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[ilovebushnotdick]

Started by President Bush to whoom Kerrey's "uneducated people end up stuck in Iraq" comment was originally directed, top neocons quickly followed the boat pinning the comment on our men serving oversees and away from themselves.

Kerry immediately made it clear to whom his comment was intedned, and later apologized to any servicemen and women in uniform who may have been offended as a result of neocon propaganda using an edited version of his statement.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13018908/

[Fido]

It is a shame to be thought of as kicking men with the Government's official foot up their arses already. Too much is still too much. Maybe every one should just leave them there until they ask to be relieved. If you bring them home too soon they will just be mad for the rest of their lives that we did not let them finish the job. If you leave them there too long they won't fit in any where, and will have to be lifers. It would be nice if all they had to do was get a hall pass and come home when they have had enough, and for the rest all giddy up and gung ho, when they start to feel like Custer at the Greasy Grass they can come home too.

[Snake]

What Kerry said, and what he allegedly meant to say were childish. He should have just kept his F'ing mouth shut.

[CountryGuy]

Kerry apologized after saying he wouldn't apologize for something he felt should be apologized for :lol:

He made a stupid, stupid comment based on a botched attempt at humor. It shouldn't damn him. However, some here are being a bit too forgiving for him, when the same comment by Bush would have damned him forever.

How about equal treatment, eh?

[Refrozen Seabass]

CountryGuy wrote: Kerry apologized after saying he wouldn't apologize for something he felt should be apologized for :lol:

He made a stupid, stupid comment based on a botched attempt at humor. It shouldn't damn him. However, some here are being a bit too forgiving for him, when the same comment by Bush would have damned him forever.

How about equal treatment, eh?

No. George W. Bush lost the benefit of any doubt there is long, long ago. I wouldn't believe him if he said water was wet.

[johnflesh]

Refrozen Seabass wrote: CountryGuy wrote: Kerry apologized after saying he wouldn't apologize for something he felt should be apologized for :lol:

He made a stupid, stupid comment based on a botched attempt at humor. It shouldn't damn him. However, some here are being a bit too forgiving for him, when the same comment by Bush would have damned him forever.

How about equal treatment, eh?

No. George W. Bush lost the benefit of any doubt there is long, long ago. I wouldn't believe him if he said water was wet.

LOL. Too funny, sad but true.

As for Kerry, every time that man opens his mouth garbage falls out and on to the floor.

[johnflesh]

Since this Kerry thing has been blown up to something it isn't I'd like to remind people of one thing.

We have been lied to, outright, by the current administration, who have admitted to some of the lies. Why aren't we holding the accountable as well.

Kerry, a man with very little power as it is, screws up a joke... ok the man spouts garbage.

But the current administration has outright lied.

"Wait what was that democrat saying again?"

It is really awesome that we hold everyone accountable.

[californian conservative]

johnflesh wrote: Since this Kerry thing has been blown up to something it isn't I'd like to remind people of one thing.

We have been lied to, outright, by the current administration, who have admitted to some of the lies. Why aren't we holding the accountable as well.

Kerry, a man with very little power as it is, screws up a joke... ok the man spouts garbage.

But the current administration has outright lied.

"Wait what was that democrat saying again?"

It is really awesome that we hold everyone accountable.

We do hold them accountable. Ever read the newspaper? I see tons of articles. Both sides are guilty of blowing someones comments out of proportion. Anyone who says otherwise is full of bullsh*t

[TANSTAAFL]

Kamel wrote: What Kerry said, and what he allegedly meant to say were childish. He should have just kept his F'ing mouth shut.

Post of the day.

[RandomPrecision06]

Kamel wrote: What Kerry said, and what he allegedly meant to say were childish. He should have just kept his F'ing mouth shut.

Ah, who cares? I don't think it was that big of a deal even if he meant to say what Bush thinks he did. Little BS remarks like that get so blown out of proportion. It's not just Kerry's remark that could be called childish. This whole country has become nothing but a bunch of sniveling, spoiled little brats. Self-centered, self-serving, getting all offended over the smallest slight (real or perceived). You'd think we had nothing better to do than to sit around and bicker over meaningless BS. And just so ya know, I'm not excluding myself from those remarks. I'm a product of this society.

Anyway, what Kerry said (if he actually meant it towards the troops) wasn't the worst thing anybody has ever said about them and it certainly isn't the worst thing anyone ever will say. I applaud him for saying whatever was on his mind, regardless of who it was about. I don't really care much for Kerry but I don't care what he says either.

[Dennis]

Here's a post from Ubikk that I would like to share. I think it says it all:

Ubikk wrote: A friend of mine works for a political consulting firm in Washington that is hired by various interest groups. I was talking to him about this and he explained that the Kerry story is an example of a tactic that these campaign consulting firms and "Think Tanks" use. He had a name for it that escapes me, "Traffic Jamming", I think. They find stories like this Kerry thing, or about some kook in a podunk town who got mad about a Christmas display, and they immediately give it a huge push into the media, via weblogs, news releases, newswires, email lists, and faxes to people like Rush Limbaugh. Not to mention the "talking points" lists.

The idea of this "traffic jamming" (if that's the correct term) is the hope that if a story takes hold that it will consume time in the media that might otherwise be used to report news that is unfavorable to a particular interest, (say the republican party in the 'Kerry Joke' case). They even rate the success of jam by looking at things like how many segments they get on TV news talk/commentary shows, like the Sunday morning roundtables and cable commentary shows.

Both parties use this, except that the republicans have a lot more "consultant" money that they funnel into this. This tactic was originally came into it's own as a political force in the early 90s under the guidance of PACs and "Think-Tanks" like GOPAC, Newt Ginghriches brain-child, Triad, and PNAC.

It works, as we can all see. I wish some more liberal groups would get funding to do this kind of thing.

As I've been saying all along...what happened to Kerry is nothing more than opposition party (Republican) rhetoric and spin.

[no.1]

RandomPrecision06 wrote: Kamel wrote: What Kerry said, and what he allegedly meant to say were childish. He should have just kept his F'ing mouth shut.

Ah, who cares? I don't think it was that big of a deal even if he meant to say what Bush thinks he did. Little BS remarks like that get so blown out of proportion. It's not just Kerry's remark that could be called childish. This whole country has become nothing but a bunch of sniveling, spoiled little brats. Self-centered, self-serving, getting all offended over the smallest slight (real or perceived). You'd think we had nothing better to do than to sit around and bicker over meaningless BS. And just so ya know, I'm not excluding myself from those remarks. I'm a product of this society.

Anyway, what Kerry said (if he actually meant it towards the troops) wasn't the worst thing anybody has ever said about them and it certainly isn't the worst thing anyone ever will say. I applaud him for saying whatever was on his mind, regardless of who it was about. I don't really care much for Kerry but I don't care what he says either.

I agree.

[pikers]

Kamel wrote: What Kerry said, and what he allegedly meant to say were childish. He should have just kept his F'ing mouth shut.

Kerry telegraphed to everyone the deep-seated views of the liberal elite in this nation. He fails to realize that the military (especially officers) are, as a whole, more educated than the lib "intellectuals" that he panders to.

*I placed intellectuals in quotes not to make fun of true intellectuals; rather to dismiss the idea that libs make up that group exclusively.

[ubikk]

ilovebushnotdick wrote: Started by President Bush to whoom Kerrey's "uneducated people end up stuck in Iraq" comment was originally directed, top neocons quickly followed the boat pinning the comment on our men serving oversees and away from themselves.

Kerry immediately made it clear to whom his comment was intedned, and later apologized to any servicemen and women in uniform who may have been offended as a result of neocon propaganda using an edited version of his statement.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13018908/

The republicans wasted a lot of energy on an issue that, according to multiple polls, had a neglibible effect on voters' decisions. It has less effect than the Foley issue on republicans.

[no.1]

desperate times, desperate measures i guess.