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[sLiPpY]

Caucasian populations globally are in decline.

Anyone care to gander what the root cause is?

[Saracen]

ramashkagromik wrote: Kamel wrote: Their 'muslim problem' sounds a lot like our 'mexican problem', and I hope to God it doesn't end up like the 'answer to the jewish problem'

me too, but i still feel that Europe ignores this "proplem".
By statistics, European Jails' number of Muslim Inmates is disproportionally high to the Muslim population. Meaning that for example in France, whose population is 5-10% Muslim, (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/fr.html)
70% of the jail inmates are Muslim

So 5-10% of the population are bassically responsible for 70% of the crime.
That is the problem i am implying.

I agree with Kamel: the Muslims make up a minority of the European population, yet we have stats in France that 70% of jail inmates are Muslim... are they? What if they're Arab? What if they're North African? Heck, why bother? You do realize, though, that just because 70% of the inmates are Muslim, it still doesn't mean that it's because they're Muslim that they're in jail, do you? Even though the Muslims make up a minority of the population, it has to do with the issue of economy. Look at their situation. I'm not excusing their crimes, but poverty creates criminals. So does discrimination.

Basically, the situation for Europe's Muslims is actually quite bad. While there are some Muslims to blame, some Europeans are far from innocent. Over the past few years, we've seen a rise of anti-Muslim discrimination in Europe, and it's sickening.

[Paladin]

Eduffy80911 wrote: ramashkagromik wrote: No Offense Intended

I have read a lot about so called "Europe's Muslim Problem"

Basically it states that soon Europe's Muslim population will overrun the white and Europe will lose its culture and collapse. I do not know how soon this "soon" really is but i did read so articles on how European White population is slowly declining while minority population, mostly Muslims, is steadily growing. EU ignores this "obvious problem", and i agree that it is under the risk of losing itself.

That is one reason why I believe Turkey will never join the EU, Europe just doesn't need an influx of work hungry Muslims coming in and "stealing" jobs, even thought it may be good for economy.

It seems as thought Europe is having the same problem with Muslims as US does with Latino Americans (Think Mexicans).

The following article suggests that the recent G8 meeting that pledged 50 billion $ to Africa was aimed at stalling the influx of Muslims to Europe, to make the homeland of the Muslims more appealing so that perhaps some of Europe's Muslims would return home.

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/23250

Would you guys please comment on what you think about this "Muslim Problem of Europe" and wheather it is superficial or real deal

The American "problem" with latinos is not really a problem. The skin tone of Americans will darken over time, but the fundamental principals that make this America will likely stay the same.

I don't know if that's the case with the Muslim situation in Europe, but if it is, it's just a bunch of whining about nothing.

If they're worried about theocracy, that's another matter.

The thing with democratic governments is that they can be changed to fit the people's wants. The Constitution, in the end, only protects the people's right to do this. North Mexican culture could be a rapid change and an initial corrupting (deteriorating) influence and that is what people are TO'd about. They could care less about color of skin. It's the affect on general socialist tendencies (welfare, education) and on extra-national issues (Money funneling away, lack of national distinction or loyalty) and on family beliefs (Woman under the male or equal to him in marriage?)

Mostly it is the effect of adding a too rapidly expanding poor class to the American system that would have tremendous changes economically, socially, and politically. Also the effects of a poor class on crime and social order.



The same effect is happening with the Arab/Muslim influx.

[Rankor and Pissing]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Hah i love this 'barbarians' at the gate bulls**t.

People fail to realise the current 'european' population decline is due to the baby boom demographic who are now all in there 50'ies and 60'ies.

Which is just a symptom... do Muslim families have that same decline?

[Saracen]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Hah i love this 'barbarians' at the gate bulls**t.

People fail to realise the current 'european' population decline is due to the baby boom demographic who are now all in there 50'ies and 60'ies.

Which is just a symptom... do Muslim families have that same decline?

Maybe in developed Muslim nations like Malaysia and Indonesia.

[thefranzkafkafront]

DSwain wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Hah i love this 'barbarians' at the gate bulls**t.

People fail to realise the current 'european' population decline is due to the baby boom demographic who are now all in there 50'ies and 60'ies.

And that even in a declining population, the number of Muslims is still small - 2.5% of Britain's total population, for example.

Yes but



Shiiiiiit!!! MOOSHLIMS!!

[Eduffy80911]

Paladin wrote: Eduffy80911 wrote: ramashkagromik wrote: No Offense Intended

I have read a lot about so called "Europe's Muslim Problem"

Basically it states that soon Europe's Muslim population will overrun the white and Europe will lose its culture and collapse. I do not know how soon this "soon" really is but i did read so articles on how European White population is slowly declining while minority population, mostly Muslims, is steadily growing. EU ignores this "obvious problem", and i agree that it is under the risk of losing itself.

That is one reason why I believe Turkey will never join the EU, Europe just doesn't need an influx of work hungry Muslims coming in and "stealing" jobs, even thought it may be good for economy.

It seems as thought Europe is having the same problem with Muslims as US does with Latino Americans (Think Mexicans).

The following article suggests that the recent G8 meeting that pledged 50 billion $ to Africa was aimed at stalling the influx of Muslims to Europe, to make the homeland of the Muslims more appealing so that perhaps some of Europe's Muslims would return home.

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/23250

Would you guys please comment on what you think about this "Muslim Problem of Europe" and wheather it is superficial or real deal

The American "problem" with latinos is not really a problem. The skin tone of Americans will darken over time, but the fundamental principals that make this America will likely stay the same.

I don't know if that's the case with the Muslim situation in Europe, but if it is, it's just a bunch of whining about nothing.

If they're worried about theocracy, that's another matter.

The thing with democratic governments is that they can be changed to fit the people's wants. The Constitution, in the end, only protects the people's right to do this. North Mexican culture could be a rapid change and an initial corrupting (deteriorating) influence and that is what people are TO'd about. They could care less about color of skin. It's the affect on general socialist tendencies (welfare, education) and on extra-national issues (Money funneling away, lack of national distinction or loyalty) and on family beliefs (Woman under the male or equal to him in marriage?)

Mostly it is the effect of adding a too rapidly expanding poor class to the American system that would have tremendous changes economically, socially, and politically. Also the effects of a poor class on crime and social order.



The same effect is happening with the Arab/Muslim influx.

Is there any evidence that latinos favor welfare programs to a greater degree than caucasians? or that an influx of latinos brings with it crime and social disorder?

I'm not talking about illegal immigrants, that's another issue. That population is more likely to be poor and desperate, but that doesn't necessarily mean their leftists.

[Eduffy80911]

sLiPpY wrote: Caucasian populations globally are in decline.

Anyone care to gander what the root cause is?

The Japanese population is also in decline.

I'm no expert but it seems to me that the worse the living conditions and/or the higher the stress level, the higher the birth rate. You have high birth rates in poorer countries and you get baby booms during war.

[thefranzkafkafront]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Hah i love this 'barbarians' at the gate bulls**t.

People fail to realise the current 'european' population decline is due to the baby boom demographic who are now all in there 50'ies and 60'ies.

Which is just a symptom... do Muslim families have that same decline?

No because most muslims arrived during the baby boom.

Im confused what the problem is, europes population exploded in the 1950'ies. Now demographically its falling.

[Paladin]

Eduffy80911 wrote:

Is there any evidence that latinos favor welfare programs to a greater degree than caucasians? or that an influx of latinos brings with it crime and social disorder?

There is evidence of poor castes favoring financial and monetary assistance. As for citing an article....I have none! I didn't bother searching for it because I believe it is rather a given! Of course I may be wrong... :?
yes there is evidence of crime in poor castes bringing higher crime and there is also evidence of higher crime among general minorities (most likely the effect of being poor immigrants or effects of racism in the early 1900's)

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I'm not talking about illegal immigrants, that's another issue. That population is more likely to be poor and desperate, but that doesn't necessarily mean their leftists.
It most certainly means their political ideals will be different than the current population. It is also widely known that the Democratic Party supports raising the poor from their state through Gov't support.
they might be righties on other matters but as for socio-economics....

[Eduffy80911]

Paladin wrote: Eduffy80911 wrote:

Is there any evidence that latinos favor welfare programs to a greater degree than caucasians? or that an influx of latinos brings with it crime and social disorder?

There is evidence of poor castes favoring financial and monetary assistance. As for citing an article....I have none! I didn't bother searching for it because I believe it is rather a given! Of course I may be wrong... :?
yes there is evidence of crime in poor castes bringing higher crime and there is also evidence of higher crime among general minorities (most likely the effect of being poor immigrants or effects of racism in the early 1900's)

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I'm not talking about illegal immigrants, that's another issue. That population is more likely to be poor and desperate, but that doesn't necessarily mean their leftists.
It most certainly means their political ideals will be different than the current population. It is also widely known that the Democratic Party supports raising the poor from their state through Gov't support.
they might be righties on other matters but as for socio-economics....

The poor in America are not a caste and I don't believe that being poor automatically means you favor hand outs or are prone to crime.

I live in a low income area and it's overwhelmingly Republican.
The most vocal supporters of socialist programs are multi-millionaires.

Granted the Dems will target low income populations. They always target the most vulnerable.

[Paladin]

caste is a word that means a distinct group in society (such as by wealth)

There is evidence for higher crime in hispanic groups compared with whites. (The Color of Crime)
True on the favoring handouts though.
As for legal compared with illegal I believe the issue would include illegals. The amount of illegals are like the influx into Europe except there it is called legal.

[Prof_2k7]

The is the immediate, short term Arab/Muslim problem:



"Slay/Butcher/Behead those who insult islam"

"Europe you will pay. Demolition/Extermination is on its way"

Here is the long term problem:

Rights of Non-Muslims in an Islamic State wrote:
1) Zimmis are not allowed to build new churches, temples, or synagogues. They are allowed to renovate old churches or houses of worship provided they do not allow to add any new construction. "Old churches" are those which existed prior to Islamic conquests and are included in a peace accord by Muslims. Construction of any church, temple, or synagogue in the Arab Peninsula (Saudi Arabia) is prohibited. It is the land of the Prophet and only Islam should prevail there. Yet, Muslims, if they wish, are permitted to demolish all non-Muslim houses of worship in any land they conquer.

2) Zimmis are not allowed to pray or read their sacred books out loud at home or in churches, lest Muslims hear their prayers.

3) Zimmis are not allowed to print their religious books or sell them in public places and markets. They are allowed to publish and sell them among their own people, in their churches and temples.

4) Zimmis are not allowed to install the cross on their houses or churches since it is a symbol of infidelity.

5) Zimmis are not permitted to broadcast or display their ceremonial religious rituals on radio or television or to use the media or to publish any picture of their religious ceremonies in newspaper and magazines.

6) Zimmis are not allowed to congregate in the streets during their religious festivals; rather, each must quietly make his way to his church or temple.

7) Zimmis are not allowed to join the army unless there is indispensable need for them in which case they are not allowed to assume leadership positions but are considered mercenaries.



How I would love to live in such an enlightened Islamic society.

[Plato & Socrates]

DSwain wrote:

Come off it, Plato; how do blacks suffer discrimination today in Britain? Other than the way all Brits do - from our accents, from our educational backgrounds, from the part of the country from which we hail. I'm not saying it's always been this way - but the incidence of racial discrimination is low and diminishing all the time. Unless you can actually show me research saying otherwise? Maybe you can demonstrate how black people aren't given jobs? Or they're convicted and jailed purely on the grounds of the colour of their skin?

Did you ever watch Sliders? Same dimension as me? Your having a laugh are'nt you? A black housemate of mine from uni at Cambridge. He studied P.P.E, superior to me interlectually by far. He got a first, no mean feat. He decided to go into banking.

Interview after interview. impeccable credentials. Absolutely no luck. Whilst other friends of mine all white got there desired banking jobs. 6 months this went on for, that in the end he took a lesser job, what he was substantially over qualified for. One of his tutors rang him to find out how he was doing. After hearing what company and position he took to have an income until something better came up. His tutor rang up and got him a job the next day worthy of his talents, at a Japanese investment bank.

But that is not even the funny bit. This same bank where he got the job, was one of the places he already had a application with, but failed to even make the interview process. After some of us met up in London to discuss old and new times. He revealed why he never got the job there originally. He was told on the "quite" that his department had already filled there quota of ethnics.

So this is'nt a case of P.C, nor is it positive discrimination. Just a simple case of a man with immense talent being denied work because of his skin. What is so sad about these kinds of story, is that they are a thousand times more prevalent. than the P.C gone mad stories or positive discrimination cases the Daily Mail or Sun can produce.
They play a game where the rules are stacked against them.

As I said, do you think if the Muslims banned the Burka and Hijab, all spoke Mockney Cockney, supported England at Cricket and started going to the Labour club, called there children David, John, Winston, Mark or Peter like the Blacks and not Ali or Abdul, things would be better? If the British Blacks stopped street crime, fulfilled there educational potential and parts of there youth abandoned street culture, we Brits would be all open arms? oh pleaase. :roll: I will confess, that many of my Black and Asian friends say "times they are a changing" But if your living in that skin or religion, the change isn't quick enough. As for France? They are 25 years behind us Brits, at least thats a positive for us.

[DSwain]

Plato & Socrates wrote: DSwain wrote:

Come off it, Plato; how do blacks suffer discrimination today in Britain? Other than the way all Brits do - from our accents, from our educational backgrounds, from the part of the country from which we hail. I'm not saying it's always been this way - but the incidence of racial discrimination is low and diminishing all the time. Unless you can actually show me research saying otherwise? Maybe you can demonstrate how black people aren't given jobs? Or they're convicted and jailed purely on the grounds of the colour of their skin?

Did you ever watch Sliders? Same dimension as me? Your having a laugh are'nt you? A black housemate of mine from uni at Cambridge. He studied P.P.E, superior to me interlectually by far. He got a first, no mean feat. He decided to go into banking.

Interview after interview. impeccable credentials. Absolutely no luck. Whilst other friends of mine all white got there desired banking jobs. 6 months this went on for, that in the end he took a lesser job, what he was substantially over qualified for. One of his tutors rang him to find out how he was doing. After hearing what company and position he took to have an income until something better came up. His tutor rang up and got him a job the next day worthy of his talents, at a Japanese investment bank.

But that is not even the funny bit. This same bank where he got the job, was one of the places he already had a application with, but failed to even make the interview process. After some of us met up in London to discuss old and new times. He revealed why he never got the job there originally. He was told on the "quite" that his department had already filled there quota of ethnics.

So this is'nt a case of P.C, nor is it positive discrimination. Just a simple case of a man with immense talent being denied work because of his skin. What is so sad about these kinds of story, is that they are a thousand times more prevalent. than the P.C gone mad stories or positive discrimination cases the Daily Mail or Sun can produce.
They play a game where the rules are stacked against them.

As I said, do you think if the Muslims banned the Burka and Hijab, all spoke Mockney Cockney, supported England at Cricket and started going to the Labour club, called there children David, John, Winston, Mark or Peter like the Blacks and not Ali or Abdul, things would be better? If the British Blacks stopped street crime, fulfilled there educational potential and parts of there youth abandoned street culture, we Brits would be all open arms? oh pleaase. :roll: I will confess, that many of my Black and Asian friends say "times they are a changing" But if your living in that skin or religion, the change isn't quick enough. As for France? They are 25 years behind us Brits, at least thats a positive for us.

You're dealing with one case of one person you knew at Cambridge - which is somehow meant to be extrapolated across a country of 60 million? White friends of mine with brilliant educational backgrounds didn't make it on their first milk run - why was that?

And I also don't particularly view Black Britons solely as being perpetrators of street crime - sounds a bit racist, Plato

:wink:

[perdidochas]

sLiPpY wrote: Caucasian populations globally are in decline.

Anyone care to gander what the root cause is?

We have adapted to the industrial/post-industrial mindset in which children start to become more of a liability, economically, than an assett (which they are in agricultural economies).

[Colin]

There really isn't a problem.

[Plato & Socrates]

DSwain wrote:

You're dealing with one case of one person you knew at Cambridge - which is somehow meant to be extrapolated across a country of 60 million? White friends of mine with brilliant educational backgrounds didn't make it on their first milk run - why was that?

And I also don't particularly view Black Britons solely as being perpetrators of street crime - sounds a bit racist, Plato

:wink:

That got a smile out of me. Seriously DSwain there are so many horror stories of ethnics minorities, who dont make it coming up to there 5th and 6th milk run. Racism and discrimination is rife, and it holds them back. Thats part of the explanation why so many take up sports.

In sports theres no perception factors, or does he have it? or any other undefinable variable? You either can or you cant do it. Could you imagine if the 100 meters sprint was also judged on style marks, how many whites would have been crowned champions? :lol:

The most successful assimilation has been the Jewish community, but why is that? After centuries of discrimination, they had to take off there Yamulka/Kippa/Skull-cap and change there names to Smith or Green etc etc. But when your Black or Asian it not so easy.You can Dress like a local, change your name. But there skin colour will always give them away and theres the big difference.

[Prof_2k7]

perdidochas wrote: sLiPpY wrote: Caucasian populations globally are in decline.

Anyone care to gander what the root cause is?

We have adapted to the industrial/post-industrial mindset in which children start to become more of a liability, economically, than an assett (which they are in agricultural economies).

If this is true (link??), I wonder what the long term implications would be. Wasn't there a Star Trek once (the old one with William Shatner) where they came upon a world where the population was dying off for that very reason?

[Saracen]

Colin wrote: There really isn't a problem.

Precisely.