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The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

agentkgb wrote:
Your downloading and telling people probably doesn't help them as much as it would if you bought their CD. Also, a number of other people who hear about it through you probably would download it illegally also.

their CDs can only be ordered over the internet. this is completely invconveinent and some people don't have credit cards(especially teenagers). how, pray tell, will they listen to that bands music without downloading?

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

The Comrade wrote: agentkgb wrote:
Your downloading and telling people probably doesn't help them as much as it would if you bought their CD. Also, a number of other people who hear about it through you probably would download it illegally also.

their CDs can only be ordered over the internet. this is completely invconveinent and some people don't have credit cards(especially teenagers). how, pray tell, will they listen to that bands music without downloading?
Napster lets you buy cards at stores and download it without stealing.
And if a band only allows its CDs to be purchased over the internet, then that's pretty stupid of them and will likely result in less profit for them, but it's certainly not an excuse to download it illegally.

antonio62 · Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject:

agentkgb wrote: The Comrade wrote: agentkgb wrote: The Comrade wrote: if i didn't download music i wouldn't be able to listen to about 95% of the bands i like. i essentially advertise for bands when i download their music and spread it through word of mouth. i'm actually helping them rather then hurting them.
:? Unless the people you tell about them download it illegally also.

and then they tell other people. and so on and so forth and the word spreads. if people like them, they'll probably buy the CD and go to their shows or concerts.
Your downloading and telling people probably doesn't help them as much as it would if you bought their CD. Also, a number of other people who hear about it through you probably would download it illegally also.

Some would. Some would download it and then buy thre CD after liking it. Some would buy it straightaway. Some would listen to them in some way and buy the bands merchandise or go to their shows. In the end small bands benifit from downloading. Only major labels don't benifit. It would be a good thing for culture if all the major labels went bust.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

agentkgb wrote:
Napster lets you buy cards at stores and download it without stealing.
And if a band only allows its CDs to be purchased over the internet, then that's pretty stupid of them and will likely result in less profit for them, but it's certainly not an excuse to download it illegally.

how is it stupid?

you think places like FYE are going to sell CDs from underground bands? no, they won't. you act like all bands have millions of dollars and are incredibly popular. which of course is not true.

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

The Comrade wrote: agentkgb wrote:
Napster lets you buy cards at stores and download it without stealing.
And if a band only allows its CDs to be purchased over the internet, then that's pretty stupid of them and will likely result in less profit for them, but it's certainly not an excuse to download it illegally.

how is it stupid?

you think places like FYE are going to sell CDs from underground bands? no, they won't. you act like all bands have millions of dollars and are incredibly popular. which of course is not true.
I'm talking about downloading illegally. If they've put it out on the internet like that for downloading then that's different.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject:

agentkgb wrote: The Comrade wrote: agentkgb wrote:
Your downloading and telling people probably doesn't help them as much as it would if you bought their CD. Also, a number of other people who hear about it through you probably would download it illegally also.
their CDs can only be ordered over the internet. this is completely invconveinent and some people don't have credit cards(especially teenagers). how, pray tell, will they listen to that bands music without downloading?
Napster lets you buy cards at stores and download it without stealing.

Napster is a peice of s**t, plain and simple. They were cool back in the early days. After they became a pay service, they became worthless F**K**. I bought and paid for about 40 songs from them. I figured, "hey, why not give buying music a try." Soon after, none of my goddamn songs worked. Now, they still don't. Always serching for some stupid ass liscense s**t or something. You can't take the songs to another computer, you can't format your computer, and you always have to install Napster with all of it's spyware and extra garbage to run them. Another corperation screwing you. So hey, I learned my lesson. I went back to taking the music, just like before.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

agentkgb wrote:
I'm talking about downloading illegally. If they've put it out on the internet like that for downloading then that's different.

okay, how does that answer anything?

alot of bands can't sell their CDs in stores, and as such, they sell them online. this is inconvenient for alot of their consumers, and as such, downloading them is far easier, and spreads by word od mouth hwo good said band is.

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

The Comrade wrote: agentkgb wrote:
I'm talking about downloading illegally. If they've put it out on the internet like that for downloading then that's different.

okay, how does that answer anything?

alot of bands can't sell their CDs in stores, and as such, they sell them online. this is inconvenient for alot of their consumers, and as such, downloading them is far easier, and spreads by word od mouth hwo good said band is.
If it's so useful for the bands then they might release some eongs to encourage purchasing other CDs, but if you're downloading it illegally, you obviously don't have your approval. If it's so helpful to them write a letter and ask them to release everything for free since that would make it easier for you to convince people to buy their stuff. They probably won't release it like that though, since they probably don't benefit from people freely downloading their songs.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

agentkgb wrote:
If it's so useful for the bands then they might release some eongs to encourage purchasing other CDs, but if you're downloading it illegally, you obviously don't have your approval. If it's so helpful to them write a letter and ask them to release everything for free since that would make it easier for you to convince people to buy their stuff. They probably won't release it like that though, since they probably don't benefit from people freely downloading their songs.

most underground bands give their CDs away for free or drastially low prices.

ubikk · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 2303

What if you pay for the downloads?

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

ubikk wrote: What if you pay for the downloads?
If you pay the band then it's not illegal to my knowledge.

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

The Comrade wrote: agentkgb wrote:
If it's so useful for the bands then they might release some eongs to encourage purchasing other CDs, but if you're downloading it illegally, you obviously don't have your approval. If it's so helpful to them write a letter and ask them to release everything for free since that would make it easier for you to convince people to buy their stuff. They probably won't release it like that though, since they probably don't benefit from people freely downloading their songs.

most underground bands give their CDs away for free or drastially low prices.
Just upthread you were telling me how impossible it was to get their music without downloading it illegally.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

agentkgb wrote:
Just upthread you were telling me how impossible it was to get their music without downloading it illegally.

it is. because they only do this at shows or concerts.

let me ask you something, do you know alot about music or bands at all?

MplsBison · Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 3379

Lets say that I write a computer program that will create .txt file.

This file will be a text document.

The the characters of the document will be nothing but 0's and 1's. Each character is what is known as a "bit".

Typically, 8 bits make up a "byte". A byte is the "B" in such phrases as 100 GB hard drive. That would be 100 billion bytes.

A typical 12 cm, single side, dual layer DVD has a capacity of 8.5 GB or 68 Gbits. That's 68 billion bits.

My document will have 68 billion characters where each character is either a 0 or a 1.

The program will loop through until every possible combination of a 0 or 1 for 68 billion characters has been outputted.

For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume infinite resources and computing power such that this task could be accomplished in a reasonable amount of time.

I have now reproduced every single possible movie that has ever been made or can ever be made, so long as it fits on a 12 cm, single side, dual layer DVD (which most standard definition movies do with room to spare for extras).

I've done it without stealing or even borrowing in any possible sense.

In fact, I not only now have every movie...I have every song, every book, every TV show, every recipe, .... every anything that our society has ever considered "intellectual property", so long as it fits in the 8.5 GB of virtual storage space.

What I just did was prove that intellectual property is impossible.

It's a fallacy that is enforced by authorities to ensure that rich people stay rich.

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

The Comrade wrote: agentkgb wrote:
Just upthread you were telling me how impossible it was to get their music without downloading it illegally.

it is. because they only do this at shows or concerts.

let me ask you something, do you know alot about music or bands at all?
Yes. Regardless of how it "helps" them for you to download their music, it might be possible that they don't want you to do it.

Passage · Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 57 Location: USA

You guys do know that most artists signed by big record companies barley make any money off CD sales. They are paid a certain amount in advance. I remember reading somewhere that most bands only make about 25 cents off each album sold, the rest goes to the company heads.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

agentkgb wrote:
Yes. Regardless of how it "helps" them for you to download their music, it might be possible that they don't want you to do it.

then they can put protection on their CDs so you can't import the songs to your computer. since most bands don't do this i don't think they really care.

MplsBison · Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 3379

I think the internet will allow bands to eventually ditch the labels and go independent.

The only thing that should matter to a band is that as many people as possible get to hear their recorded work.

Then, when they come to town on tour, they'll sell lots of tickets to their shows.

That's how bands do/should make their money. Live shows.

It isn't/should not be by selling recorded work.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

tman_ndsu08 wrote: I think the internet will allow bands to eventually ditch the labels and go independent.

The only thing that should matter to a band is that as many people as possible get to hear their recorded work.

Then, when they come to town on tour, they'll sell lots of tickets to their shows.

That's how bands do/should make their money. Live shows.

It isn't/should not be by selling recorded work.

agreed. if a bands sole purpose is to sell records then they don't deserve the fans or the money.

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

The Comrade wrote: agentkgb wrote:
Yes. Regardless of how it "helps" them for you to download their music, it might be possible that they don't want you to do it.

then they can put protection on their CDs so you can't import the songs to your computer. since most bands don't do this i don't think they really care.
There's a reason they call it "illegal." If the bands didn't care it wouldn't be illegal.