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mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2332

Quote: and u blame iran y they say they will wipe you out if they had to...? and u say iran is agressive and...and...?

I'm not and Israeli, its totally understandable that if Israel fell they would nuke their assailants, id expect it from any nuclear power. (certainly from my country)

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

mendosan wrote: Quote: and u blame iran y they say they will wipe you out if they had to...? and u say iran is agressive and...and...?

I'm not and Israeli, its totally understandable that if Israel fell they would nuke their assailants, id expect it from any nuclear power. (certainly from my country)

And the argument against Iran having nuclear weapons is?

mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2332

slitedeviance wrote: mendosan wrote: Quote: and u blame iran y they say they will wipe you out if they had to...? and u say iran is agressive and...and...?

I'm not and Israeli, its totally understandable that if Israel fell they would nuke their assailants, id expect it from any nuclear power. (certainly from my country)

And the argument against Iran having nuclear weapons is?

Not really got one, I don't support military action to prevent them having it, but I do recognize the dangers.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

mendosan wrote: Not really got one, I don't support military action to prevent them having it, but I do recognize the dangers.

Actually, I think we pretty much agree on this one!

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 15233 Location: On Earth

cap'n queasy wrote: The only ones making genocidal threats are the Arabs.

Not all the time. However, Israel has carried out even more genocides than the Arabs did.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7442 Location: Petah Tikva

Oh come on Saracen, we havent carried out one genocide let alone many.

ALi* · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 427 Location: Beirut

^^^^

whats ur definition of genocide? :?:?

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7442 Location: Petah Tikva

My definition of Genocide is the definition of Genocide.

A systematic attempt to annihilate a racial group or nation. The word was first used in 1944.

The systematic, planned annihilation of an ethnic, racial or political group.

The deliberate and systematic extermination of a national or racial group.

Destruction of a culture and its people through physical extermination.

Mass murder of a racial, national or religious group.

A system of killing an entire people.

The practice of killing all the members of a particular race or national group by another race or national group

Systematic killing of a racial or cultural group

This is from definitions you find just by typing in Genocide.

ALi* · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 427 Location: Beirut

okay my bad then... israel has never done a genocide :)

it has done mini-genocides :?:?:?

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7442 Location: Petah Tikva

How can you say we havent done a Genocide then knowing the very definition of Genocide term something a "mini-genocide"?

the_doctor · Joined: 01 Jan 2006 Posts: 353 Location: Sydney

Perhaps mini genocide may not be the right word. But the IDFs general modus operandi, by taking a sledgehammer to swat a Fly technique, for example launching air strikes either by warplane or helicopter upon civilian apartment blocks for one thing. They may be correct in that some terrorist leader is hiding in an apartment block but is it worth killing many other unconnected people?

My opinion of whether America should help Israel to fight its battles is a definite no, nor should it aid Israel in any way as it isn't good for America's image. One day, a US President will be elected who will stop supporting Israel like previous presidents have done and then Israel will start having to listen to the rest of the world.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 15233 Location: On Earth

the_doctor wrote: Perhaps mini genocide may not be the right word. But the IDFs general modus operandi, by taking a sledgehammer to swat a Fly technique, for example launching air strikes either by warplane or helicopter upon civilian apartment blocks for one thing. They may be correct in that some terrorist leader is hiding in an apartment block but is it worth killing many other unconnected people?

My opinion of whether America should help Israel to fight its battles is a definite no, nor should it aid Israel in any way as it isn't good for America's image. One day, a US President will be elected who will stop supporting Israel like previous presidents have done and then Israel will start having to listen to the rest of the world.

Ditto.

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

Saracen wrote: the_doctor wrote: Perhaps mini genocide may not be the right word. But the IDFs general modus operandi, by taking a sledgehammer to swat a Fly technique, for example launching air strikes either by warplane or helicopter upon civilian apartment blocks for one thing. They may be correct in that some terrorist leader is hiding in an apartment block but is it worth killing many other unconnected people?

My opinion of whether America should help Israel to fight its battles is a definite no, nor should it aid Israel in any way as it isn't good for America's image. One day, a US President will be elected who will stop supporting Israel like previous presidents have done and then Israel will start having to listen to the rest of the world.

Ditto.
Same here, though I wouldn't be so sure that president is likely to be elected real soon.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 15233 Location: On Earth

agentkgb wrote: Saracen wrote: the_doctor wrote: Perhaps mini genocide may not be the right word. But the IDFs general modus operandi, by taking a sledgehammer to swat a Fly technique, for example launching air strikes either by warplane or helicopter upon civilian apartment blocks for one thing. They may be correct in that some terrorist leader is hiding in an apartment block but is it worth killing many other unconnected people?

My opinion of whether America should help Israel to fight its battles is a definite no, nor should it aid Israel in any way as it isn't good for America's image. One day, a US President will be elected who will stop supporting Israel like previous presidents have done and then Israel will start having to listen to the rest of the world.

Ditto.
Same here, though I wouldn't be so sure that president is likely to be elected real soon.

I didn't say I was hopeful.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 10556 Location: Zagreb

British boy wrote: I dont mean should America still remain an ally, thats a given for me, I'm wondering should America provide Israel with weapons, and join in wars against the Arab nations with Israel?

I'm not to crazy about the way i worded the question I hope you get what I was trying to say :-D

yes. israel is an important ally to us.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 10556 Location: Zagreb

superskippy wrote: Yes. Our destruction means the Arab Worlds destruction. That is the price for our destruction and we wont change it.

the samson option seems like it would be an effective deterant.

it's rather funny how people want countries like iran to have nuclear weapons so a MAD like policy can be established, thus ensuring no war. yet when israel has a MAD style plan, they are in the wrong.

hypocrisy is lovely, isn't it?

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7442 Location: Petah Tikva

Quote: and u blame iran y they say they will wipe you out if they had to...? and u say iran is agressive and...and...?

It isnt an aggressive point. All you have to do to avoid is not try and annihilate Israel. I would hope that would be the easiest of things to avoid.

Quote: a war with iran has nothing to do with arabs

Perhaps it wouldnt. If it was a war solely with Iran it would almost have to involve nuclear weapons or other mass weapons as we share no common border. If that was the case we would destroy only Iran and perhaps their ally in Syria.

Quote: and if israel was stupid enough to attack an arab country

We arent talking about attacking an Arab country.

Quote: but look at ur future president perez.. hes begging syria for peace (in a way)

Honestly you say some pretty odd things at times. Besides noting that Syria has been thoroughly beaten every time they have come at us with arms, the last time in 1982, the fact is we havent actually fought in more than 20 years. What are we begging for? We want peace it would be wonderful if we could follow the path of Jordan and Egypt with Syria. But we dont need to grovel for it.

Quote: they arent actually DUMB... KSA alone owns 11% of america

Honestly how can you even attempt to quantify how much of a country you own, I really do wonder where you got such an absurd statistic.

Quote: for the 6578th time... arabs are also SEMITES

Ok? The word anti-semite is irrelivent to the word semite. Anti-Semite has for more than 150 years meant very clearly hatred of Jews. Honestly I never could understand this obsession with arguing over such a miniscule thing as which racist word means what. Is it just an impulse to dispute us?

Quote: we all know israel can NOT make a decision by itself without the american administration approoving it

Right. I assume your going to eleminate our history from 1948 to roughly 1970-1973 when we had little to no American support. It is a standard attempt of the Arabs in general since our founding to try and bring Israel down a peg by claiming everything we do is a link to America.

Quote: bring it on... we are neighbouring you...youll pay too

Thats the point. We die, you die. We gave the world Masada, your new on the block. You think we cant make the trade? The day the Arab world thinks that is the day we all go down.

Quote: source plz?

I'll list a great one from the 1948 war.

The Arab League Secretary General Abdul Razek Azzam Pasha announced the intention to wage "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades"

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/1948_War.html

Quote: Perhaps mini genocide may not be the right word. But the IDFs general modus operandi, by taking a sledgehammer to swat a Fly technique, for example launching air strikes either by warplane or helicopter upon civilian apartment blocks for one thing. They may be correct in that some terrorist leader is hiding in an apartment block but is it worth killing many other unconnected people?

So you question the ethics of our attacks? Let me ask you, how many times can you count in lets say the past year where we destroyed an apartment complex to get a terrorist inside? It is very rare that we even do anything so extreme as to attack a major civilian residence for a terrorist.

kain · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 30

mr_happy wrote: I would hope Israel has the sense to bring down the arab nation that is attacking, not any others neutral to the conflict.

:lol: :lol: Israel couldn't bring down Hezbollah who are a militia army and they are only armed with those fire works Katusha rockets , Hezbollah has maybe like 5000 fanatic soldier and they were hard to defeat and on the other hand Iran has like millions like them just waiting for the signal to attack ,just for that Little mistake that Israel or the US to make and then KABOOM every where nuclear missiles flying every where it will also give N.Korea the chance to march in and take revenge on any of its hostile countries , not to mention all the Iranians living in the states and European countries there are thousands and believe me they will go berserk if Iran the mother land was hit , Israel without its nuclear power are nothing comparing with an army like Hezbollah and the last war just proved it.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 10556 Location: Zagreb

kain wrote: mr_happy wrote: I would hope Israel has the sense to bring down the arab nation that is attacking, not any others neutral to the conflict.

:lol: :lol: Israel couldn't bring down Hezbollah who are a militia army and they are only armed with those fire works Katusha rockets , Hezbollah has maybe like 5000 fanatic soldier and they were hard to defeat and on the other hand Iran has like millions like them just waiting for the signal to attack ,just for that Little mistake that Israel or the US to make and then KABOOM every where nuclear missiles flying every where it will also give N.Korea the chance to march in and take revenge on any of its hostile countries , not to mention all the Iranians living in the states and European countries there are thousands and believe me they will go berserk if Iran the mother land was hit , Israel without its nuclear power are nothing comparing with an army like Hezbollah and the last war just proved it.

israel didn't enter more then a few kilometers into lebanon. it's hard to clear streets and buildings with jets.

north korea has a s**t army and would be instantly destroyed if it tried to attack anyone.

iran has a 1970s equipped army and other then the revolutionary guard it is ccomprised of poorly trained conscripts.

and incase you didn't know the IDF completely destroyed the PLOs army in the 80s, which was twice the size of hezbollah.

get your facts straight.

kain · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 30

The Comrade wrote: kain wrote: mr_happy wrote: I would hope Israel has the sense to bring down the arab nation that is attacking, not any others neutral to the conflict.

:lol: :lol: Israel couldn't bring down Hezbollah who are a militia army and they are only armed with those fire works Katusha rockets , Hezbollah has maybe like 5000 fanatic soldier and they were hard to defeat and on the other hand Iran has like millions like them just waiting for the signal to attack ,just for that Little mistake that Israel or the US to make and then KABOOM every where nuclear missiles flying every where it will also give N.Korea the chance to march in and take revenge on any of its hostile countries , not to mention all the Iranians living in the states and European countries there are thousands and believe me they will go berserk if Iran the mother land was hit , Israel without its nuclear power are nothing comparing with an army like Hezbollah and the last war just proved it.

israel didn't enter more then a few kilometers into lebanon. it's hard to clear streets and buildings with jets.

north korea has a s**t army and would be instantly destroyed if it tried to attack anyone.

iran has a 1970s equipped army and other then the revolutionary guard it is ccomprised of poorly trained conscripts.

and incase you didn't know the IDF completely destroyed the PLOs army in the 80s, which was twice the size of hezbollah.

get your facts straight.

the Iranians will fight for something they truly believe in " faith " and this is something hard to train in any army , you don't need big weapons to fight if you have just faith you can do anything , by the way the Israeli army couldn't go any further into Lebanon because they know that the solders would not be coming back . i just hope the Israeli had a nice picnic on the border and took some nice photos of the country side with the Israeli flag :lol: