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[Fido]

Cal-Pak wrote: Kamel wrote: The thread is about living conditions and the welfare status of soldiers families.

this thread has officially been hijacked
I would say this thread is about the Obliviousness of the people in charge to the living conditions and welfare status of soldiers families.

We have been at war for 5 years now. This is not a new issue.

What about the government report, no link, about how the usury payday loans these military people were obliged to use as stop gap were interfering with the military effectiveness and readiness. Look at the foreclosures and bankruptcies associated with military service. Sure, these people are some of the best, and they are looking for an opportunity in a land where that is gold. But think of it, having to go to war leaving a wife and children behind having to beg to survive. That isn't the end of it by any means. A lot of these people are going to come home emotionally shot. We still have Vietnam vets on the street, in mental hospitals, and in prisons unable to adjust. That was my war. That was the war I lucked out of. That could be me home less and drug habituated. When is this country ever going to learn to stay out of open ended external line of communication nonsense wars. This people does not have the patience for failure. It is essential that we fight for home ground if we are to fight at all. The price some of these people will bear is so near the ultimate that it is indistinguishable, and compared to which a wife's begging is nothing. Many of these people will come home seeming sound and shortly find themselves without family or support at all. Pity these poor men and their poor families. Pity this country. Democracy could have saved us from this madness. The cure won't make it to the ill.

[Snake]

That's the way it is I guess, send 'em off to war to make 'em heros, and when they come home, s**t all over them and tell them to go f**k themselves...

[johnflesh]

The Russian wrote: I'm a retail manager and one of the people working for me is a wife of a naval officer, and she has 1 kid. By regulations I'm not allowed to be biased on the basis of military service and I think that is good reasoning. Another employee at a different location is a wife whose husband was killed in a car accident, she has 2 kids.. and this kind of thing would be picking between two tragedies.

A wife of a military man or a KIA should not get privelages above a wife whose husband ran out on her or was killed in some other manner, IMHO. Whether they need the money more than a college student is for sure, but not when it comes to separating themselves through one form of tragedy or another. Sadly, a wife alone and raising a kid or two on her own is no where near rare, but thats a whole other topic.

In regards to personal oppinion, my dad has been more-or-less non-existant since I was 9 and my mom raised me and my sis on her own and we barely survived on welfare / medicaid... I would not say that her struggles are any less than a military wife raising her kids alone who has a mil husband to send home a paycheck.

I can fully agree with this other than one thing that fits as a formidable 'krux' in this...

There is a very questionable war going on at this moment in Iraq. This war, justified or not, right or not, is under critique from many sides of the issue. Some feel, and perhaps some who would research said story, believe that if this war wasn't going on, had a deadline, and end date, or perhaps even an end in sight, would drastically effect the outcome and daily lives of above mentioned families and families across the nation who have a loved one, a provider over in Iraq.

Rhetorical? Perhaps. All service men and women have a choice to pick and choose any job they wish, be it in the military or as a civilian. With the krux of this being the war itself and all the chaos as of late, these men and women might not make it back home to pick and choose a better career. As well, how were these families doing better before the war and now that there is a war, they are doing worse? Why is there less income now as before they went to war.

Personally speaking it is more profitable economically for a man or woman to contract their services to some of the companies who produce for this war rather than serve through military service. They at the moment don't have this choice and cannot see an end to their service to predict a point where they can make this choice. I highly doubt men and women join the forces to cash in, or get rich, but come on.

Also, though I see your point in analogy with a car accident, it hold zero water here. Those who die in car accidents INSIDE America aren't IN IRAQ serving their country and put up their lives for freedom. That does deserve more compassion, money, and overall... support no matter your view on the war.

[johnflesh]

Cal-Pak wrote: Kamel wrote: The thread is about living conditions and the welfare status of soldiers families.

this thread has officially been hijacked
I would say this thread is about the Obliviousness of the people in charge to the living conditions and welfare status of soldiers families.

We have been at war for 5 years now. This is not a new issue.

Perhaps it isn't a 'new' issue, but that means nothing in respect to solutions and awareness. I am glad some people know about this, but there are many who don't understand this, and by example, they now can.

As for politics, if Dems win, which it is looking good for, they better fix this asap. Dissent grows from almost every aspect of America daily life... add world relations to that, heh...

[TNBiologist]

Alizard wrote:
I think most of them are brain surgeons.

Of course they could work..... and at minimum wage, what they make would cover about half of what the day care would cost so somebody would watch their kids while they are working.

These are not typically people with high level skill sets.

Typical left-wing bashing of anything military related. Who says that these spouses are unskilled? I myself am waiting on my paperwork to send me to OCS and my wife is an RN. My of my best friends is currently in Iraq as an Army Medic and his fiance is finishing college. Please do not pull a Kerry and treat the military and their families as uneducated or stupid.

Part of the problem is that this story comes out of San Diego, which has a very high standard of living compared to the rest of the country. A salary that woudl allow you live well in most places does not allow you to pay all your bills in San Deigo.