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[The Comrade]

kain wrote:

the Iranians will fight for something they truly believe in " faith " and this is something hard to train in any army , you don't need big weapons to fight if you have just faith you can do anything , by the way the Israeli army couldn't go any further into Lebanon because they know that the solders would not be coming back .

israel didn't enter lebanon because they didn't want to occupy it like they had to in the 80s with the PLO. which may i once again say was solidly defeated by the IDF.

as for this faith nonsense, the pride in ones country is just as strong as any religious faith.



ToonArmyIsComing wrote: i just hope the Israeli had a nice picnic on the border and took some nice photos of the country side with the Israeli flag :lol:

eh?

[superskippy]

Quote: the Iranians will fight for something they truly believe in " faith " and this is something hard to train in any army , you don't need big weapons to fight if you have just faith you can do anything

The Iran-Iraq war proved that wrong. The Iranian suicide waves of religous zealots accomplished little but stacking up dead. Zeal can only bring you so far, a person with zeal can die just as easily as a person without it. Having "faith" does not mean you can do anything it just means you are perhaps willing to go through the rigours with little doubt.

Quote: by the way the Israeli army couldn't go any further into Lebanon because they know that the solders would not be coming back

We had some 10,000 frontline troops in Lebanon of a 15,000 contingent inside Lebanon. The last time we went in we had over 150,000 soldiers and we pushed to Beirut and held there. Olmert was not willing to take the next step and begin deploying the IDF to Lebanon for a full scale campaign in South Lebanon. No one doubts that we had the strength to go anywhere we wanted in Lebanon, when ever we decided to advance we did so. When we wanted to cross the border we did. When we wanted to advance, we did. When we wanted to march to the Litani River, we did. We had the strength to make the fight and win it, but there were a multitude of other factors, such as what would the victory mean.

[MoscowMatt]

ALi* wrote: no is a typical answer...
i say yes! if the usa continues providing israel with weapons itll encourage israel to do sumthing stupid (ex: attacking iran) wich will bring a near end to the criminal zionist state. :lol:

You really believe that?? Iran would not stand a chance. They would be obliterated!! Which makes all their 'we'll destroy Israel' posturing rather laughable, and the fact there are people like you who believe it, hilarious!! :lol:

Iran supplies Hezbollah with weapons so why should the USA not supply Israel. Kind of like a new cold war scenario!!

[MoscowMatt]

Plato & Socrates wrote: mendosan wrote:

Hasn't the Quote: criminal zionist state made private assurances that it will nuke every Arab city within range of its missiles if anyone manages to bring it to its knees.

If this is true what your saying Mendosan, then Israel is more dangerous than I thought. Think of it. Israel making a promise like this, even against Arab states not currently hostile against Israel. But if another Arab nation decided through madness, to take on Israel via nuclear exchange. Israel has threatened retaliation, like you have described?
To me this is as bad as Admadmanijads comments, even worse.

If I was a Arab leader aware of these comments/private assurances, I would pursue a nuclear option, and tell the U.S and the U.N to go f**k themselves. I could'nt be a leader, living under the threat of a mushroom cloud, because a fellow Arab country decides to take on Israel irrespective of my countries views. But because I'm a fellow Arab country irrespective of involvement, Israel has vowed to bomb me also.

This just shows how DUMB those Arab countries are, to let a situation like this arise and be in a position where they are so defenseless. What next, if Israel was bought to her knees, would Israel aim her nuclear missile's on European capitals for payback for those years of persecution and anti-semitism? why not, she would have nothing to lose? and where complaining about Iran? Theres food for thought. :think:

I think Israel firing nukes at the West is somewhat far fetched to say the least!! :roll: You really think Israel is alone in it's 'we'll fire nukes if you try to wipe us out' stance?

The simple solution is for the Arab countries to leave Israel alone and then there won't be any problems. Did you hear that Iran?!!! :lol:

[Plato & Socrates]

MoscowMatt wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: mendosan wrote:

Hasn't the Quote: criminal zionist state made private assurances that it will nuke every Arab city within range of its missiles if anyone manages to bring it to its knees.

If this is true what your saying Mendosan, then Israel is more dangerous than I thought. Think of it. Israel making a promise like this, even against Arab states not currently hostile against Israel. But if another Arab nation decided through madness, to take on Israel via nuclear exchange. Israel has threatened retaliation, like you have described?
To me this is as bad as Admadmanijads comments, even worse.

If I was a Arab leader aware of these comments/private assurances, I would pursue a nuclear option, and tell the U.S and the U.N to go f**k themselves. I could'nt be a leader, living under the threat of a mushroom cloud, because a fellow Arab country decides to take on Israel irrespective of my countries views. But because I'm a fellow Arab country irrespective of involvement, Israel has vowed to bomb me also.

This just shows how DUMB those Arab countries are, to let a situation like this arise and be in a position where they are so defenseless. What next, if Israel was bought to her knees, would Israel aim her nuclear missile's on European capitals for payback for those years of persecution and anti-semitism? why not, she would have nothing to lose? and where complaining about Iran? Theres food for thought. :think:

I think Israel firing nukes at the West is somewhat far fetched to say the least!! :roll: You really think Israel is alone in it's 'we'll fire nukes if you try to wipe us out' stance?

The simple solution is for the Arab countries to leave Israel alone and then there won't be any problems. Did you hear that Iran?!!! :lol:

Come on, this is silly. This is guilt by association. If these Arab countries had a pact, then maybe Israel might have a point. Knowing this is Israels stance, these Arab nations are idiots for even letting the U.S control the agenda.
My position would be, that i'm only responsible for what goes on inside my boarders, or what my own external forces do. I'm not going to leave myself vulnerable to attack, because of the actions of another independent state and be the recipient of a mushroom cloud and the U.S proclaim i'm not allowed a nuclear bomb, because they say so.

Then again I'm not Arab or Muslim, so i don't really care. But if I was, I would demand my nation to have enough bombs that Israel is aware that if she attacked me, there would never be a Jew or Jewish state in that region again. It would truly be the end. I could see a few millions Arabs surviving, but how many Jews would survive? Then again just talking about it shows the utter madness of this whole affair. Nuclear bombs, death, annihilation etc. The world has gone f**king mad.

There should be peace, but we all know where Iran is heading. Only a idiot will believe they are not after the bomb. Israels inconciliatory tones and Iran's dislike for Israel, has evolved to the stage of Iran coming close to nuclear capabilities. Only when this region is up in flames will people truly reflect on what has gone wrong. Personally I don't see it ending any other way at the rate and path we're heading. It's going to be a Jewish Pyrrhic victory, but at to great a cost.