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Quicksurf · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 4675

It is not like the Mexican problems, because MOST Mexicans are honest hard working people who don't have the intention of destroying the nation they live in from the inside out.

These Arabs move to these countries, live off welfare, then conspire and plot against the governments. It's sad for the Europeans really, their naiive socialist political tendencies have stabbed them in the back.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16062 Location: On Earth

Quicksurf wrote: It is not like the Mexican problems, because MOST Mexicans are honest hard working people who don't have the intention of destroying the nation they live in from the inside out.

That's honestly racist of you, Quicksurf. There are many Arabs who are as honest and hard-working. Also, you will find a couple of Mexicans, or any other person for that matter, who is actually a lazy person. Face it: every society has its ups and downs.

Quote: These Arabs move to these countries, live off welfare, then conspire and plot against the governments. It's sad for the Europeans really, their naiive socialist political tendencies have stabbed them in the back.

Do you have proof that all of the Arabs do this? And how do you know that many of these Arabs live off welfare? You do realize, however, that there has been a rise of anti-Muslim discrimination since 9-11 in Europe and elsewhere?

Quicksurf · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 4675

Saracen wrote: Quicksurf wrote: It is not like the Mexican problems, because MOST Mexicans are honest hard working people who don't have the intention of destroying the nation they live in from the inside out.

That's honestly racist of you, Quicksurf. There are many Arabs who are as honest and hard-working. Also, you will find a couple of Mexicans, or any other person for that matter, who is actually a lazy person. Face it: every society has its ups and downs.

Quote: These Arabs move to these countries, live off welfare, then conspire and plot against the governments. It's sad for the Europeans really, their naiive socialist political tendencies have stabbed them in the back.

Do you have proof that all of the Arabs do this? And how do you know that many of these Arabs live off welfare? You do realize, however, that there has been a rise of anti-Muslim discrimination since 9-11 in Europe and elsewhere?

I'm not saying that all Arabs are lazy Saracen, and you know it. So stop with the race card bulls**t, I'll don't feel like playing that kind of game with you right now.

There are however, significant numbers of Arabs that live off welfare in European nations.

http://select.nytimes.com/iht/2005/12/06/international/IHT-06politicus.html?n=Top%2FReference%2FTimes%20Topics%2FSubjects%2FI%2FImmigration%20and%20Refugees&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1162861753-+g77Gr9Ll0EMAdC3KFDnZQ

ramashkagromik · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 233 Location: Kiev

Plato & Socrates wrote: ramashkagromik wrote: Kamel wrote: Their 'muslim problem' sounds a lot like our 'mexican problem', and I hope to God it doesn't end up like the 'answer to the jewish problem'

me too, but i still feel that Europe ignores this "proplem".
By statistics, European Jails' number of Muslim Inmates is disproportionally high to the Muslim population. Meaning that for example in France, whose population is 5-10% Muslim, (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/fr.html)
70% of the jail inmates are Muslim

So 5-10% of the population are bassically responsible for 70% of the crime.
That is the problem i am implying.

Are you sure about the 70% figure? Source please. But sadly I must agree with you. There is going to be major objection for now, to Turkey's membership to the E.U. After promising Turkey membership if she kept to her reforms. It seems like we will renege on our promise. Its more of a political reason, than out of practicality. It is to appease our anti-Muslim electorate.

even if the statistics are skewed, they are way toooo "in your face" to be faked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime

emerald · Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Posts: 7644 Location: uk

Quote: If I was a Muslim or Asian in Britain. Seeing the Black experience would'nt fill me with hope. There social mobility has nothing to do with assimilation or language or the hijab, but purely on race. Its a two way thing. I might be all accommodating to new arrivals, I have Asian and Black friends. But people like my uncle? No f**king way.
No matter what they do, will it be enough. Yet he wants to spend most of his spare time getting a tan to be as dark as possible.

my grandad has similar issues with islam, loves culture and traditions and even religion to a certain degree, but in his view 'when you're in rome you do as the romans do', and as long as it isnt in his own backyard (even though t's closer :lol: ) then it isnt a problem.

and i agree with u, it does take everyone to sort out the situation, to help integration, to look beyond differences, esp with muslims who are born here and lived here all their lives.

Quote: It is not like the Mexican problems, because MOST Mexicans are honest hard working people who don't have the intention of destroying the nation they live in from the inside out.

These Arabs move to these countries, live off welfare, then conspire and plot against the governments. It's sad for the Europeans really, their naiive socialist political tendencies have stabbed them in the back.

:-D thats not a racist comment at all. damn those arabs....

Federali · Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 162

What we have to face up to is the fact that all societies are racist by nature. The Arab population in Europe is not being excepted by White Europeans just as Hispanic Population in America has been historically discriminated against in America, even though they are the indigenous population here. After 300 year history things haven't changed.

People of fair completion often discriminate against people of dark skin. Not much different in Asia, where East Asians often look down on their Southern, dark-skinned counterpart. Racial mixing simply doesn't work. What developed counties must do is to help third world people develop their own country so they don't have to come to Europe or the US for that matter and face discriminatory practice.

Fact of the matter is, human exploitation has long term consequences. This is something we have yet to learn.

Enlightened Despot · Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 19 Location: de Gothia

ramashkagromik wrote:
even if the statistics are skewed, they are way toooo "in your face" to be faked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime

Do you have any real source for this ? I like Wiki for it's "quickness" and avallabilty, but this is...questonable.

I read the source and the author speculates that 70% are in prison.

It sounds odd since French muslims are possible the most intergrated and assimilated muslims in Europe in all of Europe. Although I suspect it might be high. But 70 % sounds astonishing...but then again this is speulation

I think a big issue is that we lump groups together without looking at them in more distinct groups that they are. Different groups do different. Muslims from country X do diffrently from muslims from country Y.

I agree with one thing though, a certain amount of integration must take place...on the muslim part. However such a feat would fruitless unless the majority of the natives are on it as well.

Somebloke · Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 2553 Location: London

While there are certainly issues with European muslim immigrant (by no means merely Arab) populations, the issue is by no means decided. Other nations have absorbed much larger immigrant populations- America has been doing so over a number of centuries- but given a generation or two, unless the countries tear themselves apart, the population will assimilate, as others have before. The simple fact is that with Europe's shrinking birth-rate, there is a need for fresh blood. I'm not saying that there would not be any problems- there are- but the situation can be managed with the right attitudes.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Somebloke wrote: the situation can be managed with the right attitudes.

Completely agreed.

All that's needed for this "problem" we apparently are facing is a constructive and factually based approach, not giving in to extremes on either side of the spectrum.

antonio62 · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:07 pm Post subject:

There isn't a problem.

MplsBison · Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 3259

Well, that's what you get with socialism and welfare.

Poor people from other countries will prey on your programs and use them for any way to get ahead.

emerald · Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Posts: 7644 Location: uk

Quote: Well, that's what you get with socialism and welfare.

Poor people from other countries will prey on your programs and use them for any way to get ahead.

and if you were a poor person from any undeveloped country you'd be wanting a little bit of those programs to get yourself and family ahead.

Somebloke · Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 2553 Location: London

Quicksurf wrote: It is not like the Mexican problems, because MOST Mexicans are honest hard working people who don't have the intention of destroying the nation they live in from the inside out.

These Arabs move to these countries, live off welfare, then conspire and plot against the governments. It's sad for the Europeans really, their naiive socialist political tendencies have stabbed them in the back.

Cunning of them, especially how all of the Muslims I know work for a lining, often taking bad jobs to get by.