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superskippy wrote:

Hezbollah survived, if you wish to term that as defeating the IDF that is your choice. And no I meant exactly what I said.

You're not suggesting that Israel & the IDF succeeded, are you?

Israel Killed more civlians than militants - damn, they killed more children than militants....

[superskippy]

I'm saying there is a difference between us failing to attain our objectives, and Hezbollah whipping the IDF which it most certaintly did not do. Hezbollah took the larger losses, was always forced to give up ground, lost more resources, and suffered more destruction. No one doubts that had we continued we would have assumed control of South Lebanon if needed, but that of course isnt a desirable option amongst many other reasons for lack of continuing the war.

[bunny]

superskippy wrote: I'm saying there is a difference between us failing to attain our objectives, and Hezbollah whipping the IDF which it most certaintly did not do.

Israel FAILED in it's objectives - end of stroy.

superskippy wrote: Hezbollah took the larger losses,

No, the civilians of Lebanon did - from what I remember, Hezbollah & IDF losses were equal, or in the same ballpark

superskippy wrote: was always forced to give up ground, lost more resources, and suffered more destruction.,

Well, Israel did target civilian targets... And Hezbollah quickly re-armed themselves. So I would disagree with you here too

superskippy wrote: No one doubts that had we continued we would have assumed control of South Lebanon if needed,

I doubt it! Alot of others I know doubt it too...

but keep telling yourself whatever it is you need to hear, to justify your jingoistic ways

superskippy wrote: but that of course isnt a desirable option amongst many other reasons for lack of continuing the war.

It was a war? Funny, only the Pro-Israeli camp seems to classify it as a war.. as per warmongering, I would imagine.

[superskippy]

Quote: Israel FAILED in it's objectives - end of stroy.

Yes we did and I place the blame on our unwillingness to take the war to the next step, and that is actual war.

Quote: No, the civilians of Lebanon did - from what I remember, Hezbollah & IDF losses were equal, or in the same ballpark

As of right now we have some 400 fully documented hezbollah deaths by name and address which we have released. IDF fatalities some 119 for the duration of the conflict, and our casualty estimates of our foes are normally under strength as we only report fully documented fatalities.

Quote: Well, Israel did target civilian targets... And Hezbollah quickly re-armed themselves. So I would disagree with you here too

You didnt address what I said.

Quote: I doubt it! Alot of others I know doubt it too...

There is no doubt we could have occupied South Lebanon if need be, to honestly beleive that Hezbollah could have really hurled back the IDF is a fools dream. The day we decided to move on the Litani River we had troops at the Litani River. The day we decided to advance into Lebanon we advanced into Lebanon. Hezbollah never managed to turn back our advances, their defense lay in maintaining a hodge podge of towns and villages they would use as fort towns. Like Maroun Al Ras these would all have fallen eventually once under heavy assault. Hezbollah managed to survive, but it never managed to drive us back or beat us in open battle. Had we devoted to full scale war and the unsavory prospect of occupying South Lebanon it would have been an inevitability.

Quote: It was a war? Funny, only the Pro-Israeli camp seems to classify it as a war.. as per warmongering, I would imagine.

It was a low scale war as we had yet to (in my mind in error) to commit ourselves to a full scale war. Deploying some 40,000 troops at least for a real push through South Lebanon like we did the last time around and then we had close to 90,000 soldiers. In this war we advanced a limited distance, used less then 15,000 frontline troops of which not all were engaged, and were far less concentrated. The next step would have been moving another 30,000-45,000 soldiers into South Lebanon and taking control of the region and fighting Hezbollah on guerilla terms. Something I suppose was not wanted and I can see why.