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[Zampano]

There's a lot in the Bible about drinking wine but I know it can't support drunkenness.
I'd personally say 'yes', and that's part of the reason why I don't nor ever will take these sorts of malevolent drugs.

[LetsGetReal]

1 Corinthians 6: 9-11 wrote: 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

It doesn't allow drinking in excess....

[eynon]

em.............don't let it rule your life, but otherwise enjoy :)

[toddytodd]

eynon wrote: em.............don't let it rule your life, but otherwise enjoy :)

I agree. There's the whole 'your body is your temple' thinking that some christians take to mean smoking and drinking is bad and thus, a sin. That seems to be more of a social thought than a biblical one. As long as you don't allow it to rule your life (meaning not in excess), I don't see a problem with it.

[Angelicus]

toddytodd wrote: eynon wrote: em.............don't let it rule your life, but otherwise enjoy :)

I agree. There's the whole 'your body is your temple' thinking that some christians take to mean smoking and drinking is bad and thus, a sin. That seems to be more of a social thought than a biblical one. As long as you don't allow it to rule your life (meaning not in excess), I don't see a problem with it.

Drunkeness is a sin.

Smoking is not.

[Lord Hargreaves]

It does and it does not, depending on whether the Christian making the interpretation personally enjoys such pursuits

[perdidochas]

Zampano wrote: There's a lot in the Bible about drinking wine but I know it can't support drunkenness.
I'd personally say 'yes', and that's part of the reason why I don't nor ever will take these sorts of malevolent drugs.

I don't think the Bible prohibits drinking in moderation. Heck, Jesus' first public miracle was turning water into wine. Paul says that drinking wine is good for the stomach.

In terms of tobacco, I'm not sure. If you were an occasional smoker (the kind that smokes every so often, not daily), I doubt that there's anything wrong with it.

[perdidochas]

toddytodd wrote: eynon wrote: em.............don't let it rule your life, but otherwise enjoy :)

I agree. There's the whole 'your body is your temple' thinking that some christians take to mean smoking and drinking is bad and thus, a sin. That seems to be more of a social thought than a biblical one. As long as you don't allow it to rule your life (meaning not in excess), I don't see a problem with it.

Also moderate drinking has shown to be more healthy than total abstention from alcohol.

[toddytodd]

Angelicus wrote: toddytodd wrote: eynon wrote: em.............don't let it rule your life, but otherwise enjoy :)

I agree. There's the whole 'your body is your temple' thinking that some christians take to mean smoking and drinking is bad and thus, a sin. That seems to be more of a social thought than a biblical one. As long as you don't allow it to rule your life (meaning not in excess), I don't see a problem with it.

Drunkeness is a sin.

Smoking is not.


I agree personally, but I see no proof of that listed biblically.

[toddytodd]

perdidochas wrote: toddytodd wrote: eynon wrote: em.............don't let it rule your life, but otherwise enjoy :)

I agree. There's the whole 'your body is your temple' thinking that some christians take to mean smoking and drinking is bad and thus, a sin. That seems to be more of a social thought than a biblical one. As long as you don't allow it to rule your life (meaning not in excess), I don't see a problem with it.

Also moderate drinking has shown to be more healthy than total abstention from alcohol.

Much to the delight of many alcoholics
:lol:
Just kidding.
But I have seen this study before - quite interesting.
I think too much of anything is bad for you (alcohol, saturated fats, caffeine, etc), so everything should be done in moderation. That said, if one person thinks drinking is a sin for them, in no way would I argue against it for them personally. We each should know ourselves well enough to know what we should or shouldn't do.

[MJB]

Zampano wrote: There's a lot in the Bible about drinking wine but I know it can't support drunkenness.
I'd personally say 'yes', and that's part of the reason why I don't nor ever will take these sorts of malevolent drugs.

Extremely wise decision.

With the exception of careful and proper drug use for needed medical treatment, I don't think God wants us to use, or misuse, any potentially harmful and addictive substances, or take them into our bodies wantonly or needlessly.

However - regardless of one's decision to not use such, I would advise that he be a good example to others in this regard, without becoming preachy and judgmental toward them if they don't share those same beliefs on the matter. I'm not suggesting that you, personally, would do that, mind you, but it's not an uncommon thing to happen, so I'm addressing it generally.

Often there is nothing worse for someone who needs to become free of a harmful substance, than to have some self-righteous purist lording it over him and treating him like a sinner because he smokes or drinks or whatever. And anyone can succumb, even the person who thinks he will never partake, so it's important to keep that in mind, or we may end up having to learn that lesson the hard way, first hand.

So - one needs to remember, that while a decision in this regard is admirable, and he should, of course, never put himself at risk by compromising his principles, it's important to remain humble, and compassionate toward others, at the same time.

[Todd D.]

Alcoholism is a disease, as well as a sin, because the primary symptom takes the reliance off of God and on to something material, which I would consider to be a form of idolotry. Ignoring all else for the sake of that next drink or that next cigarette is elevating a creation to the level of the Creator, which is a sin, in my opinion.

On the other hand, the moderate use of alcohol, even recreationally (a beer or two while watching a football game, for example) is nothing more than enjoyment, not idolotry.

We have a social stigma against alcohol because of the abusers that take it to a new level. I would dare say that is true of other drugs such as tobacco, marijuana, and even cocaine or heroin (though the abilty to "control" the latter two is so mind-boggling that it would probably be best to avoid the temptation altogether). Moderate uses of substances is no different than th moderate consumption of food or juice.

[toddytodd]

Todd D. wrote:
We have a social stigma against alcohol because of the abusers that take it to a new level. I would dare say that is true of other drugs such as tobacco, marijuana, and even cocaine or heroin (though the abilty to "control" the latter two is so mind-boggling that it would probably be best to avoid the temptation altogether). Moderate uses of substances is no different than th moderate consumption of food or juice.


I would tend to agree. The glutenous type of attitude (meaning more more more) towards substances such as drugs and alcohol (etc) can't be healthy physically, mentally, socially and perhaps even spiritually (for those who choose to believe in the spiritual nature of people).

Also, I have noticed that the American attitude towards such things leads many to consider these things sinful when I don't think that is the case. Quite interesting that societies standards can also be considered religiously when speaking of sin.
I do see where you are going with this train of thought though. Something I haven't considered too much, but I could see how one could view it this way.

[eynon]

MJB wrote: Zampano wrote: There's a lot in the Bible about drinking wine but I know it can't support drunkenness.
I'd personally say 'yes', and that's part of the reason why I don't nor ever will take these sorts of malevolent drugs.

Extremely wise decision.

With the exception of careful and proper drug use for needed medical treatment, I don't think God wants us to use, or misuse, any potentially harmful and addictive substances, or take them into our bodies wantonly or needlessly.

However - regardless of one's decision to not use such, I would advise that he be a good example to others in this regard, without becoming preachy and judgmental toward them if they don't share those same beliefs on the matter. I'm not suggesting that you, personally, would do that, mind you, but it's not an uncommon thing to happen, so I'm addressing it generally.

Often there is nothing worse for someone who needs to become free of a harmful substance, than to have some self-righteous purist lording it over him and treating him like a sinner because he smokes or drinks or whatever. And anyone can succumb, even the person who thinks he will never partake, so it's important to keep that in mind, or we may end up having to learn that lesson the hard way, first hand.

So - one needs to remember, that while a decision in this regard is admirable, and he should, of course, never put himself at risk by compromising his principles, it's important to remain humble, and compassionate toward others, at the same time.

nice post :-D

if I could add that a person who choses such a lifestyle is speaking for themselves, not for Christ............


btw..........I occasionally smoke pot, is that a sin? :-|

[MJB]

eynon wrote: MJB wrote: Zampano wrote: There's a lot in the Bible about drinking wine but I know it can't support drunkenness.
I'd personally say 'yes', and that's part of the reason why I don't nor ever will take these sorts of malevolent drugs.

Extremely wise decision.

With the exception of careful and proper drug use for needed medical treatment, I don't think God wants us to use, or misuse, any potentially harmful and addictive substances, or take them into our bodies wantonly or needlessly.

However - regardless of one's decision to not use such, I would advise that he be a good example to others in this regard, without becoming preachy and judgmental toward them if they don't share those same beliefs on the matter. I'm not suggesting that you, personally, would do that, mind you, but it's not an uncommon thing to happen, so I'm addressing it generally.

Often there is nothing worse for someone who needs to become free of a harmful substance, than to have some self-righteous purist lording it over him and treating him like a sinner because he smokes or drinks or whatever. And anyone can succumb, even the person who thinks he will never partake, so it's important to keep that in mind, or we may end up having to learn that lesson the hard way, first hand.

So - one needs to remember, that while a decision in this regard is admirable, and he should, of course, never put himself at risk by compromising his principles, it's important to remain humble, and compassionate toward others, at the same time.

nice post :-D

if I could add that a person who choses such a lifestyle is speaking for themselves, not for Christ............


btw..........I occasionally smoke pot, is that a sin? :-|

Well - I'm not going to point a finger and call you a sinner. :wink:

But - I don't think it's something God wants us to do for a few reasons. #1. It's illegal. #2. It's a pollution to the body. #3. And most importantly, it's a pollution to the spirit (though I know some would disagree with that).

Even so - lest anyone think I don't understand - I smoked a lot of pot in my younger wayward years. I considered it wrong even then, but was rather rebellious in my youth. In more recent years, I was also on medical marijuana for a potentially life threatening health condition, which resulted from a serious accident.

Now - I did not feel like a, "sinner," using it under those circumstances, because it was for a legitimate medical condition, and I was not violating the law either. However, I was still not fully comfortable with its use even under those circumstances, and I could tell it made a difference, spiritually speaking, a dulling of the sensitivity of the spirit, if you will, but so did the hard-core prescription pain meds I'd been on too.

My view is that the least amount of harmful and addictive substances we expose our bodies to, the better, both physically and spiritually, and it is my opinion that God does not want us to indulge, not so much because it's sinful, but because he doesn't want us to harm ourselves.

I will also say that, of all the things I did in my youth that I regret, I most regret starting smoking cigarettes. That was not the worst thing I did, by far, but it was the first step, that led to all the other steps I took, in doing those things contrary to the will of God. Anything that will do that, or has the potential to do that, is wise to avoid.

[toddytodd]

[quote="eynon"][quote="MJB"] Zampano wrote:


btw..........I occasionally smoke pot, is that a sin? :-|

Probably only something you can answer for yourself

[ieatfood]

MJB wrote: #2. It's a pollution to the body.

compared to eating meat, smoking pot is not a pollution to the body

[Angelicus]

Since sin, is breaking of Gods laws/commandments.

If we determine, that something is a sin, when in fact the Bible does not say anything about it, one way or the other, do we not sin, by making ourselves god, and determining what is, and is not sin?

[LetsGetReal]

Lord Hargreaves wrote: It does and it does not, depending on whether the Christian making the interpretation personally enjoys such pursuits Any biblical scripture to back this up because that is surely what he is wanting or are you trying to hi-jack this thread for you own anti-christian vendetta?

[eynon]

MJB wrote: eynon wrote: MJB wrote: Zampano wrote: There's a lot in the Bible about drinking wine but I know it can't support drunkenness.
I'd personally say 'yes', and that's part of the reason why I don't nor ever will take these sorts of malevolent drugs.

Extremely wise decision.

With the exception of careful and proper drug use for needed medical treatment, I don't think God wants us to use, or misuse, any potentially harmful and addictive substances, or take them into our bodies wantonly or needlessly.

However - regardless of one's decision to not use such, I would advise that he be a good example to others in this regard, without becoming preachy and judgmental toward them if they don't share those same beliefs on the matter. I'm not suggesting that you, personally, would do that, mind you, but it's not an uncommon thing to happen, so I'm addressing it generally.

Often there is nothing worse for someone who needs to become free of a harmful substance, than to have some self-righteous purist lording it over him and treating him like a sinner because he smokes or drinks or whatever. And anyone can succumb, even the person who thinks he will never partake, so it's important to keep that in mind, or we may end up having to learn that lesson the hard way, first hand.

So - one needs to remember, that while a decision in this regard is admirable, and he should, of course, never put himself at risk by compromising his principles, it's important to remain humble, and compassionate toward others, at the same time.

nice post :-D

if I could add that a person who choses such a lifestyle is speaking for themselves, not for Christ............


btw..........I occasionally smoke pot, is that a sin? :-|

Well - I'm not going to point a finger and call you a sinner. :wink:

But - I don't think it's something God wants us to do for a few reasons. #1. It's illegal. #2. It's a pollution to the body. #3. And most importantly, it's a pollution to the spirit (though I know some would disagree with that).

Even so - lest anyone think I don't understand - I smoked a lot of pot in my younger wayward years. I considered it wrong even then, but was rather rebellious in my youth. In more recent years, I was also on medical marijuana for a potentially life threatening health condition, which resulted from a serious accident.

Now - I did not feel like a, "sinner," using it under those circumstances, because it was for a legitimate medical condition, and I was not violating the law either. However, I was still not fully comfortable with its use even under those circumstances, and I could tell it made a difference, spiritually speaking, a dulling of the sensitivity of the spirit, if you will, but so did the hard-core prescription pain meds I'd been on too.

My view is that the least amount of harmful and addictive substances we expose our bodies to, the better, both physically and spiritually, and it is my opinion that God does not want us to indulge, not so much because it's sinful, but because he doesn't want us to harm ourselves.

I will also say that, of all the things I did in my youth that I regret, I most regret starting smoking cigarettes. That was not the worst thing I did, by far, but it was the first step, that led to all the other steps I took, in doing those things contrary to the will of God. Anything that will do that, or has the potential to do that, is wise to avoid.

thanks for the answer.....very thought provoking. I can understand how over-indulgence in it would be sinful, but I don't use it that often.....(maybe once or twice a month).....plus I'm not what one would conisder that young(mid-20s). Early teens would be pushing it, but I'm by all accounts an adult.