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[cap'n queasy]

What kind of idiot thinks a non-violent military is a satisfactory goal to shoot for?

Armies are specifically designed to be mass killing machines.

There has never been a "peaceful" army.

:lol:

BTW European armies killed more Native Americans than the US army ever did.

The British wiped out the advanced Algonquin culture that inhabited the East Coast before the US even existed. And that was probably 3/4 of the native American population in US territory. The rest of the US territory was sparsly populated.

The French spread disease and alcoholism all over the Mississippi river basin and Canada along their trade routes.

And the Spanish conquered and enslaved the entire population of Central and South American.

So Europeans have exactly no reason to count themselves any better than the US on the account of genocide among Native Americans. They started it several centuries before the US even existed.

The Russians destroyed the cultures of the Pacific Northwest.

[The Newb]

superskippy wrote: I was making a statement in general not the specefic, this isnt an isolated comment it is sentiment I have heard before regardless of the linking event claimed.

ok i misunderstood

[thundertaker]

cap'n queasy wrote: :

BTW European armies killed more Native Americans than the US army ever did.

The British wiped out the advanced Algonquin culture that inhabited the East Coast before the US even existed. And that was probably 3/4 of the native American population in US territory. The rest of the US territory was sparsly populated.


They weren't doing this in the 19th century, when people should have known better.
Besides, you can bet your ass that most of the descendents of the British and other European settler's responsible are Americans now. The Ancestors of people living over here now are by and large people who stayed in their own homeland minding their own business.

Americans have no business criticising European colonialism when quite frankly, they were cut from the same cloth and responsible for imperial atrocities of their own against the Native Americans, Phillipines, Cuba, Mexico, Hawaii etc. Unless of course they're prepared to condemn these shameful chapters in America's past as well........

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: Americans have no business criticising European colonialism

That sword cuts both ways, friend. :P

[mendosan]

Quote: They weren't doing this in the 19th century, when people should have known better.
Besides, you can bet your ass that most of the descendents of the British and other European settler's responsible are Americans now. The Ancestors of people living over here now are by and large people who stayed in their own homeland minding their own business.

Or decended from Scandos that displaced the ancient Britons.

[thundertaker]

mendosan wrote: Quote: They weren't doing this in the 19th century, when people should have known better.
Besides, you can bet your ass that most of the descendents of the British and other European settler's responsible are Americans now. The Ancestors of people living over here now are by and large people who stayed in their own homeland minding their own business.

Or decended from Scandos that displaced the ancient Britons.

It's times like this when I'm glad I can say I am of Cornish blood........ :shifty:

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: The Ancestors of people living over here now are by and large people who stayed in their own homeland minding their own business.

You mean concentrating on squeezing the colonies they didn't lose to finance the Seven Years War, and the Napoleonic Wars.

Which were pretty much global conflicts.

[thundertaker]

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: The Ancestors of people living over here now are by and large people who stayed in their own homeland minding their own business.

You mean concentrating on squeezing the colonies they didn't lose to finance the Seven Years War, and the Napoleonic Wars.


The American Colonies were taxed extremely lightly compared to the UK. The colonists' grievance was largely over a technicality as to whether the UK Parliament had the 'right' to raise taxes without the consent of the colonial legislatures, in accordance with the English Bill of Rights.
For our part, it seemed only fair that the colonies helped to defray some of the costs for fighting the seven years war when they were the primary beneficiaries of the conflict, which eliminated any serious military threat to the colonies from the French and the Natives, but the colonists got all pissy over a mere technicallity, when they were already the freeist and most lightly taxed people in the world at that time.......

[cap'n queasy]

thundertaker wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: The Ancestors of people living over here now are by and large people who stayed in their own homeland minding their own business.

You mean concentrating on squeezing the colonies they didn't lose to finance the Seven Years War, and the Napoleonic Wars.


The American Colonies were taxed extremely lightly compared to the UK. The colonists' grievance was largely over a technicality as to whether the UK Parliament had the 'right' to raise taxes without the consent of the colonial legislatures, in accordance with the English Bill of Rights.
For our part, it seemed only fair that the colonies helped to defray some of the costs for fighting the seven years war when they were the primary beneficiaries of the conflict, which eliminated any serious military threat to the colonies from the French and the Natives, but the colonists got all pissy over a mere technicallity, when they were already the freeist and most lightly taxed people in the world at that time.......

What are they putting in the water over there?

For one thing, the US wasn't even a colony anymore, so obviously I am talking about Africa, Asia, South America, Australia, and just about everything else.

For another thing, Americans couldn't even make anything for themselves out of metal THEY extracted because it all had to be sent to Britain. We had to use wooden shovels right next to some of the richest iron mines in the world.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

You didn't get kicked out of the states just because Americans were ungrateful.

I can't believe anyone thinks that. :lol:

[Fido]

cap'n queasy wrote: thundertaker wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: The Ancestors of people living over here now are by and large people who stayed in their own homeland minding their own business.

You mean concentrating on squeezing the colonies they didn't lose to finance the Seven Years War, and the Napoleonic Wars.


The American Colonies were taxed extremely lightly compared to the UK. The colonists' grievance was largely over a technicality as to whether the UK Parliament had the 'right' to raise taxes without the consent of the colonial legislatures, in accordance with the English Bill of Rights.
For our part, it seemed only fair that the colonies helped to defray some of the costs for fighting the seven years war when they were the primary beneficiaries of the conflict, which eliminated any serious military threat to the colonies from the French and the Natives, but the colonists got all pissy over a mere technicallity, when they were already the freeist and most lightly taxed people in the world at that time.......

What are they putting in the water over there?

For one thing, the US wasn't even a colony anymore, so obviously I am talking about Africa, Asia, South America, Australia, and just about everything else.

For another thing, Americans couldn't even make anything for themselves out of metal THEY extracted because it all had to be sent to Britain. We had to use wooden shovels right next to some of the richest iron mines in the world.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

You didn't get kicked out of the states just because Americans were ungrateful.

I can't believe anyone thinks that. :lol:

Thunder taker is right is one respect. We were lightly taxed. We are taxed at a much higher rate today, and have less consent than ever in the formation of our laws. We just saw our chances and we took um.

[DSwain]

thundertaker wrote: mendosan wrote: Quote: They weren't doing this in the 19th century, when people should have known better.
Besides, you can bet your ass that most of the descendents of the British and other European settler's responsible are Americans now. The Ancestors of people living over here now are by and large people who stayed in their own homeland minding their own business.

Or decended from Scandos that displaced the ancient Britons.

It's times like this when I'm glad I can say I am of Cornish blood........ :shifty:

Just so long as you don't start calling for Cornish independence, Thunder; the Army is overstretched enough without having to deploy a battlegroup to Truro.