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[Venom]

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Quote: "Of course Americans should vote Democrat," Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, told WND.

Quote: Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party's position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

I believe what this terrorist is saying, democrats ruling for the War on Terror means a loss for the West.
Appeasement doesn't have a very good track record...

[mendosan]

Venom wrote: Source

Quote: "Of course Americans should vote Democrat," Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, told WND.

Quote: Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party's position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

I believe what this terrorist is saying, democrats ruling for the War on Terror means a loss for the West.
Appeasement doesn't have a very good track record...

Because the Republicans have an excellent record on the WOT.

If I were a terrorist I would want people to vote republican so they can keep driving Muslims into my arms.

[mODULAR mAN]

Venom wrote:
I believe what this terrorist is saying, ...

Mod edit. Personal insults are against forum rules. Knock it off.

LNRW

[Plato & Socrates]

mendosan wrote: Venom wrote: Source

Quote: "Of course Americans should vote Democrat," Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, told WND.

Quote: Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party's position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

I believe what this terrorist is saying, democrats ruling for the War on Terror means a loss for the West.
Appeasement doesn't have a very good track record...

Because the Republicans have an excellent record on the WOT.

If I were a terrorist I would want people to vote republican so they can keep driving Muslims into my arms.

You beat me too it Mendosan. This notion that Al-Qada want the Dems to win is utter nonsense. Come to think of it, Al-Qada may be playing us. :lol: A bit of counter psychology to get exactly what they want. A brainless Bush led Republican party victory. So they can "stay the course" to disaster. :lol:

[Venom]

Quote: I bet you do, traitor. You are trusting the word of a terrorist over an American. You are the lowest form of scum.
Yes I do believe they want Democrats elected... on what rational does that make me a traitor that I belive what they are saying? How is that trusting the word of a terrorist over an American? If someone tells me they want something and has a track record to support what they say I believe it. That has nothing to do with allegience to one's country. You know I think people like John Kerry are traitors, ones that will do or say anything to retain power.
I also trust John Kerry's words that people in the military are apparent idiots and also that he doesn't know what stance of the war to take.
Quote: "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is critical to the outcome of the war on terror, and therefore any advance in Iraq is an advance forward in that..." -- John Kerry 12/15/03

John Kerry believes we should be there and that the war is critical to the War on Terror.
http://www.rightwingnews.com/category.php?ent=2283

Quote: Because the Republicans have an excellent record on the WOT.

If I were a terrorist I would want people to vote republican so they can keep driving Muslims into my arms.
Muslims were are already flocking to the arms of Terrorists long prior to the WOT. There are long strings of attacks versus the United States decades prior to the WOT, by Islamic extremists. Also the report about Iraq stating that it has created more terrorists may be right, however the same report states that if Iraq does become stable it is very likely to reduce the amount of Muslims becoming terrorists.
Republicans do have a better record on the WOT. Republics and Democrats voted for the war in Iraq. It wasn't just a strafe run and get out, it's an attempt to help that country be able to control itself. Now the Democrats wish to leave this breeding ground of terrorists to? The terrorists. Hrmm wonder what will happen to Iraq if we pull out.
Look at Kerry whom seems to believe that if you don't do well in college they'll hand you a rifle and send you to Iraq. The whole Democrat election point is the bad news of Iraq.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/18/bush-tet/
Now if the people of this site or many of their posters bothered to read history they would realize that the Tet Offensive was a huge military failure. So the President is correct in my opinion. This is the Tet Offensive. The enemy is being killed in greater numbers, yet the media and those with a lack of military understanding deem it a military failure. Why? Because politically it sounds bad to have these attacks.
During the Massive sneak attack known as the Tet Offensive 45,000 NVA/VC were killed... compared to 1,536 US personnel killed. Now we can also mention that nearly 7,000 NVA/VC were captured. This was a HUGE military blunder on the part of the NVA/VC yet politics spinned this into a great American military failure. Once again we are watching this happen. The US and apparently a great deal of the West has lost it's ability to deal with war and instead chooses to turn to politics instead of facts.

Now with all the said, no the Republicans have been far from perfect. However they have done a lot better than the Democrats whom pursue the idea of cutting and running. Even if you feel Iraq is a mistake for the US to have invaded, I find it hard to believe that someone can actually rationalize withdraw. That's exactly whats' wrong with the US' international affairs, the seemingly lack of ability to follow through with anything when it becomes difficult. This dates back to even when Reagan was President and the US Marine Barracks was bombed in Lebanon. Further more terrorists learned from that and Somalia that if you kill enough Americans they will leave.
So yes I do believe the Republicans have done much better in the WOT. So if you were a terrorist, watching your networks come under continued attack, a possible defeat in Iraq/Afghanistan, constant threat to your movements of people, money, weapons why not vote for a party that endorses less of this? The democratic party is FOR leaving Iraq, they are FOR less actions against terrorists (such as the Patriot Act), they are for less military spending, etc.. So it makes sense for terrorists to want Democrats in power, as they have a track record of weakening the US' ability to strike them.


Plato
Quote: You beat me too it Mendosan. This notion that Al-Qada want the Dems to win is utter nonsense. Come to think of it, Al-Qada may be playing us. A bit of counter psychology to get exactly what they want. A brainless Bush led Republican party victory. So they can "stay the course" to disaster.
I perfer action over reaction and I perfet to follow through with my actions. Now lets see, Republican lead action that has lead to attacks of Islamic terrorists, thousands of their deaths in Iraq, the spread of things they hate, a stronger US military/intel, the idea of the US staying in Iraq.
Now the democrats whom vote strongly against bills to boost US intel and military power, to leave Iraq, to generally sit on their hands and appease them.
Ya I'd say the terorists would hate to have Democrats in office :lol:

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lol, based on the republican marketing campaig, maybe it's a republican whosid that.

or more logically, if a terrorist said he wanted you to vote democrat, wouldnt that mean he wanted you to vote republican.

And besides, do you really want war?

[mODULAR mAN]

Venom wrote: Quote: I bet you do, traitor. You are trusting the word of a terrorist over an American. You are the lowest form of scum.
Yes I do believe they want Democrats elected... on what rational does that make me a traitor that I belive what they are saying? How is that trusting the word of a terrorist over an American? If someone tells me they want something and has a track record to support what they say I believe it. That has nothing to do with allegience to one's country. You know I think people like John Kerry are traitors, ones that will do or say anything to retain power.
I also trust John Kerry's words that people in the military are apparent idiots and also that he doesn't know what stance of the war to take.

I know you believe the terrorists, you keep saying that. It is clear you have taken the words of terrorists over the words of Americans, soncerning the defense of this country.

The fact that you think the "Liberals" are the enemy an dyou are getting your talking points from Al Queda, tells me everything I need to know about you.

You are a traitor.

And, a dishonest one, since you know Kerry was not making fun of the troops; you just want to believe he did.

You are despicable and America has no place for traitors like you.

[agentkgb]

With similar logic Venom, I'll say that the Republicans clearly benefited from the terrorists saying that, so either the terrorists want Republicans to win or the Republicans are paying the terrorists off to say that, you know, giving them arms and stuff.
Of course, Republicans would never give arms to someone who might do harm with them...
Anyway your post is pretty illogical.

[ALi*]

mODULAR mAN wrote: Venom wrote:
I believe what this terrorist is saying, ...

I bet you do, traitor. You are trusting the word of a terrorist over an American. You are the lowest form of scum.

Is this kind of language permitted here ??? :shock: :shock:
i mean...?? :-| :!?:

if the ""terrorist"" is saying vote democrats... i think u should listen and vote democrats especially if its gonna help reduce their attacks... no??

[Venom]

Quote: lol, based on the republican marketing campaig, maybe it's a republican whosid that.
Nevermind that the terrorist is quoted in the article I linked...

Quote: or more logically, if a terrorist said he wanted you to vote democrat, wouldnt that mean he wanted you to vote republican.
Or maybe more logically, a terrrorist said he wanted you to vote democrat, so you'd think he really wanted you to vote Republican and then you'd vote Democrat? :lol:

Quote: And besides, do you really want war?
I perfer attacking an enemy rather than waiting to have them attack me.

Quote: I know you believe the terrorists, you keep saying that. It is clear you have taken the words of terrorists over the words of Americans, soncerning the defense of this country.
Soncering the defense of this country? :LOL: Yes lets look at this issue Republican VS Democrat and you'll see a horrible Democratic record of military cuts and lack of military support.

Quote: The fact that you think the "Liberals" are the enemy an dyou are getting your talking points from Al Queda, tells me everything I need to know about you.
Read the article, it's a "talking point" from Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. You do realize there are other terrorist groups than Al Queda right? Also if you care to look at the history of many terrorist groups you'd be able to grasp that many of these religous zelots will openly and honestly speak their opinions regardless of what others think. Just like in Iraq sometimes you'll be able to ask if they are Mujihaden and they will actually admit that to your face. Hrmm did Osama not release a video tape to "address the American people", why yes he did. So recent history of actions shows that these very terrorists will speak their mind. I guess the Republicans are paying terrorists across the world to say and preach death to America right? :loL:
Liberals are an enemy in the War On Terror, they are attempting to cripple the United State's ability to wage the war. Hence why the military shows a vast majority of support for Republican leaders...

Quote: You are a traitor.

And, a dishonest one, since you know Kerry was not making fun of the troops; you just want to believe he did.

A dishonest one? :LOL: I don't believe he was making fun of them, I believe he was insulting them.
I'm glad you support a liberal leader than can somehow be for the war and against it depending on the political weather. :LOL:
Fact is Kerry is a disgrace to the military. :)

Quote: You are despicable and America has no place for traitors like you.
Yeah yeah... Yet the majority of the military of the United States feels the same way, I guess we all have to go? :LOL:
A weak attempt of a smoke screen with zero substance.
So since your feeling so patriotic why not join the military?

Agentkgb
Quote: With similar logic Venom, I'll say that the Republicans clearly benefited from the terrorists saying that, so either the terrorists want Republicans to win or the Republicans are paying the terrorists off to say that, you know, giving them arms and stuff.
Sure Republicans are paying them off in Iraq and Afghanistan in the form of 500lb bombs on their houses. :LOL:
So if you want to use this logic, then if people get this sort of feeling from the comments about Republicans being what terrorists want, wouldn't it be the Democrats whom would be benefiting? Hrmmmmmmm


Ali
Quote: if the ""terrorist"" is saying vote democrats... i think u should listen and vote democrats especially if its gonna help reduce their attacks... no??

Plato
Quote: You beat me too it Mendosan. This notion that Al-Qada want the Dems to win is utter nonsense. Come to think of it, Al-Qada may be playing us. A bit of counter psychology to get exactly what they want. A brainless Bush led Republican party victory. So they can "stay the course" to disaster.
Al-Qada could be playing us? So it's ruled a mind game that they will say for people to vote Democrat so they vote Republican. Yet this seemingly transparent words to you all clearly shows their intent in your minds. So I guess it's too much for them to figure some would believe, as you all have validated, they are saying vote Democrat, so you believe they want Republicans, so you vote Democrat? Naaaaa.. it only works versus conservatives :LOL:

Quote: So they can "stay the course" to disaster
First they have changed strategies over time, while it hasn't been some huge change what do you want? Who cares anyways, as Kerry has stated, it's just morons that are part of the United States Armed forces, that's why they are stuck in Iraq :lol:
Let's clean the slow house in the US and kill some terrorists a win win!!

[agentkgb]

Venom wrote: Quote: With similar logic Venom, I'll say that the Republicans clearly benefited from the terrorists saying that, so either the terrorists want Republicans to win or the Republicans are paying the terrorists off to say that, you know, giving them arms and stuff.
Sure Republicans are paying them off in Iraq and Afghanistan in the form of 500lb bombs on their houses. :LOL:
I was actually referring to the US giving stuff to the Taliban to fight the USSR but whatever. I obvioulsy don't actually think that terrorists are being paid to say this stuff. I'm just saying that the OP doesn't make much sense.

[Venom]

Quote: Of course, Republicans would never give arms to someone who might do harm with them...
Hrmm fighting the other "super power" in the Cold War... the threat of nuclear annihilation... the threat of the spreading of Communism, versus training and giving weapons to fight this theat when at the time they didn't pose much of a threat to the United States, but ya I can see how the Republicans should have seen 9/11 coming when fighting the Soviets.

[agentkgb]

Venom wrote: Quote: Of course, Republicans would never give arms to someone who might do harm with them...
Hrmm fighting the other "super power" in the Cold War... the threat of nuclear annihilation... the threat of the spreading of Communism, versus training and giving weapons to fight this theat when at the time they didn't pose much of a threat to the United States, but ya I can see how the Republicans should have seen 9/11 coming when fighting the Soviets.
For the third time, I wasn't actually saying that the Republicans paid terrorists to say this, I was just questioning your logic.

[Venom]

Quote: For the third time, I wasn't actually saying that the Republicans paid terrorists to say this, I was just questioning your logic
Thats fine. That is why I questioned the logica that the terrorists want Republicans. They go on the record very against what many Republicans want and as time has shown they had a much better "safer" time under the last Democrat President than they did under the most recent Republican.

Quote: Of course, Republicans would never give arms to someone who might do harm with them...
A rather suggestive statement.

[agentkgb]

Venom wrote: Quote: For the third time, I wasn't actually saying that the Republicans paid terrorists to say this, I was just questioning your logic
Thats fine. That is why I questioned the logica that the terrorists want Republicans. They go on the record very against what many Republicans want and as time has shown they had a much better "safer" time under the last Democrat President than they did under the most recent Republican.
If I were a terrorist who gained supporters by opposing people who invade Muslim countries, of course I would go on the record as opposing Republicans' ideas about invading Iraq and Afghanistan. If I were bin Laden or another terrorist leader though I also might think it convenient that so many Americans and other Westerners had come to invade those countries, putting them on my "home turf" and making recruiting that much easier. An everyday terrorist might think differently from the leaders, I don't know, but since the issue is the terrorist leaders saying things that's not really important.

[smo69]

Let me go off topic here a second....

What is the agenda of the Democratic party?! I consider myself a moderate, but I'm sorry to say that the Democratic party is terribly weak right now. Some Democrats don't favor a withdrawl, some do favor a withdrawl, others think the military personel are stupid, and others try to blind you with domestic issues. The War on Terror, the most important issue on the table, and they can't come up with one damn good idea on how to assess that.

I find myself somehow trying to side with the Democratic party for my own "counter-ignorance," but I haven't had many good reasons to do that.

Quote: I was actually referring to the US giving stuff to the Taliban to fight the USSR but whatever.
These Taliban bastards back-stabbed us. Just like every other country on this globe. We give them money, arms, etc., and most of them continue to mock this country like envious children. The US is like a woman: "Can't live wit 'em, can't live wit out 'em." Besides grandpa (UK), this country really has no room for 'best' friends... Can't trust anyone any more. Well, let the vicious cycle continue; we support 'em, they screw us. ....France doesn't fall too far from the tree either.

[agentkgb]

smo69 wrote: Let me go off topic here a second....
Yeah I'd say that's off topic. I'd respond to one of your points but I'd prefer not to derail the thread.

[smo69]

agentkgb wrote: smo69 wrote: Let me go off topic here a second....
Yeah I'd say that's off topic. I'd respond to one of your points but I'd prefer not to derail the thread.

I voice it cut and clean. Let me get myself a little more on topic.

Taking advice from terrorist leaders is stupid either way you look at it. I'm not going to check "Joe Shmoe (D)" on my ballot just because Borat says to do so. Neither am I going to check "George Dubbayahoo! (R)" on my ballot just because Bin Laden needs a f-in coffee break.

Every comment I made was subjective, yes. But... show me an "FDR (D)" on the ballot and I will give my left arm to make a check, and my supporting vote, for this great Democrat. I don't favor political agendas, just show me what your capable of...

[agentkgb]

Maybe just start a new thread? I think you can start like five a day or something. And you'd get responses that way too?

[smo69]

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