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[Hank Rearden]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6102584.stm

Its such a shame he didn't live in a free nation where he would have the chance to protect himself. BB, I hope this never happens to you.

Quote: Stabbed City lawyer 'fought back'

Mr ap Rhys Pryce was attacked near his home
A City lawyer, who was stabbed to death outside a Tube station, may have fought back against his attackers, the Old Bailey has heard.
Tom ap Rhys Pryce died outside Kensal Green underground station, which was near his home, in January this year.

The prosecution told the court the 31-year-old was a proud man and "may well have taken them on".

Donnel Carty, 19, of Kensal Green, and Delano Brown, 18, of Sudbury Hill, both north-west London, deny murder.

Richard Horwell, QC, prosecuting, told the court the Cambridge graduate was on his way home when he was attacked, the motive for which was "greed".

Tom ap Rhys Pryce was a proud man and there is a real prospect that he did not submit to the robbers' demands

Prosecutor Richard Horwell, QC

"It did not matter to them that this man had worked hard for his position in life, that he had a promising career in the legal system ahead of him," he told the jury.

"All that was best in life was ahead of him but to them he was no more than a means to an end and they treated him accordingly.

"Tom ap Rhys Pryce was a proud man and there is a real prospect that he did not submit to the demands of the robbers.

"He may well have taken them on and if he did, the robbers rose to the challenge."

Mr Horwell said at least one knife was used and Mr ap Rhys Pryce was stabbed in the hip and twice in the chest.

Murder trail

He said a trail of blood and belongings along Bathurst Gardens suggested Mr ap Rhys Pryce was trying to get to his home as the attack continued.

Jurors were told the scene seemed to indicate the attack began outside number 56, and Mr ap Rhys Pryce then collapsed further down the road, only feet away from the house he shared with his fiancee.

Mr Horwell told the court the attackers took an Oyster card travel pass, bank cards, driving licence and mobile phone from the victim.

He said the two defendants were part of the gang. On the same night, another man was attacked on another Tube train near Paddington, west London, Mr Horwell said.

He was stabbed in the thigh and had his wallet containing £20 taken from him, said Mr Horwell.

[micfranklin]

To the anti-gunners:

Look at how much "good" gun control has done in the UK. Yeah, it helped out a lot I see :roll:

[Hank Rearden]

micfranklin wrote: To the anti-gunners:

Look at how much "good" gun control has done in the UK. Yeah, it helped out a lot I see :roll:

Well, it served the intended purpose, the bad guys wern't hurt.

[wyldejackyl]

They should ban knives..had no one been able to get them legally, he might still be alive. :roll:

[micfranklin]

Hank Rearden wrote: micfranklin wrote: To the anti-gunners:

Look at how much "good" gun control has done in the UK. Yeah, it helped out a lot I see :roll:

Well, it served the intended purpose, the bad guys wern't hurt.

No. Only the good law-abiding citizen suffers and the bad guy doesn't get harmed.

[Lucky Luke]

Hank Rearden wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6102584.stm

Its such a shame he didn't live in a free nation where he would have the chance to protect himself. BB, I hope this never happens to you.

Quote: Stabbed City lawyer 'fought back'

Mr ap Rhys Pryce was attacked near his home
A City lawyer, who was stabbed to death outside a Tube station, may have fought back against his attackers, the Old Bailey has heard.
Tom ap Rhys Pryce died outside Kensal Green underground station, which was near his home, in January this year.

The prosecution told the court the 31-year-old was a proud man and "may well have taken them on".

Donnel Carty, 19, of Kensal Green, and Delano Brown, 18, of Sudbury Hill, both north-west London, deny murder.

Richard Horwell, QC, prosecuting, told the court the Cambridge graduate was on his way home when he was attacked, the motive for which was "greed".

Tom ap Rhys Pryce was a proud man and there is a real prospect that he did not submit to the robbers' demands

Prosecutor Richard Horwell, QC

"It did not matter to them that this man had worked hard for his position in life, that he had a promising career in the legal system ahead of him," he told the jury.

"All that was best in life was ahead of him but to them he was no more than a means to an end and they treated him accordingly.

"Tom ap Rhys Pryce was a proud man and there is a real prospect that he did not submit to the demands of the robbers.

"He may well have taken them on and if he did, the robbers rose to the challenge."

Mr Horwell said at least one knife was used and Mr ap Rhys Pryce was stabbed in the hip and twice in the chest.

Murder trail

He said a trail of blood and belongings along Bathurst Gardens suggested Mr ap Rhys Pryce was trying to get to his home as the attack continued.

Jurors were told the scene seemed to indicate the attack began outside number 56, and Mr ap Rhys Pryce then collapsed further down the road, only feet away from the house he shared with his fiancee.

Mr Horwell told the court the attackers took an Oyster card travel pass, bank cards, driving licence and mobile phone from the victim.

He said the two defendants were part of the gang. On the same night, another man was attacked on another Tube train near Paddington, west London, Mr Horwell said.

He was stabbed in the thigh and had his wallet containing £20 taken from him, said Mr Horwell.



I think you have the same number of stabbings than we have.

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[britboy]

Hank Rearden wrote: micfranklin wrote: To the anti-gunners:

Look at how much "good" gun control has done in the UK. Yeah, it helped out a lot I see :roll:

Well, it served the intended purpose, the bad guys wern't hurt.

This whole thread is just too silly. Sorry, can you hunt down the names of a few shootings victims in the US and post the link -- I can't be bothered.

[Free Thinkr]

wyldejackyl wrote: They should ban knives..had no one been able to get them legally, he might still be alive. :roll:
Actually, they did ban knives. I know, it sounds like a joke, but they actually did. I suspect fists may be next.

[britboy]

Free Thinkr wrote: wyldejackyl wrote: They should ban knives..had no one been able to get them legally, he might still be alive. :roll:
Actually, they did ban knives. I know, it sounds like a joke, but they actually did. I suspect fists may be next.

We banned some knives. Frankly I agree. I do not want doped up 18 year old kids that arn't quite criminals yet legally carrying 18" hunting knives round with them as they lout around, drink beer, and try and pick fights with each other and others.

And frankly I don't give a damn how much they want to 'make sticks sharp' and 'chop firewood for grandma' or whatever .. get over it.

Note - we didn't ban steak knives, butter knives, any kind of 'every day use' knives (we don't live in bear country!). We banned knives that were only really any use for sticking people with or threatening to do so with..

[micfranklin]

britboy wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: wyldejackyl wrote: They should ban knives..had no one been able to get them legally, he might still be alive. :roll:
Actually, they did ban knives. I know, it sounds like a joke, but they actually did. I suspect fists may be next.

We banned some knives. Frankly I agree. I do not want doped up 18 year old kids that arn't quite criminals yet legally carrying 18" hunting knives round with them as they lout around, drink beer, and try and pick fights with each other and others.

And frankly I don't give a damn how much they want to 'make sticks sharp' and 'chop firewood for grandma' or whatever .. get over it.

Note - we didn't ban steak knives, butter knives, any kind of 'every day use' knives (we don't live in bear country!). We banned knives that were only really any use for sticking people with or threatening to do so with..

And what kind of knives would those be?

britboy wrote: This whole thread is just too silly. Sorry, can you hunt down the names of a few shootings victims in the US and post the link -- I can't be bothered

Did you, by any chance, happen to read any of what the previous posters have said?

[airo]

I'd feel more comfortable killing someone with a short blade than i would a nasty "GET THE f**k AWAY FROM ME" one.

Just my .02 as someone who has studied knife fighting.

Also, if you think a 12" blade is some how more lethal than a 4" one, or even a 1" one or a sturdy pen, you're sadly mistaken.

The logic behind knife control is about as sane as the logic behind gun control.

[mattman42]

britboy wrote: Hank Rearden wrote: micfranklin wrote: To the anti-gunners:

Look at how much "good" gun control has done in the UK. Yeah, it helped out a lot I see :roll:

Well, it served the intended purpose, the bad guys wern't hurt.

This whole thread is just too silly. Sorry, can you hunt down the names of a few shootings victims in the US and post the link -- I can't be bothered.

Here's a list of some shooting "victims".

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/opsd/

[Lucky Luke]

Still the American murder rate with a sharp object is just under 1 per 100,000 just like in Britain.

What make you think guys that gun control laws would reduce the number of murders with knives?

Does your washing machine cook your food as well as washing your clothes?

Hey, your washing machine is rubbish, I put a chicken in it and it came out raw!

Hey, those gun control laws are rubbish, you still have stabbing in the UK!
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[Hank Rearden]

Lucky Luke wrote: Still the American murder rate with a sharp object is just under 1 per 100,000 just like in Britain.

What make you think guys that gun control laws would reduce the number of murders with knives?

Does your washing machine cook your food as well as washing your clothes?

Hey, your washing machine is rubbish, I put a chicken in it and it came out raw!

Hey, those gun control laws are rubbish, you still have stabbing in the UK!
:-D
:-D

British gun control laws have done a great job of ensuring that criminals have a ready supply of defensless victims. Your ability to ignore the obvious is pretty impressive.

[wyldejackyl]

He aims to please. Even OUR criminals attack the Brits when they vacation here!

[mattman42]

Lucky Luke wrote: Still the American murder rate with a sharp object is just under 1 per 100,000 just like in Britain.

What make you think guys that gun control laws would reduce the number of murders with knives?

Does your washing machine cook your food as well as washing your clothes?

Hey, your washing machine is rubbish, I put a chicken in it and it came out raw!

Hey, those gun control laws are rubbish, you still have stabbing in the UK!
:-D
:-D

While you're absolutely correct about this (and I like the way you put it), I think the point that the pro-gun side is trying to make here is that had this man been legally armed (or even just armed), he would've had the upper hand in fending off his attackers. However, the laws made him defenseless.

[Lucky Luke]

Hank Rearden wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Still the American murder rate with a sharp object is just under 1 per 100,000 just like in Britain.

What make you think guys that gun control laws would reduce the number of murders with knives?

Does your washing machine cook your food as well as washing your clothes?

Hey, your washing machine is rubbish, I put a chicken in it and it came out raw!

Hey, those gun control laws are rubbish, you still have stabbing in the UK!
:-D
:-D

British gun control laws have done a great job of ensuring that criminals have a ready supply of defensless victims. Your ability to ignore the obvious is pretty impressive.

But there is no more victims than there were before Hank Rearden and America has 2 to 3 times more murder victims than here, how do you explain this?

Look at the number of murders with knives, it is the same rate in Britain and in America proving my point easily.

Where are those defenceless victims that you haven't got?
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[Lucky Luke]

mattman42 wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Still the American murder rate with a sharp object is just under 1 per 100,000 just like in Britain.

What make you think guys that gun control laws would reduce the number of murders with knives?

Does your washing machine cook your food as well as washing your clothes?

Hey, your washing machine is rubbish, I put a chicken in it and it came out raw!

Hey, those gun control laws are rubbish, you still have stabbing in the UK!
:-D
:-D

While you're absolutely correct about this (and I like the way you put it), I think the point that the pro-gun side is trying to make here is that had this man been legally armed (or even just armed), he would've had the upper hand in fending off his attackers. However, the laws made him defenseless.

If what you say was true it would be reflected in the rate of murder by stabbing Mattman42, why have we got a similar rate than you? Your theory doesn't add up unless if you have a knife culture that I don't know about.
It is clear, if British victims were defenceless against a murderer with a knife but Americans were not, it would reflect in the murder rate by stabbing.

Where are those defenceless victims that you haven't got?
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:-D

[Boneman]

Britain has never had a big murder problem, even when most guns were legal are murder rates were still far lower than the US's. The murder rate after our major gun control laws were passed stayed pretty much the same as before they were passed (sometimes even increasing). Pre-Dunblane we had lower murder/rape rates than you, which were falling, but post-Dunblane (and the handgun ban) the ratio of crimes involving handguns has increased quite a lot.

[private_citizen]

Hank Rearden wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6102584.stm

Its such a shame he didn't live in a free nation where he would have the chance to protect himself. BB, I hope this never happens to you.

Quote: Stabbed City lawyer 'fought back'

Mr ap Rhys Pryce was attacked near his home
A City lawyer, who was stabbed to death outside a Tube station, may have fought back against his attackers, the Old Bailey has heard.
Tom ap Rhys Pryce died outside Kensal Green underground station, which was near his home, in January this year.

The prosecution told the court the 31-year-old was a proud man and "may well have taken them on".

Donnel Carty, 19, of Kensal Green, and Delano Brown, 18, of Sudbury Hill, both north-west London, deny murder.

Richard Horwell, QC, prosecuting, told the court the Cambridge graduate was on his way home when he was attacked, the motive for which was "greed".

Tom ap Rhys Pryce was a proud man and there is a real prospect that he did not submit to the robbers' demands

Prosecutor Richard Horwell, QC

"It did not matter to them that this man had worked hard for his position in life, that he had a promising career in the legal system ahead of him," he told the jury.

"All that was best in life was ahead of him but to them he was no more than a means to an end and they treated him accordingly.

"Tom ap Rhys Pryce was a proud man and there is a real prospect that he did not submit to the demands of the robbers.

"He may well have taken them on and if he did, the robbers rose to the challenge."

Mr Horwell said at least one knife was used and Mr ap Rhys Pryce was stabbed in the hip and twice in the chest.

Murder trail

He said a trail of blood and belongings along Bathurst Gardens suggested Mr ap Rhys Pryce was trying to get to his home as the attack continued.

Jurors were told the scene seemed to indicate the attack began outside number 56, and Mr ap Rhys Pryce then collapsed further down the road, only feet away from the house he shared with his fiancee.

Mr Horwell told the court the attackers took an Oyster card travel pass, bank cards, driving licence and mobile phone from the victim.

He said the two defendants were part of the gang. On the same night, another man was attacked on another Tube train near Paddington, west London, Mr Horwell said.

He was stabbed in the thigh and had his wallet containing £20 taken from him, said Mr Horwell.



We had better demand all Brits surrender their Ginsu knives immediately.