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[The Stars and Stripes]

(These items were omitted from 9/11 commission)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmad -- Head of Pakistani ISI. Was traced having sent $100,000 to Mohammed Atta shortly before the attacks occured. Was meeting with imminent CIA Director (who was an agent at the time) Porter Goss and member of congress Bob Graham. They were meeting as the planes hit the tower, discussing Osama Bin Laden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Goss#Intelligence_inquiry:_Sept._11.2C_2001 -- Here's what Porter Goss had to say about Sept. 11.... note the "this is not a who shall we hang type of investigation" remarks and his overall defensive tone. He is backed up by Graham.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Omar_Saeed_Sheikh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pearl -- Killed while investigating ISI/Al Qaeda connections

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Aside: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Mohammed
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/crime/terrorists/ali-mohammed/ -- FBI Informant/CIA Agent/Al Qaeda Operative simultaneously. Disappeared after sentencing.
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http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=Airlift+Taliban&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on&search=Go (Second heading) -- US Authorizes Taliban/Al Qaeda airlifted out of Afghanistan into Pakistan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission#Claims_of_lack_of_cooperation_from_the_White_House -- Bush/Cheney refuse to testify before 9/11 commission under oath, or separately

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission#Claims_of_bias_within_the_commission -- Conflicts of interest within 9/11 commission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Zelikow -- Executive Director of 9/11 Commission is close to Bush Admin, even having authored a book with Condoleeza Rice. Also, he specializes in the creation of "public myths." I recommend reading the whole thing very closely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group#Politicians_affiliated_with_Carlyle -- Politicians involved in Carlyle Group, a company with assets largely in defense, include members of the Bush and Clinton administrations.

Oh, and don't forget the Bin Laden family flight out about a week after 9/11 on the presidential media jet.

[The Newb]

alternate theories forum for this

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Quote: Oh, and don't forget the Bin Laden family flight out about a week after 9/11 on the presidential media jet.

if your brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever commited a crime should you be convicted as well?

they had denounced him many years before 9-11

[The Stars and Stripes]

The Newb wrote: alternate theories forum for this

but

Quote: Oh, and don't forget the Bin Laden family flight out about a week after 9/11 on the presidential media jet.

if your brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever commited a crime should you be convicted as well?

they had denounced him many years before 9-11

Nope, I just doubt that they've disowned him completely. Sorry for posting on the wrong forum btw... didn't know the other existed. Mods can move/delete this even though this isn't actually a theory, just a collaboration of facts on the same topic.

[The Newb]

The Stars and Stripes wrote: The Newb wrote: alternate theories forum for this

but

Quote: Oh, and don't forget the Bin Laden family flight out about a week after 9/11 on the presidential media jet.

if your brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever commited a crime should you be convicted as well?

they had denounced him many years before 9-11

Nope, I just doubt that they've disowned him completely. Sorry for posting on the wrong forum btw... didn't know the other existed. Mods can move/delete this even though this isn't actually a theory, just a collaboration of facts on the same topic.

you think if they had not disowned him they would have been let loose as they have? come on get a grip we hold lesser terrorists than that, also they would be key to hold due to holding back funds from him think before you post

[The Stars and Stripes]

The Newb wrote: The Stars and Stripes wrote: The Newb wrote: alternate theories forum for this

but

Quote: Oh, and don't forget the Bin Laden family flight out about a week after 9/11 on the presidential media jet.

if your brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever commited a crime should you be convicted as well?

they had denounced him many years before 9-11

Nope, I just doubt that they've disowned him completely. Sorry for posting on the wrong forum btw... didn't know the other existed. Mods can move/delete this even though this isn't actually a theory, just a collaboration of facts on the same topic.

you think if they had not disowned him they would have been let loose as they have? come on get a grip we hold lesser terrorists than that, also they would be key to hold due to holding back funds from him think before you post

Your post begs the question by assuming intent. Either way, if you want to ignore that fact you can still investigate the ones above. No need to let one bad apple, as you see it, spoil the entire investigation of facts.

[The Russian]

The Stars and Stripes wrote: The Newb wrote: alternate theories forum for this

but

Quote: Oh, and don't forget the Bin Laden family flight out about a week after 9/11 on the presidential media jet.

if your brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever commited a crime should you be convicted as well?

they had denounced him many years before 9-11

Nope, I just doubt that they've disowned him completely. Sorry for posting on the wrong forum btw... didn't know the other existed. Mods can move/delete this even though this isn't actually a theory, just a collaboration of facts on the same topic.

Pakistan is not our ally no matter how the admin wants to spin it.

[Norrin Radd]

The Stars and Stripes wrote: The Newb wrote: alternate theories forum for this

but

Quote: Oh, and don't forget the Bin Laden family flight out about a week after 9/11 on the presidential media jet.

if your brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever commited a crime should you be convicted as well?

they had denounced him many years before 9-11

Nope, I just doubt that they've disowned him completely. Sorry for posting on the wrong forum btw... didn't know the other existed. Mods can move/delete this even though this isn't actually a theory, just a collaboration of facts on the same topic.

If CNN, or FOX doesn't report it, then it is a conspiracy because most of the people here are not capable of judging information for themselves, they have to be told what to think by the major media coroporations.

[MG1962]

Quote: If CNN, or FOX doesn't report it, then it is a conspiracy because most of the people here are not capable of judging information for themselves, they have to be told what to think by the major media coroporations

Although we come from very different view points - I have to find myself agreeing with you here. I always offer the advice to spread your news gathering as wide as possible, and from as many sources as well.

Over time you will find certain souces carry more weight than others. Example I find the BBC world service almost impeccable, yet in recent times I have found CNN to be on a path of desctruction with the Republican party.

So it is the old buyers beware

[Claudia Schiffer]

Norrin Radd wrote: The Stars and Stripes wrote: The Newb wrote: alternate theories forum for this

but

Quote: Oh, and don't forget the Bin Laden family flight out about a week after 9/11 on the presidential media jet.

if your brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever commited a crime should you be convicted as well?

they had denounced him many years before 9-11

Nope, I just doubt that they've disowned him completely. Sorry for posting on the wrong forum btw... didn't know the other existed. Mods can move/delete this even though this isn't actually a theory, just a collaboration of facts on the same topic.

If CNN, or FOX doesn't report it, then it is a conspiracy because most of the people here are not capable of judging information for themselves, they have to be told what to think by the major media coroporations.

Sooo true. :cry:

[Norrin Radd]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: If CNN, or FOX doesn't report it, then it is a conspiracy because most of the people here are not capable of judging information for themselves, they have to be told what to think by the major media coroporations

Although we come from very different view points - I have to find myself agreeing with you here. I always offer the advice to spread your news gathering as wide as possible, and from as many sources as well.

Over time you will find certain souces carry more weight than others. Example I find the BBC world service almost impeccable, yet in recent times I have found CNN to be on a path of desctruction with the Republican party.

So it is the old buyers beware

We come from different view points because you have not researched the most important topics.

1) Banking, it's history, the creation of the FED, how money is created and all the families involved.

2) The roundtable groups

3) The CFR and the Trilateral Commission

4) The War POwers act, national emergencies, E.O.s and PDDs.

5) The history of US corporations and their role in the buildup of NAZI Germany

6) Foundations, the Reece Committee, Norman Dodd, Rene Wormser and Carrol Quigley

7) The history of human experimentation

8) Pearl Harbor and FDR

There are other related topics, but these are the core. People like Col. House and the Dulles brothers were major players in setting US policies, yet few Americans know much about these men.

The Rothschilds, Warburgs, Cecil Rhodes and many other people are keys to understanding our current situation.

As to the BBC, I like that source a lot, but I would not use the word impeccable to describe ANY news source.

The Guardian UK is possibly the best major daily news source, but all news sources print the truth when it suits them. Sometimes the editorial page has the most pieces of truth, sometimes it is the worst page, all depends on what day of the week it is.

NEWSMAX used to be a great internet site, but it has devolved into a Republican mouthpiece. Still has good information, but it is much more slanted than when it was new. WND is still good, but not quite as good as it used to be.

All US magazines are crap, except NEW American and I still have a tiny bit of respect for US News and World Report.

NEW American is better than all other US magazines combined.

I still like using RENSE for finding stories, mainly because it just posts information and lets the user decide what to believe, or not to believe, without any commentary from the site. I just skip all the UFO/Bigfoot/Paranormal stories and look for topics that I believe are more important.

There are stories on RENSE from every major news agency and many small news outlets. While one must be extra careful verifying sources, this should be true for any source, even the BBC.

I know we have different views, but you seem pretty honest and I respect that.

If you believe in socialism in any shape of form, then we not likely ever agre on much, as it is obvious that socialism will never work as long as greed exists in man. If you do not belive in socialism in any form, then I apologise for getting my wires crossed.

[RandomPrecision06]

MG1962 wrote:

Over time you will find certain souces carry more weight than others. Example I find the BBC world service almost impeccable, yet in recent times I have found CNN to be on a path of desctruction with the Republican party.

So it is the old buyers beware

Could you clarify what you mean by the statement that's bolded? Reason being that I watch CNN (Not often but when I watch the news, it's usually CNN and sometimes Fox or MSNBC). I'm just not sure what you mean.

[Mighty Oak]

The Newb wrote: alternate theories forum for this

but

Quote: Oh, and don't forget the Bin Laden family flight out about a week after 9/11 on the presidential media jet.

if your brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever commited a crime should you be convicted as well?

they had denounced him many years before 9-11 No,but if my brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever was suspected of commiting the largest terrorist attack in the history of the U.S.,I would be questioned immediately and I would not be allowed to leave the country before I was questioned.Not one family member was questioned.They were allowed to leave without a word.

If you don't or can't understand the problem here then you probably never will.

[MG1962]

Quote: Could you clarify what you mean by the statement that's bolded? Reason being that I watch CNN (Not often but when I watch the news, it's usually CNN and sometimes Fox or MSNBC). I'm just not sure what you mean.

While I was in the States recently CNN was running this whole series of specials called "Broken Government" Watching a couple of the shows it really began to feel like a hatchet job on the republican party.

Not being American I had no real bias either way, so maybe I just noticed it a little more.

When it comes to things like Larry King and co - it is alright to editorialise, but the main news should be just that. Report whats out there as evenly as possible. With CNN I saw a lot about Republican issues, but didn't see the same sort of coverage of the Kerry gaff.

Perhaps the most alarming segment was the release of the tapes showing Iraq snipers going after US troops. It turns out a lot of that footage was over 12 months old. And some instances, after the snipers revealed themselves they were dispatched to Allah in pretty short order.

However none of this got reported. Only the frightening images of seemingly American soliders being shot at will. To me that shows a real lack of balance

[The Newb]

Mighty Oak wrote: The Newb wrote: alternate theories forum for this

but

Quote: Oh, and don't forget the Bin Laden family flight out about a week after 9/11 on the presidential media jet.

if your brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever commited a crime should you be convicted as well?

they had denounced him many years before 9-11 No,but if my brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever was suspected of commiting the largest terrorist attack in the history of the U.S.,I would be questioned immediately and I would not be allowed to leave the country before I was questioned.Not one family member was questioned.They were allowed to leave without a word.

If you don't or can't understand the problem here then you probably never will.

about a week after 9/11....that gives time for questioning, yet you assume they havent been...why is that?

[Norrin Radd]

The Newb wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: The Newb wrote: alternate theories forum for this

but

Quote: Oh, and don't forget the Bin Laden family flight out about a week after 9/11 on the presidential media jet.

if your brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever commited a crime should you be convicted as well?

they had denounced him many years before 9-11 No,but if my brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever was suspected of commiting the largest terrorist attack in the history of the U.S.,I would be questioned immediately and I would not be allowed to leave the country before I was questioned.Not one family member was questioned.They were allowed to leave without a word.

If you don't or can't understand the problem here then you probably never will.

about a week after 9/11....that gives time for questioning, yet you assume they havent been...why is that?

Maybe it's because it's hard to trust a government which has allowed a puppet government in Saudi Arabia to treat their people like s**t, treat women like property and teach hatred for the west in their schools/society, while at the same time making hundreds of billions of dollars from us.

According to the 911 Commission, the 22 of 26 of the Saudis who left the country were "interviewed."

But there is much more to the story.

The following link is very important, although the source isn't that great. Of course what the journalist writes isn't even important. What is important is the information presented in all the pieces the author uses for sources.

http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=14289

[RandomPrecision06]

MG1962 wrote: Could you clarify what you mean by the statement that's bolded? Reason being that I watch CNN (Not often but when I watch the news, it's usually CNN and sometimes Fox or MSNBC). I'm just not sure what you mean.

While I was in the States recently CNN was running this whole series of specials called "Broken Government" Watching a couple of the shows it really began to feel like a hatchet job on the republican party.


Oh. You mean that :)


Yeah. I saw the "Broken Government" special as well. And yeah.....it was obviously biased against the Republican party. Only reason it doesn't upset me too much is because we've always got Fox if you want to see things biased in completely the opposite direction. That and I figure the Republicans have earned all the scorn they get. Not that the Dems haven't but the Dems haven't been running the show for the last so many years. They've been preactically powerless so whatever's wrong sits pretty much on the shoulders of the Pubs.


Quote: Not being American I had no real bias either way, so maybe I just noticed it a little more.

I'm pretty sure most Americans noticed it. But as I said, we notice the same things when we watch Fox or ABC or CBS or NBC.

Quote:
When it comes to things like Larry King and co - it is alright to editorialise, but the main news should be just that. Report whats out there as evenly as possible. With CNN I saw a lot about Republican issues, but didn't see the same sort of coverage of the Kerry gaff.

If you mean his statement about being "stuck in Iraq", I don't feel that's a major news story. While I'm sure CNN didn't want to make a big deal out of it (because, as you say, they obviously favor the Dems), maybe they just didn't think it was a big deal. Bush made a big deal out of it because he was grasping for stuff and he makes a big deal out of everything.

On the other hand, I'm sure if it'd been Trent Lott or someone on the Republican side, CNN would have been all over it. That's just the way things are here. I don't like it. Many people don't like it. But that's trhe way it is.


Quote: Perhaps the most alarming segment was the release of the tapes showing Iraq snipers going after US troops. It turns out a lot of that footage was over 12 months old. And some instances, after the snipers revealed themselves they were dispatched to Allah in pretty short order.

However none of this got reported. Only the frightening images of seemingly American soliders being shot at will. To me that shows a real lack of balance

I didn't see that. I think most of our news outlets are in the habit of showing us images of stuff that happened months ago while discussing stuff that happened yesterday. Again, in America, pretty much everybody has an agenda. I suppose it's always been that way. Reporters have the ability to reach a lot of people (which, until the Internet was pretty unique to their profession). I think it's just been a lot more blatant lately. The reason for that seems to be that a lot of people seem to want their news to be biased. That and there doesn't seem to be a source that isn't (in one way or another).

[The Newb]

Norrin Radd wrote: The Newb wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: The Newb wrote: alternate theories forum for this

but

Quote: Oh, and don't forget the Bin Laden family flight out about a week after 9/11 on the presidential media jet.

if your brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever commited a crime should you be convicted as well?

they had denounced him many years before 9-11 No,but if my brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever was suspected of commiting the largest terrorist attack in the history of the U.S.,I would be questioned immediately and I would not be allowed to leave the country before I was questioned.Not one family member was questioned.They were allowed to leave without a word.

If you don't or can't understand the problem here then you probably never will.

about a week after 9/11....that gives time for questioning, yet you assume they havent been...why is that?

Maybe it's because it's hard to trust a government which has allowed a puppet government in Saudi Arabia to treat their people like s**t, treat women like property and teach hatred for the west in their schools/society, while at the same time making hundreds of billions of dollars from us.

According to the 911 Commission, the 22 of 26 of the Saudis who left the country were "interviewed."

But there is much more to the story.

The following link is very important, although the source isn't that great. Of course what the journalist writes isn't even important. What is important is the information presented in all the pieces the author uses for sources.

http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=14289

i would need a little more no offence, a dem archive well....i think you get the picture

[kristiantheconqueror]

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Ok, CNN is REALLY biased, along with the vast majority of the media. And whenI say biased, I don't mean the traditional republical rallying cry "liberal media (insert derogatory noun here)"

today's media is big buisness, and they will go after whatever fish looks the tastiest to the american public in an effort to catch it before their competition scoops them. that being said, the media will bash whoever if it stands to gain. However, when there's no real fish to catch the media tends to take a more republican stance for 2 reasons;

1. republicans are notoriously friendly with big corporatins with deep pockets (as they usually are heading one of them)

2. the republicans are currently in charge of our country (though that may change by the end of the week) and pleasing them by going against dems may garner favors.

[Norrin Radd]

The Newb wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: The Newb wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: The Newb wrote: alternate theories forum for this

but

Quote: Oh, and don't forget the Bin Laden family flight out about a week after 9/11 on the presidential media jet.

if your brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever commited a crime should you be convicted as well?

they had denounced him many years before 9-11 No,but if my brother, son, sister, daughter, mom, dad whatever was suspected of commiting the largest terrorist attack in the history of the U.S.,I would be questioned immediately and I would not be allowed to leave the country before I was questioned.Not one family member was questioned.They were allowed to leave without a word.

If you don't or can't understand the problem here then you probably never will.

about a week after 9/11....that gives time for questioning, yet you assume they havent been...why is that?

Maybe it's because it's hard to trust a government which has allowed a puppet government in Saudi Arabia to treat their people like s**t, treat women like property and teach hatred for the west in their schools/society, while at the same time making hundreds of billions of dollars from us.

According to the 911 Commission, the 22 of 26 of the Saudis who left the country were "interviewed."

But there is much more to the story.

The following link is very important, although the source isn't that great. Of course what the journalist writes isn't even important. What is important is the information presented in all the pieces the author uses for sources.

http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=14289

i would need a little more no offence, a dem archive well....i think you get the picture

Of course, I am used to closed minded people who judge information without bothering to look at it. This allows lazy people to continue to allow others to tell them what to think.

No, don't bother clicking on a link and seeing what sources were used by the author, no, that is too much work.

It is much easier to just allow the establishment to tell you what to think SO WHY BOTHER doing a tiny bit of reading?

What's really sad is that the mass media actually does a pretty good job, AS A WHOLE, but few people have time to sift through thousands of sites to find the few important pieces which appear each day. Someone like me has gone to the trouble of sifting through much of this information and I am willing to share my work with others, but closed minded people take a look at the name of the link and judge the information witrhout even bothering to SKIM the information.

So typical.

Here I will post the information so you don't have to trouble yourself with clicking the link.

Heck, maybe I will even bold the important parts since you are obviously unable to judge information for yourself.



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The Secret Saudi Flight on 9-13 Could be the Key to the Bush-Saudi-Al Qaeda Connection

By Catherine Arnie

About a month after the September 11th attacks, I read an article in the Tampa Tribune by Kathy Steele entitled "Phantom Flight From Florida." The intriguing report told the tale of a flight out of Florida that allegedly took place on September 13 - a day when ALL civilian air traffic in the United States was grounded.

"This was out of a Tom Clancy movie," according to a retired homicide detective who was hired for the flight. Its mission was to spirit the son of a Saudi prince, the son of a Saudi army commander, and another unidentified Saudi from Florida to Kentucky, because "there was a perceived threat, and the family of the person wanted him home right away."

The "person" in danger was the son of Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz, who is no minor figure in the Saudi Royal family. Rather, Prince Sultan is the kingdom's minister of defense, the third-ranking position in the Saudi Government, whose powers exceed those of even America's super-powerful Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Dan Grossi and Manuel Perez were the two Floridians who were hired to serve as private bodyguards on the flight.

According to the article in the Tampa Tribune, Dan Grossi is a retired Tampa cop who worked in internal affairs and homicide. Perez is a retired FBI man whose experience was in counter-terrorism and bomb-making. Perez now runs a detective agency and the two men provided security for the National Football League at Raymond James Stadium in September of 2001.

The article reported that shortly after the September 11 attack, Lexington police Lt. Mark Barnard received a request from a prominent Saudi Kingdom official for the protection of three young Saudi men in Florida, at least one of whom - Prince Sultan's son - had been studying English at the University of Tampa for three weeks. (Tampa police records listed Sultan Bin Fahad as the individual who specifically requested protection for the three men. That is probably Prince Sultan Bin Fahad, head of the Saudi General Presidency of Youth Welfare. In family-run Saudi Arabia, there is apparently a whole Ministry devoted to keeping Royal youth out of trouble - something the Bush family elders no doubt dream of copying.)

Apparently Barnard then contacted the Tampa police department and two "off-duty" Tampa intelligence detectives were assigned to watch the three Saudis for their protection. At around 11:00 AM on September 13, Dan Grossi received a phone call from the Tampa police detectives who needed help with a problem: escorting the Saudi men they were protecting on a flight to Kentucky.

Grossi and Perez evidently felt they were up to the task, and at 2:30 PM Grossi was contacted by the Tampa Police Department with specific instructions. And by 4:35 PM a plane carrying Grossi, Perez, Prince Sultan's son, the son of an unidentified Saudi military commander, and third unidentified Saudi, was in the air and en route to Kentucky. The private Lear jet flew from Ft. Lauderdale to Tampa, where it parked at Raytheon Airport Services, which owns a private hangar on the outskirts of the Tampa International airport.

(Tampa, of course, is home to General Tommy Franks and the Pentagon's Central Command (CentCom), which now rules Afghanistan and Iraq directly, and indirectly rules the entire oil-rich Middle East and Central Asia through its growing network of Halliburton-supplied military bases. Raytheon, of course, is the massive arms manufacturer that supplied many of the high-tech weapons used in Afghanistan and Iraq. Tampa is also near Venice FL, where Mad Cow Morning News has exposed numerous secrets about the training of 9-11 pilots Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi at shadowy local flight schools. And Tampa is in Florida, where Gov. Jeb Bush stole the 2000 election for his brother George, and where Jeb issued Executive Order 2001-261 to prepare the FL National Guard for a terrorist attack on 9-7-01.)

Their destination, according to the two bodyguards, was the Blue Grass Airport in Lexington, Kentucky, where the three Saudis were to link up with relatives who were in Kentucky to purchase race horses.

Grossi and Perez further stated that upon landing they saw several 747's parked on the tarmac with Arabic writing. The article suggests that at least one of these 747's flew back to Saudi Arabia with the boys, although their Floridian chaperones appear to have left the airport before that occurred. If true, the flight of these 747's would validate at least part of the Michael Moore story about powerful Saudis being allowed to fly out of the U.S. on the second day of the prohibition of all civilian flights.

Perez stated that he was unaware of who their charges were until they landed. Both men told of what a strange feeling it was to fly in an almost empty sky, and Perez recalls asking the pilot, "We're not going to get shot down are we?" - a legitimate fear, given the fact that fighter jets were urgently patrolling the skies looking for any more terrorists.

Regarding the curious fact that the flight had taken place when all other air traffic was still grounded, Dan Grossi said "he was told that clearance for the flight had come from the White House after the Prince's family pulled a favor from former President Bush."

If so, this was no ordinary ex-Presidential favor. In debunking a Michael Moore-inspired Internet rumor about a secret flight of relatives of Osama Bin Laden, Snopes.com describes exactly how restricted the skies were that day:

The Federal Aviation Administration ordered all flights in the United States grounded immediately following the terrorist attacks, and that ban stayed in effect until September 13. (Even then, for that first day commercial carriers were either completing the interrupted flights of September 11 or were repositioning empty aircraft in anticipation of the resumption of full service. New passenger flights did not resume until the 14th.) During that two-day period of full lock-down, only the military and specially FAA-authorized flights that delivered life-saving medical necessities were in the air. The enforcement of the empty skies directive was so stringent that even after the United Network for Organ Sharing sought and gained FAA clearance to use charter aircraft on September 12 to effect time-critical deliveries of organs for transplant, one of its flights carrying a human heart was forced to the ground in Bellingham, Washington, 80 miles short of its Seattle destination, by two Navy F/A-18 fighters. (The organ completed its journey after being transferred to a helicopter.)

After reading the Tampa Tribune article, I distinctly remember blinking and checking the URL to see if I had accidentally clicked on a link to one of those "publications" that spots Elvis, or reports that ninety year old women have just given birth to Bigfoot's baby. But no, this was indeed the Tampa Tribune.

I remember wondering how on earth our government could have authorized a flight out of the country before they even knew who the perpetrators of the attacks were?

And further, why did the families of the young men "perceive a threat" when it wasn't yet clear on the 13th of September exactly WHO had attacked America or where they were from?

According to a transcript on the State Departments website of a statement given by a "Senior White House Official" on September 13 at 5:22 PM it had not yet been announced that Bin Laden was behind the attacks when protection was requested for the three young men.

When this "Senior White House official" was asked if Osama Bin Laden had perpetrated the attacks against the US at 5:22 PM on September 13th, to which he replied: "I think that right now what we need to do is -- as I said, again, this happened 60 hours ago. We don't want to be premature, not because we don't want to name or finger someone, but because we want to make sure that we understand all the connections, not just a connection."

Was Prince Sultan a psychic who somehow mysteriously predicted that 15 of the 19 hijackers would turn out to be Saudi nationals? Or did he perhaps know who was behind the attacks since he was funding charities linked to Al Qaeda?

Now fast forward about a year and a half and imagine my surprise last week when I read a "Newsweek web exclusive" that reported that Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz - THE VERY SAME defense minister of Saudi Arabia - is being sued on the behalf of the victims of 9-11 for his alleged role in the financing of groups suspected to have links to the terrorist attacks of 9-11!

"Wow," I thought, "wasn't this the SAME Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz who had the kid on the Phantom flight?"

After further checking, I discovered that - yes, my friends - they are one and the same!

According to the Newsweek article, when three attorneys from the "prestigious Houston firm" that represents Sultan bin Abdul Aziz filed a motion in court in the Prince's defense, they also inadvertently provided evidence in the form of "stacks of affidavits and canceled checks" that indicated that the Prince had personally authorized the funneling of millions of dollars on the behalf of Saudi Arabian government to organizations that the US has identified and raided as terrorist front operations sympathetic to Osama Bin Laden.

But it gets worse...

The name of the "prestigious Houston Law firm" that is representing this suspected supporter of terrorism?

(NOTE-THIS NEXT PART IS WRONG. AS NOTED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE-----------NORRIN)

Why that would be none other than Baker Botts of Houston - as in JAMES Baker, as in THE James Baker: George Herbert Walker Bush's former Secretary of State and George W. Bush's counsel during the 2000 election recounts (you know, "Mr. the votes have been counted and recounted and counted again and even though we still lost we're taking the crown"?)

It seems that in spite of the fact that Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz and his government have been accused of funding charities linked to Al Qaeda, James Baker's firm still feels the need to defend the Prince against those "evil" trial lawyers representing the orphaned families of the 9-11 victims.

But perhaps what is just as shocking to me is the allegation that the son of this SAME Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz was reportedly flown out of the United States when all other planes were grounded following the special orders of Bush's own father!

Moreover, the entire 9-13 mission of the Lear jet is shrouded in mystery. That mission began in Ft. Lauderdale, stopped in Tampa and Lexington, and returned to Tampa to bring Grossi and Perez home. But then the jet flew to New Orleans "to pick up someone who needed a ride to New York." So this plane made AT LEAST 5 flights on 9-13, but the FAA told the Tampa Tribune, "it's not in our logs... it didn't occur." The White House, the State Department, and the National Security Council all refused to answer the Tribune's questions.

Now the Bush administration is refusing to make public an 800-page Congressional report on the attacks of 9-11. In fact, this administration is so hell-bent on keeping the report from the public that they are even "re-classifying" information that was already a part of the public record!

According to a new Newsweek bombshell by Michael Isikoff,

Among the portions of the report the administration refuses to declassify, sources say, are chapters dealing with two politically and diplomatically sensitive issues: the details of daily intelligence briefings given to Bush in the summer of 2001 and evidence pointing to Saudi government ties to Al Qaeda. Bush officials have taken such a hard line, sources say, that they are refusing to permit the release of matters already in the public domain -- including the existence of intelligence documents referred to on the CIA Web site.

As average citizens struggle to carry on their daily business and keep their blood pressure in check in the midst of a new "orange alert," Mr. Bush & Co. are still busy protecting their buddies in Saudi Arabia and lying to the American public.

Why can't we know the truth about who our enemies are, Mr. Bush?

One has to wonder when George W. said, "You're either with us or against us" - just exactly who he meant by "us." "Us" is beginning to look like a Bush-Saudi-Al Qaeda conspiracy, especially when one includes the well-known business ties between George H. W. Bush, James Baker, and the Bin Laden family through the infamous Carlyle Group.

In a scandal this potentially huge - one implicating the President's close family and family lawyer - shouldn't a Special Prosecutor be appointed? If the President was Bill Clinton, the family member was Hillary Clinton, and the family lawyer was Webster Hubbell, the media - not to mention the Republican Party - would be demanding a Special Prosecutor at the top of their lungs 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Even though the post-Watergate Special Prosecutor law was repealed after Ken Starr's legal lynching of President Clinton, pre-Watergate-style Special Prosecutors can still be appointed by the Attorney General.

Editor's note: the initial version of this article incorrectly identified Bush family consiglieri James A. Baker III of Baker, Botts as the same James A. Baker who serves as Counsel for Intelligence Policy to the Justice Department's Office for Intelligence Policy and Review (OIPR). It is not the same person. For a fuller explanation of this error, click here.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/04/18_baker.html

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YOU SEE, IF YOU HAD BOTHERED TO ACTUALLY READ THE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU JUDGED IT, YOU WOULD HAVE LEARNED THAT MOST OF IT CAME FROM TWO ARTICLES, ONE FROM THE TAMPA TRIBUNE AND ONE FROM NEWSWEEK.

JEESH.

[The Newb]

no i read it, and i know the tampa tribune well,its a fine paper, i am from near there, yet i question its entire validity of this article, i have sources much more credible that i would like to research first