that compensation on anyway? That's right, you guessed it, smack!

Muppets.

antonio62 · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject:

Considering the severe physical and mental pain inflicted when someone goes cold turkey on certain drugs it is torture and therefore they should be given compensation.

thundertaker · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject:

antonio62 wrote: Considering the severe physical and mental pain inflicted when someone goes cold turkey on certain drugs it is torture and therefore they should be given compensation.

Perhaps we should open pubs in prison too, so that the alcoholics in prison can feed their addiction too........

antonio62 · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject:

thundertaker wrote: antonio62 wrote: Considering the severe physical and mental pain inflicted when someone goes cold turkey on certain drugs it is torture and therefore they should be given compensation.

Perhaps we should open pubs in prison too, so that the alcoholics in prison can feed their addiction too........

They have everything else.......

thundertaker · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject:

antonio62 wrote: thundertaker wrote: antonio62 wrote: Considering the severe physical and mental pain inflicted when someone goes cold turkey on certain drugs it is torture and therefore they should be given compensation.

Perhaps we should open pubs in prison too, so that the alcoholics in prison can feed their addiction too........

They have everything else.......

Hell, why don't we just open a brothel in all the HMPs and be done with it, poontang, drugs and booze for all! Prison could by like one big par-tay instead of the grim place of punishment and rehabilitation square, humourless bastards like myself believe it should be........ :roll:

Spitfire · Joined: 18 Oct 2006 Posts: 96 Location: Manchester

They weren't given drugs as some posters have put it. These people were on methadone before entering the prison system as a way of getting clean. It is medically accepted that if you want to stop using heroin or opiates then you step onto methadone, have slowly reduced doses then stop altogether. Taking the methadone off them will do one of two things; force them to go cold turkey which not only affects your mental health but your physical health or return back to using heroin to alleviate the effects of going cold turkey. IMO, anyone who wants to stop using heroin should recieve medical support whether they are in prison or not. As for alcoholics, I bet if you go to prison and start having withdrawals from alcohol then the prison doctor can and will prescribe you medication to deal with this. This is the same as prescribing methadone to people who are suffering withdrawals from heroin.

DSwain · Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 3552

Spitfire wrote: They weren't given drugs as some posters have put it. These people were on methadone before entering the prison system as a way of getting clean. It is medically accepted that if you want to stop using heroin or opiates then you step onto methadone, have slowly reduced doses then stop altogether. Taking the methadone off them will do one of two things; force them to go cold turkey which not only affects your mental health but your physical health or return back to using heroin to alleviate the effects of going cold turkey. IMO, anyone who wants to stop using heroin should recieve medical support whether they are in prison or not. As for alcoholics, I bet if you go to prison and start having withdrawals from alcohol then the prison doctor can and will prescribe you medication to deal with this. This is the same as prescribing methadone to people who are suffering withdrawals from heroin.

They should receive such support; they should not receive financial compensation for not receiving such support while serving a prison sentence.

Clarino · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3173 Location: Oop North

antonio62 wrote: Considering the severe physical and mental pain inflicted when someone goes cold turkey on certain drugs it is torture and therefore they should be given compensation.

Depriving someone of their freedom can cause them severe mental pain. So -ing what? Going cold turkey isn't torture, and with holding drugs from an addict isn't torture. It's a cruel kindness. No-one should get compensation for anything that happens to them in prison unless they were wrongfully convicted. F*ck 'em they're criminals.

Chymical · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject:

DSwain wrote: Spitfire wrote: They weren't given drugs as some posters have put it. These people were on methadone before entering the prison system as a way of getting clean. It is medically accepted that if you want to stop using heroin or opiates then you step onto methadone, have slowly reduced doses then stop altogether. Taking the methadone off them will do one of two things; force them to go cold turkey which not only affects your mental health but your physical health or return back to using heroin to alleviate the effects of going cold turkey. IMO, anyone who wants to stop using heroin should recieve medical support whether they are in prison or not. As for alcoholics, I bet if you go to prison and start having withdrawals from alcohol then the prison doctor can and will prescribe you medication to deal with this. This is the same as prescribing methadone to people who are suffering withdrawals from heroin.

They should receive such support; they should not receive financial compensation for not receiving such support while serving a prison sentence.

wholeheartedly agree, but in the interim of prisions doing this to seriously sick people, the compensation in this instance SHOULD get proceedures changed such that no more compensation is needed as this dispicable situation need not arise again.

absolutely agree we need to change some laws here though mate, maybe should protest in parliament square, or send a letter to my MP's secretary.... that'll do the trick! </naive>

Chymical · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject:

Clarino wrote:
Depriving someone of their freedom can cause them severe mental pain. So -ing what? Going cold turkey isn't torture, and with holding drugs from an addict isn't torture. It's a cruel kindness. No-one should get compensation for anything that happens to them in prison unless they were wrongfully convicted. F*ck 'em they're criminals.

yeah, shame we're all middle-class criminals now though in Blair's New Britain...
never broken a law have we?

bob.appleyard · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 7404 Location: Manchestar, innit

Clarino wrote: And prisoners are better off without drugs in their systems anyway! What sort of idiot thinks that they should get compensation for being made to go cold turkey? I mean, I know it's not pleasant, but surely they realise that they are better off without drugs?

Depends on the drug and the depths of the addiction. Being made to go cold turkey under some circumstances will result in death.

Snow Patrol · Joined: 30 May 2005 Posts: 2175 Location: Glasgow

Clarino wrote: No-one should get compensation for anything that happens to them in prison unless they were wrongfully convicted. F*ck 'em they're criminals.
What about if they get beaten by guards? Remember prison is also supposed to rehabilitate as well as punish, the task is to find the correct balance.

antonio62 · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject:

thundertaker wrote: Hell, why don't we just open a brothel in all the HMPs and be done with it, poontang, drugs and booze for all! Prison could by like one big par-tay instead of the grim place of punishment and rehabilitation square, humourless bastards like myself believe it should be........ :roll:

Or why don't we stop feeding them?

antonio62 · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject:

Clarino wrote: Depriving someone of their freedom can cause them severe mental pain. So -ing what? Going cold turkey isn't torture, and with holding drugs from an addict isn't torture. It's a cruel kindness. No-one should get compensation for anything that happens to them in prison unless they were wrongfully convicted. F*ck 'em they're criminals.

And while we're at it lets stop feeding them and pass electricity through their balls.

Chymical · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject:

OI!!! Electricity costs money!!!

Hot knives my friend, hot knives....

thundertaker · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject:

antonio62 wrote: thundertaker wrote: Hell, why don't we just open a brothel in all the HMPs and be done with it, poontang, drugs and booze for all! Prison could by like one big par-tay instead of the grim place of punishment and rehabilitation square, humourless bastards like myself believe it should be........ :roll:

Or why don't we stop feeding them?

Were did I ever suggest prisoners should be brutalised?

Listen mate, if it were up to me, the prisoners would only get the essentials as a baseline, and meagre luxuries would have to be earned by good behaviour and demonstrating good progress towards learning new skills or therapy that will make them less likely to commit crime when they get out.
Prison is not supposed to be an enjoyable experiance. It is supposed to be a place of punishment, were life is so spartan people do not want to end up there ever again.........