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[Snake]

Peace talks have happened before. That guy Sadat, he made a peace treaty that is still honored today by Syria. Notice there was no invasion. I'm getting tired of this crap. I personally think the leaders of all the hizbu'llahs, and martyr groups, as well as the leaders of Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and possibly Iran, need to be kidnapped and placed in a room. The only way they can leave is if they can all come to the agreement that they can stop killing each other. If they f*ck that up, they get a bullet in the head for non-compliance as an example to the others.

[The Newb]

Kamel wrote: Peace talks have happened before. That guy Sadat, he made a peace treaty that is still honored today by Syria. Notice there was no invasion. I'm getting tired of this crap. I personally think the leaders of all the hizbu'llahs, and martyr groups, as well as the leaders of Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and possibly Iran, need to be kidnapped and placed in a room. The only way they can leave is if they can all come to the agreement that they can stop killing each other. If they f*ck that up, they get a bullet in the head for non-compliance as an example to the others.

why not a death match cage? winner takes all

let the leaders truly decide :wink:

[bunny]

Margo wrote: The culture of hatred and lack of value towards human life is so indoctrinated into these people from birth, that I wasn't surprised by this latest cowardly act. Sickening.


I agree, the Israeli's need a good slap of reality... those occupational bastards have been bring nothing but tyranny, to the poor people of the Occupied Territoires.

This was just another illegal incursion by the IDF, who again, it seems, is occupying Gaza, dispensing a collective punishment on the civilians who live there, in this case, targeting women, who they truned to fire at.

[bunny]

Margo wrote:
Talking??...Never going to happen. The ultimate desire for Hamas and Hezbollah is for Israel to blown off the map.

That makes sense, considering that both Hamas & Hexbollah were created to combat the IDF & Israeli Agressions.

it's amazing what 40 years of tyranny will cause

Margo wrote: They will never recognize Israel's right to exist.

Indirectly, they already have.

Margo wrote: Israel has made far more concessions, tolerated far more hate in the past 60 some years to back down.

Mod edit. Do not engage in personal insults. It is against forum rules.

LNRW


Margo wrote: I predict they'll all eventually kill themselves and drag us down with them if they can.

How would they do this, smartass?

[Snake]

The Newb wrote: why not a death match cage? winner takes all

let the leaders truly decide :wink: Two leaders enter, one leader leaves!!! :lol:

[The Newb]

Kamel wrote: The Newb wrote: why not a death match cage? winner takes all

let the leaders truly decide :wink: Two leaders enter, one leader leaves!!! :lol:

deasert dome :lol:

[Snake]

Throw in Mel Gibson and a midget, and you got a real good show :lol:

[The Newb]

Kamel wrote: Throw in Mel Gibson and a midget, and you got a real good show :lol: :rotf:

[Fido]

Margo wrote: The culture of hatred and lack of value towards human life is so indoctrinated into these people from birth, that I wasn't surprised by this latest cowardly act. Sickening.

Have you had enough blood today? Do you ever think: Some day I am going to get sick of death, and pain, and hopelessness. Some day I am going to quite justifying my own death by wishing it for others. Some day I am going to celebrate every human soul even if they do not because I can see the touch of God in all the beautiful eyes.
Hate must be like the force of gravity because when people quit resisting it they fall into it. When you get sick of your own personal hell of hate; don't forget to ask for a line.

[Fido]

Margo wrote: Kamel wrote: This right here will solve the Isreal Palestine problem. Both sides need to STFU, Isreal needs to recognise Palestine as a soverign nation, no if's and's or but's, Hamas/Hizbu'llah need to stop spreading the death to this and that propaganda, Both need to talk it out, using words not bullets to get their message across, in an open forum so the entire world can hear each individual voice, and they both need to get along with each other and come to some goddamned understanding. This sh*t's been going on for what? 40-60 f*cking years? Come on people, WTF?!

Talking??...Never going to happen. The ultimate desire for Hamas and Hezbollah is for Israel to blown off the map. They will never recognize Israel's right to exist. Israel has made far more concessions, tolerated far more hate in the past 60 some years to back down. I predict they'll all eventually kill themselves and drag us down with them if they can.

No one any where is disputing with Israel's right to exist, and this is certainly true of Muslims. But Israel is not a place, but a nation of people. Carving Israel the place out of Palestine, out of land owned and occupied for centuries by Muslims, was a huge, and unforgivable breach of justice and peace. Israel the place should be closed up, as it will someday be when the money and water runs out. Until that time it is a nest where the bird of hate lays eggs of violence. It is Jewish hell for the people of Palestine.

[leftneckredwing]

bunny wrote: Margo wrote:
Talking??...Never going to happen. The ultimate desire for Hamas and Hezbollah is for Israel to blown off the map.

That makes sense, considering that both Hamas & Hexbollah were created to combat the IDF & Israeli Agressions.

it's amazing what 40 years of tyranny will cause

Margo wrote: They will never recognize Israel's right to exist.

Indirectly, they already have.

Margo wrote: Israel has made far more concessions, tolerated far more hate in the past 60 some years to back down.

Mod edit. Do not engage in personal insults. It is against forum rules.

LNRW


Margo wrote: I predict they'll all eventually kill themselves and drag us down with them if they can.

How would they do this, smartass?

Check you PMS.

[Margo]

Fido wrote: Margo wrote: Kamel wrote: This right here will solve the Isreal Palestine problem. Both sides need to STFU, Isreal needs to recognise Palestine as a soverign nation, no if's and's or but's, Hamas/Hizbu'llah need to stop spreading the death to this and that propaganda, Both need to talk it out, using words not bullets to get their message across, in an open forum so the entire world can hear each individual voice, and they both need to get along with each other and come to some goddamned understanding. This sh*t's been going on for what? 40-60 f*cking years? Come on people, WTF?!

Talking??...Never going to happen. The ultimate desire for Hamas and Hezbollah is for Israel to blown off the map. They will never recognize Israel's right to exist. Israel has made far more concessions, tolerated far more hate in the past 60 some years to back down. I predict they'll all eventually kill themselves and drag us down with them if they can.

No one any where is disputing with Israel's right to exist, and this is certainly true of Muslims. But Israel is not a place, but a nation of people. Carving Israel the place out of Palestine, out of land owned and occupied for centuries by Muslims, was a huge, and unforgivable breach of justice and peace. Israel the place should be closed up, as it will someday be when the money and water runs out. Until that time it is a nest where the bird of hate lays eggs of violence. It is Jewish hell for the people of Palestine.

Nice try.

[Margo]

Fido wrote: Margo wrote: The culture of hatred and lack of value towards human life is so indoctrinated into these people from birth, that I wasn't surprised by this latest cowardly act. Sickening.

Have you had enough blood today? Do you ever think: Some day I am going to get sick of death, and pain, and hopelessness. Some day I am going to quite justifying my own death by wishing it for others. Some day I am going to celebrate every human soul even if they do not because I can see the touch of God in all the beautiful eyes.
Hate must be like the force of gravity because when people quit resisting it they fall into it. When you get sick of your own personal hell of hate; don't forget to ask for a line.

Why are you telling me this? Tell Hamas, tell Hezbollah, tell Al Quaida, tell the Sunnis, tell the Shiites, tell the Jews. I'm merely saying I find the whole thing sickening. This hatred goes back thousans of years. It' ingrained into these people. It's tribal, generational. It's the lack of wanting to move forward and improve their lives by learning how to live in peace, how to compromise, how to forgive.

[Margo]

bunny wrote: Margo wrote:
Talking??...Never going to happen. The ultimate desire for Hamas and Hezbollah is for Israel to blown off the map.

That makes sense, considering that both Hamas & Hexbollah were created to combat the IDF & Israeli Agressions.

it's amazing what 40 years of tyranny will cause

Margo wrote: They will never recognize Israel's right to exist.

Indirectly, they already have.

Margo wrote: Israel has made far more concessions, tolerated far more hate in the past 60 some years to back down.

Mod edit. Do not engage in personal insults. It is against forum rules.

LNRW


Margo wrote: I predict they'll all eventually kill themselves and drag us down with them if they can.

How would they do this, smartass?

No wonder you've been suspended. :tsk:

[Margo]

Kamel wrote: Peace talks have happened before. That guy Sadat, he made a peace treaty that is still honored today by Syria. Notice there was no invasion. I'm getting tired of this crap. I personally think the leaders of all the hizbu'llahs, and martyr groups, as well as the leaders of Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and possibly Iran, need to be kidnapped and placed in a room. The only way they can leave is if they can all come to the agreement that they can stop killing each other. If they f*ck that up, they get a bullet in the head for non-compliance as an example to the others.

And look what they did to Sadat. Yes, it would be nice if these people could figure out how to live with each instead of killing each other. I honestly believe that the people in that region don't want it bad enough. IF they did they would make it happen. They aren't.

[Fido]

Margo wrote: Fido wrote: Margo wrote: The culture of hatred and lack of value towards human life is so indoctrinated into these people from birth, that I wasn't surprised by this latest cowardly act. Sickening.

Have you had enough blood today? Do you ever think: Some day I am going to get sick of death, and pain, and hopelessness. Some day I am going to quite justifying my own death by wishing it for others. Some day I am going to celebrate every human soul even if they do not because I can see the touch of God in all the beautiful eyes.
Hate must be like the force of gravity because when people quit resisting it they fall into it. When you get sick of your own personal hell of hate; don't forget to ask for a line.

Why are you telling me this? Tell Hamas, tell Hezbollah, tell Al Quaida, tell the Sunnis, tell the Shiites, tell the Jews. I'm merely saying I find the whole thing sickening. This hatred goes back thousans of years. It' ingrained into these people. It's tribal, generational. It's the lack of wanting to move forward and improve their lives by learning how to live in peace, how to compromise, how to forgive.

You are absolutely right. Some of these people have no word for compromise and perhaps have many for make a deal. They are all republicans. That is why when they come here they do so well. They understand business. They know how to make a buck. But, if you close up a land like Palestine and hold the people hostage to their need for food and sanitation and water you can squeeze almost any amount of hate out of them. They know they have an absolute right to justice. We all do. There is no compromise of an absolute, and to ask for that when the need to ask is built on the foundation of Israel is obscene.

The Jews have forfeited their right to the place by their inability to make a deal, and make peace. They do not want peace, but only as much peace as they need, and enough war to justify land grabs. They are playing a dangerous game in a dangerous world, egging it on, and building it up to a conflagration. This is unnecessary. If the Jews have some right to the place then lay it on the table. For them to take it, and for us to help them hold it is an invitation to violence. And it has nothing to do with lack of compromise on the part of Arabs. The lack of compromise has been entirely with the Jews in demanding the state to begin with. It should never have happened.

[Margo]

Fido wrote: Margo wrote: Fido wrote: Margo wrote: The culture of hatred and lack of value towards human life is so indoctrinated into these people from birth, that I wasn't surprised by this latest cowardly act. Sickening.

Have you had enough blood today? Do you ever think: Some day I am going to get sick of death, and pain, and hopelessness. Some day I am going to quite justifying my own death by wishing it for others. Some day I am going to celebrate every human soul even if they do not because I can see the touch of God in all the beautiful eyes.
Hate must be like the force of gravity because when people quit resisting it they fall into it. When you get sick of your own personal hell of hate; don't forget to ask for a line.

Why are you telling me this? Tell Hamas, tell Hezbollah, tell Al Quaida, tell the Sunnis, tell the Shiites, tell the Jews. I'm merely saying I find the whole thing sickening. This hatred goes back thousans of years. It' ingrained into these people. It's tribal, generational. It's the lack of wanting to move forward and improve their lives by learning how to live in peace, how to compromise, how to forgive.

You are absolutely right. Some of these people have no word for compromise and perhaps have many for make a deal. They are all republicans. That is why when they come here they do so well. They understand business. They know how to make a buck. But, if you close up a land like Palestine and hold the people hostage to their need for food and sanitation and water you can squeeze almost any amount of hate out of them. They know they have an absolute right to justice. We all do. There is no compromise of an absolute, and to ask for that when the need to ask is built on the foundation of Israel is obscene.

The Jews have forfeited their right to the place by their inability to make a deal, and make peace. They do not want peace, but only as much peace as they need, and enough war to justify land grabs. They are playing a dangerous game in a dangerous world, egging it on, and building it up to a conflagration. This is unnecessary. If the Jews have some right to the place then lay it on the table. For them to take it, and for us to help them hold it is an invitation to violence. And it has nothing to do with lack of compromise on the part of Arabs. The lack of compromise has been entirely with the Jews in demanding the state to begin with. It should never have happened.

They are all republicans.

Really? How do you know that?

If the Jews have some right to the place then lay it on the table.

Ok.
I believe the Jews were there first based on extensive evidence of artifacts and archives such as; pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in remarkable language similar to what is found today on the Israeli street. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years. Another point to be made is for over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity.
Israel is a prime example of Jewish continuity - meaning they have had the same language, have lived on the same land, has the same name and worships the same God they did 3000 years ago.
I'd also like to point out the significant discovery of the Ugaritic archives which connects Canaanite religious beliefs to biblical Hebrew literature.

As for the Palestinians, they have no Palestinian language all their own, no culture distinct from any of the other Arab cultures and there was never a land known as Palestine and goverened by Palestinians, meaning there is no evidence to distinguish the Palestinians from any other Arab group. Palestine was never a seperate nation.

[Fido]

Margo wrote: Fido wrote: Margo wrote: Fido wrote: Margo wrote: The culture of hatred and lack of value towards human life is so indoctrinated into these people from birth, that I wasn't surprised by this latest cowardly act. Sickening.

Have you had enough blood today? Do you ever think: Some day I am going to get sick of death, and pain, and hopelessness. Some day I am going to quite justifying my own death by wishing it for others. Some day I am going to celebrate every human soul even if they do not because I can see the touch of God in all the beautiful eyes.
Hate must be like the force of gravity because when people quit resisting it they fall into it. When you get sick of your own personal hell of hate; don't forget to ask for a line.

Why are you telling me this? Tell Hamas, tell Hezbollah, tell Al Quaida, tell the Sunnis, tell the Shiites, tell the Jews. I'm merely saying I find the whole thing sickening. This hatred goes back thousans of years. It' ingrained into these people. It's tribal, generational. It's the lack of wanting to move forward and improve their lives by learning how to live in peace, how to compromise, how to forgive.

You are absolutely right. Some of these people have no word for compromise and perhaps have many for make a deal. They are all republicans. That is why when they come here they do so well. They understand business. They know how to make a buck. But, if you close up a land like Palestine and hold the people hostage to their need for food and sanitation and water you can squeeze almost any amount of hate out of them. They know they have an absolute right to justice. We all do. There is no compromise of an absolute, and to ask for that when the need to ask is built on the foundation of Israel is obscene.

The Jews have forfeited their right to the place by their inability to make a deal, and make peace. They do not want peace, but only as much peace as they need, and enough war to justify land grabs. They are playing a dangerous game in a dangerous world, egging it on, and building it up to a conflagration. This is unnecessary. If the Jews have some right to the place then lay it on the table. For them to take it, and for us to help them hold it is an invitation to violence. And it has nothing to do with lack of compromise on the part of Arabs. The lack of compromise has been entirely with the Jews in demanding the state to begin with. It should never have happened.

They are all republicans.

Really? How do you know that?

If the Jews have some right to the place then lay it on the table.

Ok.
I believe the Jews were there first based on extensive evidence of artifacts and archives such as; pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in remarkable language similar to what is found today on the Israeli street. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years. Another point to be made is for over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity.
Israel is a prime example of Jewish continuity - meaning they have had the same language, have lived on the same land, has the same name and worships the same God they did 3000 years ago.
I'd also like to point out the significant discovery of the Ugaritic archives which connects Canaanite religious beliefs to biblical Hebrew literature.

As for the Palestinians, they have no Palestinian language all their own, no culture distinct from any of the other Arab cultures and there was never a land known as Palestine and goverened by Palestinians, meaning there is no evidence to distinguish the Palestinians from any other Arab group. Palestine was never a seperate nation.


I know they are republicans because they are always in business. They are not crooks, and are not laborers. They are middle class business men the meat and potatoes of the republican party.

Next, if you look at the language of both of my peoples it comes from Northern India, and even the planes and steps Northerly and Easterly yet. If you look at some of the traces of my people you could cut a path through Iran, land of the Aryans, and Asia Minor, North of Greece, through the Balkans, through Germany and Gaul, I mean France. Paul's letter to the Galatians was to people like some of mine, though in Asia Minor rather than Ireland. Now, would it not be presumptuous of me to go and claim lands my relatives and fore fathers were driven from, or sold dear?

I think you would find that there is a Jewish culture, and even a Jewish type of appearance, but there is no distinct Jewish race. They are very little of Semites and very much of where ever they resided around the Mediterranean Sea. These guys mixed up their genes even while over breeding in some locations. I have seen text books full of genetic diseases typical of diaspora Jews. But where given a chance they kept the culture intact while breeding through slaves, servants, and converts. So, two thousand years almost after being kicked from the region they go back, kick Palestinians, extant Jewish populations, and even extant Christians out of their way. Do they have the right? If so we have all got rights in different places from where we reside. Migration has been the story of mankind. Where do we not all have former homes? In the time of Christ, the Jews made war upon the Samaritan who were Jews practicing Judaism as they had always practiced it. Back come the Jews from Babylon with an entrenched and officially sanctioned priesthood and a new set of laws. There is no wonder the people cried when this found book of laws was read to them. Today it is the same. The Jews come home and throw the place into turmoil. I do not think they have the right, and if they do we do not have the obligation to support them in their criminal behavior.

[Margo]

Fido, would you mind clarifying for me exactly who it is that you claim are all republicans? And just for the record...republicans are men, women, protestants, catholics, Jews, atheists,

also, when you say "my people". who would that be?

You asked me to explain why I think Jews have a right to the land called Israel. I answered your question citing evidence to back up my argument. However, I don't believe you offered any evidence to support your claim. You're offering opinions based on what?

[Fido]

Margo wrote: Fido, would you mind clarifying for me exactly who it is that you claim are all republicans? And just for the record...republicans are men, women, protestants, catholics, Jews, atheists,

also, when you say "my people". who would that be?

You asked me to explain why I think Jews have a right to the land called Israel. I answered your question citing evidence to back up my argument. However, I don't believe you offered any evidence to support your claim. You're offering opinions based on what?

I did not come to this forum out of the desire to write a history book. If that were my desire I would begin by gettin college edufied. But I have some books, and I find them informative. As I have already mentioned in a history thread, and I don't believe it has been challenged, the Jews in Genesis have a claim on Israel older than that mentioned by you. Specifically, that would be the grave of Sara, bought over the objections and protestations of its owner. All the genocide practiced on the residents after the exodus was after the fact of this one purchase.

So, Let me offer you a couple of books which detail in some regard, and trace through some examples of language the path of the Aryans. Our Oriental Heritage by Will Durant outlines in brief the links of Indo European with German, Latin, Greek; and you know, perhaps what part these play in English. Henri Hubert in a beautiful and well thought out work called The Rise of the Celt, also did the same in more recent times, showing how German place names were often Celtic in origin, and also drew these back en gross to the indo European, where some names like 'mother' have remained stable for thousands of years. I have personally seen artifacts of great beauty thought to be Celtic found through areas of North of Greece, and you know of the Gallic wars fought by Caesar. Any good annotated Bible should have information on Paul's letter to the Galatians, which, if I remember correctly, Hubert, among others has said spoke Gallic. You might also be aware of Archaeological evidence even up into China of tall, white skinned, reddish haired, mummies dressed in plaid. Naturally, the Chinese are reticent about allowing these bodies to be genetically tested out of the fear of giving anyone a claim on their territory.
But what is the meaning of these facts? Do people long departed from a corner of the world have any claim on it? I would first ask: Who is stopping anyone from going anywhere so long as they live in peace? The Jews were not prohibited by the Emir Faisal from living in Palestine or from having their own schools and institutions. But he was absolutely right that it was geographical a part of transjordan. Where there are no natural boundaries warfare and disputes must be constant. I got to go vote. Democratic.
P.S. I also have a good book, though not before me, called marriage and kinship in Ancient Arabia which you might find interesting reading, as it references Bible traditions to help explain much of Arabic tradition.