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[Boneman]

OK, a little scenario for you. You have been sent to Washington D.C./ Cali/ Johannesburg/ Baghdad/ Glasgow on a business trip. You know for a fact that the city you are visiting is the murder capital of its respective continent and that you will most likely be visiting some of the most deprived areas of the city (It seems like a pretty crap job I know). You also know that there are many, many muggers, rapists, gangs and murderers in this city, and the vast majority of them are armed, mostly with guns but some with knives. Your company is offering you a pistol to take with you on your visit (highly improbable I know) for self-protection, as the company cannot afford professional body guards. Assume that you have a rough understanding and experience with pistols. Also assume that pistols can be legally carried in each of these cities (which they can't in reality). Would you accept the firearm and carry it in a concealed holster, or do you believe the pistol would put you in even more danger (if that’s even possible)?
P.S. You cannot resign, as the company you are part of is actually the Mob.
P.S.S Britboy you've really set a trend with your scenarios!

[micfranklin]

Allow me to be the first to answer. Hell yeah I'd carry a pistol with me. If I'm in the murder capital of the US, it'd wouldn't be real smart to walk around with no weapon.

[private_citizen]

They will not reply, or if they do, they will not reply honestly.

[Wolverine]

Haven't you heard? Any personal company that offers you a pistol will shoot you.

[Snake]

Well, he is talking about the mob....

If the mob's giving me a pistol, it better be something good.

[Blinky]

Let me get this straight.
I work for the mafia. They have sent me to a city with a lot of murders. It will involve doing business in the slums of said city, which are rampant with armed gangs, and they will provide me with a pistol but no other mafia people to help me out? They'll just let me conduct mob business and fend for myself?

Thats is the stupidest hypothetical ever posted on PCF. Is that how hard you have to try to force ant-gunners to admit they'd need a gun?


I've got a hypothetical: You are told by the mob that you can exercise your right to have a firearm but have every friend you've ever had and every member of your family slaughtered. Or your family and friend's safety will be guaranteed for life if you simply choose not to own a gun. What do you do?
:lol: :lol:

[Snake]

I'd buy hella plane tickets....

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Blinky wrote:
I've got a hypothetical: You are told by the mob that you can exercise your right to have a firearm but have every friend you've ever had and every member of your family slaughtered. Or your family and friend's safety will be guaranteed for life if you simply choose not to own a gun. What do you do?
:lol: :lol:

Yes, finally you admit it is hypothetical.

[britboy]

Boneman wrote: OK, a little scenario for you. You have been sent to Washington D.C./ Cali/ Johannesburg/ Baghdad/ Glasgow on a business trip. You know for a fact that the city you are visiting is the murder capital of its respective continent and that you will most likely be visiting some of the most deprived areas of the city (It seems like a pretty crap job I know). You also know that there are many, many muggers, rapists, gangs and murderers in this city, and the vast majority of them are armed, mostly with guns but some with knives. Your company is offering you a pistol to take with you on your visit (highly improbable I know) for self-protection, as the company cannot afford professional body guards. Assume that you have a rough understanding and experience with pistols. Also assume that pistols can be legally carried in each of these cities (which they can't in reality). Would you accept the firearm and carry it in a concealed holster, or do you believe the pistol would put you in even more danger (if that’s even possible)?
P.S. You cannot resign, as the company you are part of is actually the Mob.
P.S.S Britboy you've really set a trend with your scenarios!

I've been to loads of nasty places in my life -- South Central LA, all around New York, Glasgow, Nasty places in London.

Of course I'd never want a pistol as I want the smallest chance of me being shot possible.

[micfranklin]

britboy wrote: Boneman wrote: OK, a little scenario for you. You have been sent to Washington D.C./ Cali/ Johannesburg/ Baghdad/ Glasgow on a business trip. You know for a fact that the city you are visiting is the murder capital of its respective continent and that you will most likely be visiting some of the most deprived areas of the city (It seems like a pretty crap job I know). You also know that there are many, many muggers, rapists, gangs and murderers in this city, and the vast majority of them are armed, mostly with guns but some with knives. Your company is offering you a pistol to take with you on your visit (highly improbable I know) for self-protection, as the company cannot afford professional body guards. Assume that you have a rough understanding and experience with pistols. Also assume that pistols can be legally carried in each of these cities (which they can't in reality). Would you accept the firearm and carry it in a concealed holster, or do you believe the pistol would put you in even more danger (if that’s even possible)?
P.S. You cannot resign, as the company you are part of is actually the Mob.
P.S.S Britboy you've really set a trend with your scenarios!

I've been to loads of nasty places in my life -- South Central LA, all around New York, Glasgow, Nasty places in London.

Of course I'd never want a pistol as I want the smallest chance of me being shot possible.

Then carry a pistol with you and the ones wanting to shoot you will think twice.

[wyldejackyl]

britboy wrote:

I've been to loads of nasty places in my life -- South Central LA, all around New York, Glasgow, Nasty places in London.

Of course I'd never want a pistol as I want the smallest chance of me being shot possible.

They'd be less likely to shoot at you if they expected return fire. Do you boat without a life jacket too?

[Boneman]

Blinky wrote: Let me get this straight.
I work for the mafia. They have sent me to a city with a lot of murders. It will involve doing business in the slums of said city, which are rampant with armed gangs, and they will provide me with a pistol but no other mafia people to help me out? They'll just let me conduct mob business and fend for myself?

Thats is the stupidest hypothetical ever posted on PCF. Is that how hard you have to try to force ant-gunners to admit they'd need a gun?


I've got a hypothetical: You are told by the mob that you can exercise your right to have a firearm but have every friend you've ever had and every member of your family slaughtered. Or your family and friend's safety will be guaranteed for life if you simply choose not to own a gun. What do you do?
:lol: :lol:

I woudn't say it was the silliest hypothetical scenario, the one about turning your eye into a gun that could kill people silently would be a bit siller. Although I admit, it is rather a silly scenario, except for the hundreds of millions of people that live in those sorts of cities. You havn't answered the scenario by the way.

[Boneman]

britboy wrote: Boneman wrote: OK, a little scenario for you. You have been sent to Washington D.C./ Cali/ Johannesburg/ Baghdad/ Glasgow on a business trip. You know for a fact that the city you are visiting is the murder capital of its respective continent and that you will most likely be visiting some of the most deprived areas of the city (It seems like a pretty crap job I know). You also know that there are many, many muggers, rapists, gangs and murderers in this city, and the vast majority of them are armed, mostly with guns but some with knives. Your company is offering you a pistol to take with you on your visit (highly improbable I know) for self-protection, as the company cannot afford professional body guards. Assume that you have a rough understanding and experience with pistols. Also assume that pistols can be legally carried in each of these cities (which they can't in reality). Would you accept the firearm and carry it in a concealed holster, or do you believe the pistol would put you in even more danger (if that’s even possible)?
P.S. You cannot resign, as the company you are part of is actually the Mob.
P.S.S Britboy you've really set a trend with your scenarios!

I've been to loads of nasty places in my life -- South Central LA, all around New York, Glasgow, Nasty places in London.

Of course I'd never want a pistol as I want the smallest chance of me being shot possible.

How would you carrying a concealed weapon increase your chances of being shot at? They can't magically know that your carrying a weapon. The gun is more there to defend yourself if you do get in a tricky situation. Or do you believe the best thing to do is try and be as non-violent as possible and let them do what they want? That strategy can work, but it probably woudn't be particularly reliablewith the well 'ard gangstas you are likley to meet in these cities.

[private_citizen]

Boneman wrote: britboy wrote: Boneman wrote: OK, a little scenario for you. You have been sent to Washington D.C./ Cali/ Johannesburg/ Baghdad/ Glasgow on a business trip. You know for a fact that the city you are visiting is the murder capital of its respective continent and that you will most likely be visiting some of the most deprived areas of the city (It seems like a pretty crap job I know). You also know that there are many, many muggers, rapists, gangs and murderers in this city, and the vast majority of them are armed, mostly with guns but some with knives. Your company is offering you a pistol to take with you on your visit (highly improbable I know) for self-protection, as the company cannot afford professional body guards. Assume that you have a rough understanding and experience with pistols. Also assume that pistols can be legally carried in each of these cities (which they can't in reality). Would you accept the firearm and carry it in a concealed holster, or do you believe the pistol would put you in even more danger (if that’s even possible)?
P.S. You cannot resign, as the company you are part of is actually the Mob.
P.S.S Britboy you've really set a trend with your scenarios!

I've been to loads of nasty places in my life -- South Central LA, all around New York, Glasgow, Nasty places in London.

Of course I'd never want a pistol as I want the smallest chance of me being shot possible.

How would you carrying a concealed weapon increase your chances of being shot at? They can't magically know that your carrying a weapon. The gun is more there to defend yourself if you do get in a tricky situation. Or do you believe the best thing to do is try and be as non-violent as possible and let them do what they want? That strategy can work, but it probably woudn't be particularly reliablewith the well 'ard gangstas you are likley to meet in these cities.

He can always offer his assailant friendly game of tiddlywinks to solve their differences.

[britboy]

Boneman wrote: britboy wrote: Boneman wrote: OK, a little scenario for you. You have been sent to Washington D.C./ Cali/ Johannesburg/ Baghdad/ Glasgow on a business trip. You know for a fact that the city you are visiting is the murder capital of its respective continent and that you will most likely be visiting some of the most deprived areas of the city (It seems like a pretty crap job I know). You also know that there are many, many muggers, rapists, gangs and murderers in this city, and the vast majority of them are armed, mostly with guns but some with knives. Your company is offering you a pistol to take with you on your visit (highly improbable I know) for self-protection, as the company cannot afford professional body guards. Assume that you have a rough understanding and experience with pistols. Also assume that pistols can be legally carried in each of these cities (which they can't in reality). Would you accept the firearm and carry it in a concealed holster, or do you believe the pistol would put you in even more danger (if that’s even possible)?
P.S. You cannot resign, as the company you are part of is actually the Mob.
P.S.S Britboy you've really set a trend with your scenarios!

I've been to loads of nasty places in my life -- South Central LA, all around New York, Glasgow, Nasty places in London.

Of course I'd never want a pistol as I want the smallest chance of me being shot possible.

How would you carrying a concealed weapon increase your chances of being shot at? They can't magically know that your carrying a weapon. The gun is more there to defend yourself if you do get in a tricky situation. Or do you believe the best thing to do is try and be as non-violent as possible and let them do what they want? That strategy can work, but it probably woudn't be particularly reliablewith the well 'ard gangstas you are likley to meet in these cities.

Obvious -- if concealed carry is legit -- the criminal will have to presume I am carrying. A lot more dangerous for me.

People like Airo tell me the concealed carry is NOT a deterrent -- in fact they are not supposed yo know you have a gun.

I think we both know all a gun would do is take the encounter to the next level. It would greatly, vastly increase the change of either him or myself being shot.

I believe anyone who thinks they can outwit and outshoot professional, violent criminals -- and is relying on that fact (which is the only way carrying concealed could possibly be justified). Well - to be honest - I think they haven't got a clue.

[Boneman]

britboy wrote: Boneman wrote: britboy wrote: Boneman wrote: OK, a little scenario for you. You have been sent to Washington D.C./ Cali/ Johannesburg/ Baghdad/ Glasgow on a business trip. You know for a fact that the city you are visiting is the murder capital of its respective continent and that you will most likely be visiting some of the most deprived areas of the city (It seems like a pretty crap job I know). You also know that there are many, many muggers, rapists, gangs and murderers in this city, and the vast majority of them are armed, mostly with guns but some with knives. Your company is offering you a pistol to take with you on your visit (highly improbable I know) for self-protection, as the company cannot afford professional body guards. Assume that you have a rough understanding and experience with pistols. Also assume that pistols can be legally carried in each of these cities (which they can't in reality). Would you accept the firearm and carry it in a concealed holster, or do you believe the pistol would put you in even more danger (if that’s even possible)?
P.S. You cannot resign, as the company you are part of is actually the Mob.
P.S.S Britboy you've really set a trend with your scenarios!

I've been to loads of nasty places in my life -- South Central LA, all around New York, Glasgow, Nasty places in London.

Of course I'd never want a pistol as I want the smallest chance of me being shot possible.

How would you carrying a concealed weapon increase your chances of being shot at? They can't magically know that your carrying a weapon. The gun is more there to defend yourself if you do get in a tricky situation. Or do you believe the best thing to do is try and be as non-violent as possible and let them do what they want? That strategy can work, but it probably woudn't be particularly reliablewith the well 'ard gangstas you are likley to meet in these cities.

Obvious -- if concealed carry is legit -- the criminal will have to presume I am carrying. A lot more dangerous for me.

People like Airo tell me the concealed carry is NOT a deterrent -- in fact they are not supposed yo know you have a gun.

I think we both know all a gun would do is take the encounter to the next level. It would greatly, vastly increase the change of either him or myself being shot.

I believe anyone who thinks they can outwit and outshoot professional, violent criminals -- and is relying on that fact (which is the only way carrying concealed could possibly be justified). Well - to be honest - I think they haven't got a clue.

But surely though the criminal would not know wether you had a gun on you or not, so you having one would make no difference to his actions? I'm assuming your reasonably intelligent, why would you draw a gun if you believed it would just escalate the situation? You would know when and when not to draw a gun, having a gun would nto force you to draw it. A gun is for when theyre is absolutley no alternative and the attacker is making it quite clear he is going to kill you or someone else. The vast majority of criminals are not "professional" by the way, they are mostly junkies looking for money for their next fix, hardly competant gun slingers. How many muggers go down to the range every saturday and sunday and fire of a few hundred rounds? Not many I should think, wheras the majority of CCW carriers are quite proficiant with their weapon. So yes, I do think your average CCW carrier could outshoot and outhink a drugged up mugger with a revolver or a knife.

[britboy]

Boneman wrote: britboy wrote: Boneman wrote: britboy wrote: Boneman wrote: OK, a little scenario for you. You have been sent to Washington D.C./ Cali/ Johannesburg/ Baghdad/ Glasgow on a business trip. You know for a fact that the city you are visiting is the murder capital of its respective continent and that you will most likely be visiting some of the most deprived areas of the city (It seems like a pretty crap job I know). You also know that there are many, many muggers, rapists, gangs and murderers in this city, and the vast majority of them are armed, mostly with guns but some with knives. Your company is offering you a pistol to take with you on your visit (highly improbable I know) for self-protection, as the company cannot afford professional body guards. Assume that you have a rough understanding and experience with pistols. Also assume that pistols can be legally carried in each of these cities (which they can't in reality). Would you accept the firearm and carry it in a concealed holster, or do you believe the pistol would put you in even more danger (if that’s even possible)?
P.S. You cannot resign, as the company you are part of is actually the Mob.
P.S.S Britboy you've really set a trend with your scenarios!

I've been to loads of nasty places in my life -- South Central LA, all around New York, Glasgow, Nasty places in London.

Of course I'd never want a pistol as I want the smallest chance of me being shot possible.

How would you carrying a concealed weapon increase your chances of being shot at? They can't magically know that your carrying a weapon. The gun is more there to defend yourself if you do get in a tricky situation. Or do you believe the best thing to do is try and be as non-violent as possible and let them do what they want? That strategy can work, but it probably woudn't be particularly reliablewith the well 'ard gangstas you are likley to meet in these cities.

Obvious -- if concealed carry is legit -- the criminal will have to presume I am carrying. A lot more dangerous for me.

People like Airo tell me the concealed carry is NOT a deterrent -- in fact they are not supposed yo know you have a gun.

I think we both know all a gun would do is take the encounter to the next level. It would greatly, vastly increase the change of either him or myself being shot.

I believe anyone who thinks they can outwit and outshoot professional, violent criminals -- and is relying on that fact (which is the only way carrying concealed could possibly be justified). Well - to be honest - I think they haven't got a clue.

But surely though the criminal would not know wether you had a gun on you or not, so you having one would make no difference to his actions? I'm assuming your reasonably intelligent, why would you draw a gun if you believed it would just escalate the situation? You would know when and when not to draw a gun, having a gun would nto force you to draw it. A gun is for when theyre is absolutley no alternative and the attacker is making it quite clear he is going to kill you or someone else. The vast majority of criminals are not "professional" by the way, they are mostly junkies looking for money for their next fix, hardly competant gun slingers. How many muggers go down to the range every saturday and sunday and fire of a few hundred rounds? Not many I should think, wheras the majority of CCW carriers are quite proficiant with their weapon. So yes, I do think your average CCW carrier could outshoot and outhink a drugged up mugger with a revolver or a knife.

Firstly if it was a possibility of me having a gun or not, THAT would alter the mugger's actions. You say..
Quote:
A gun is for when theyre is absolutley no alternative and the attacker is making it quite clear he is going to kill you or someone else.

But I can't think of a simgle pro-gunners on this forum that agrees with you. For example Perdichos suggests if he found a kid nicking his car stereo he'd draw his weapon. Airo suggests he'd draw to stop some drunkard breaking his nose for chatting up his g/f. Hell, all the gunners here were agreed that it was acceptable for some person in their car to 'start waving their weapon around' because someone walked up to the car with a tyre iron! Just walked up to the car -- that's it! Time to draw your gun! The pro-gunners seem very, very easy on what counts as 'time to start waving the Smith and Wesson' (lol and when the apparent 'assailant' runs away thinking 'some crazy fool's waving his gun around when I wanted to ask directions' -- the pro gunners count this as a 'successful defensive use of the gun'!! lol but thats a different thread).

So the argument doesn't work. It might, if people did follow your weapons policy -- but unfortunately what you have stated is well off the mark. The reality is people will generally draw their weapons quickly, early on in any confrontation (imagined or otherwise).

Anyway, I still maintain that the mugger has such a heads-up about the entire circumstance in which the assault is going to occur, he will be able to ensure he comes out on top.

[micfranklin]

britboy wrote: I think we both know all a gun would do is take the encounter to the next level. It would greatly, vastly increase the change of either him or myself being shot.

That's the point, briboy. You're carrying a gun on you increases the chance of him being shot. Why? Because he is a criminal and he shouldn't have been trying to rob you in the first place.

[Boneman]

britboy wrote: Boneman wrote: britboy wrote: Boneman wrote: britboy wrote: Boneman wrote: OK, a little scenario for you. You have been sent to Washington D.C./ Cali/ Johannesburg/ Baghdad/ Glasgow on a business trip. You know for a fact that the city you are visiting is the murder capital of its respective continent and that you will most likely be visiting some of the most deprived areas of the city (It seems like a pretty crap job I know). You also know that there are many, many muggers, rapists, gangs and murderers in this city, and the vast majority of them are armed, mostly with guns but some with knives. Your company is offering you a pistol to take with you on your visit (highly improbable I know) for self-protection, as the company cannot afford professional body guards. Assume that you have a rough understanding and experience with pistols. Also assume that pistols can be legally carried in each of these cities (which they can't in reality). Would you accept the firearm and carry it in a concealed holster, or do you believe the pistol would put you in even more danger (if that’s even possible)?
P.S. You cannot resign, as the company you are part of is actually the Mob.
P.S.S Britboy you've really set a trend with your scenarios!

I've been to loads of nasty places in my life -- South Central LA, all around New York, Glasgow, Nasty places in London.

Of course I'd never want a pistol as I want the smallest chance of me being shot possible.

How would you carrying a concealed weapon increase your chances of being shot at? They can't magically know that your carrying a weapon. The gun is more there to defend yourself if you do get in a tricky situation. Or do you believe the best thing to do is try and be as non-violent as possible and let them do what they want? That strategy can work, but it probably woudn't be particularly reliablewith the well 'ard gangstas you are likley to meet in these cities.

Obvious -- if concealed carry is legit -- the criminal will have to presume I am carrying. A lot more dangerous for me.

People like Airo tell me the concealed carry is NOT a deterrent -- in fact they are not supposed yo know you have a gun.

I think we both know all a gun would do is take the encounter to the next level. It would greatly, vastly increase the change of either him or myself being shot.

I believe anyone who thinks they can outwit and outshoot professional, violent criminals -- and is relying on that fact (which is the only way carrying concealed could possibly be justified). Well - to be honest - I think they haven't got a clue.

But surely though the criminal would not know wether you had a gun on you or not, so you having one would make no difference to his actions? I'm assuming your reasonably intelligent, why would you draw a gun if you believed it would just escalate the situation? You would know when and when not to draw a gun, having a gun would nto force you to draw it. A gun is for when theyre is absolutley no alternative and the attacker is making it quite clear he is going to kill you or someone else. The vast majority of criminals are not "professional" by the way, they are mostly junkies looking for money for their next fix, hardly competant gun slingers. How many muggers go down to the range every saturday and sunday and fire of a few hundred rounds? Not many I should think, wheras the majority of CCW carriers are quite proficiant with their weapon. So yes, I do think your average CCW carrier could outshoot and outhink a drugged up mugger with a revolver or a knife.

Firstly if it was a possibility of me having a gun or not, THAT would alter the mugger's actions. You say..
Quote:
A gun is for when theyre is absolutley no alternative and the attacker is making it quite clear he is going to kill you or someone else.

But I can't think of a simgle pro-gunners on this forum that agrees with you. For example 'some crazy fool's waving his gun around when I wanted to ask directionPerdichos suggests if he found a kid nicking his car stereo he'd draw his weapon. Airo suggests he'd draw to stop some drunkard breaking his nose for chatting up his g/f. Hell, all the gunners here were agreed that it was acceptable for some person in their car to 'start waving their weapon around' because someone walked up to the car with a tyre iron! Just walked up to the car -- that's it! Time to draw your gun! The pro-gunners seem very, very easy on what counts as 'time to start waving the Smith and Wesson' (lol and when the apparent 'assailant' runs away thinking s' -- the pro gunners count this as a 'successful defensive use of the gun'!! lol but thats a different thread).

So the argument doesn't work. It might, if people did follow your weapons policy -- but unfortunately what you have stated is well off the mark. The reality is people will generally draw their weapons quickly, early on in any confrontation (imagined or otherwise).

Anyway, I still maintain that the mugger has such a heads-up about the entire circumstance in which the assault is going to occur, he will be able to ensure he comes out on top.

Britboy, by your own admission you have very little experiance with firearms, and probably quite little with firearm owners. Therefore you are not in a position to say that a gun owner would "draw their weapons quickly, early on in any confrontation (imagined or otherwise)". You seem to be under the impression that every gun owner is a trigger happy redneck that will shoot first and ask questions later, in reality they are just like you and the rest of humanity; they are intelligent and will not usually act unless they believe their life or someone elses is in danger (of course there are exceptions, and there is a big, big difference to what someone says they would do on an internet forum, and what they actually do when they are in the situation). By the way Britboy, not all pro-gun people are alike, I do not think CCW should be legal for every man in the UK, seeing as theyre is not much use to it. Yet in the US, where guns are extremely prevelent in the hands of criminals, CCW serves to take away from the criminal the advantages an illegal gun gives them, and gives those who have chosen to follow the law a realistic means of defense. A little scenario for you Britboy, seeing as your so fond of them, you are a mugger, would you rather mug A) a Texan, who may or may not have a CCW, or B) an Englishman, who will not.

[perdidochas]

britboy wrote: But I can't think of a simgle pro-gunners on this forum that agrees with you. For example Perdichos suggests if he found a kid nicking his car stereo he'd draw his weapon. Airo suggests he'd draw to stop some drunkard breaking his nose for chatting up his g/f. Hell, all the gunners here were agreed that it was acceptable for some person in their car to 'start waving their weapon around' because someone walked up to the car with a tyre iron! Just walked up to the car -- that's it! Time to draw your gun! The pro-gunners seem very, very easy on what counts as 'time to start waving the Smith and Wesson' (lol and when the apparent 'assailant' runs away thinking 'some crazy fool's waving his gun around when I wanted to ask directions' -- the pro gunners count this as a 'successful defensive use of the gun'!! lol but thats a different thread).

I guess it's a difference in culture, but if someone is committing a felony (stealing a car stereo is a felony), I don't see what's wrong with drawing a weapon on them. Shooting them (in the case of a non-violent felony) is a bit over the top, but drawing a weapon is reasonable. IMHO, anybody committing a felony is likely to be dangerous. In the case of the tire iron, a reasonable person without ill intent wouldn't walk up to another car with a tire iron in his hand. Again, I'm not advocating shooting them, but I don't see what's wrong with being prepared. Again, I think it's cultural, and I'm glad I don't live in the effete lack of common sense culture that britboy does. Unfortunately, I see this country going that way, but maybe that can be stopped.

britboy wrote: So the argument doesn't work. It might, if people did follow your weapons policy -- but unfortunately what you have stated is well off the mark. The reality is people will generally draw their weapons quickly, early on in any confrontation (imagined or otherwise).

Not the case, unless there is good cause. I maintain a felony being committed is a good reason to draw a weapon. A person walking on a street with a deadly weapon is another good reason to draw a weapon.

britboy wrote: Anyway, I still maintain that the mugger has such a heads-up about the entire circumstance in which the assault is going to occur, he will be able to ensure he comes out on top. I think he will avoid the situation altogether. The stakes are much different for a victim over a mugger. A victim, if mugged, can and probably will be hurt in some way (if only financially and emotionally). The mugger, if he thinks a target is too tough, will simply move on to another target.